unearthing HP 7 (SPOILER WARNING) - Page 2

ya i hope so tht they are close to what jk r have planned

Originally posted by: sumant

i have got some facts on dumbledore not being dead.....

1) Avada Kadavra: JKR keeps making reference to the fred and george's fake wands and when harry visits them in Diagon Alley, that some of the wands were really advanced. We know that they were manufacturing some of their joke items for actuall Dark defense. perhaps S used a fake wand that flashes green to "off" Dumbleodre. Also, about the levitating. S invented the Levicorpus charm AND its a silent only sort of charm. you would not here him utter it at all. the combo of these to makes S's fake killing of D more plausible.

2) you may say that at D's funeral you see Hagrid caring D's body. Nope, you see a D shape in Hagrids arms wrapped in a cloth. and Maybe if D were in that clothe, maybe he apparated out once his body was incased in that tomb thingy, cuz the can and did remove the no apparate charm to allow students to practice apparating, why couldn't they do that at the time of the funeral?

3)i think D has fooled voldy by pretending to die and will now go for the horcruxes and he wont have his headmasters duty to bother him also..

sorry for referrind dumbledore as 'D'..no offense to his fans...also S is for snape

as much as i'd love to believe that DD's alive...i can't...i feel positively sure that he's dead why?

JKR: "the hero has to go the road alone" meaning wihtout help and she says that she had to kill of DD cuz in her line of story-writing, it just has to happen

Vow: the Unbreakable Vow cannot be fooled...u can't "pretend" to kill somebody to fulfill the vow and have the Vow just not kno..the vow knows that you didn't kill, meaning Snape would have to die

the vow didnot mean that snape has to kill dumbledore....

the vow was that he will help malfoy in accomplishing his task..that was to make the death eaters enter hogwarts and bail him out of dangerous situations...which he did not require to do as malfoy was never in danger as D did not attack him

did u ever thought why D did not attack malfoy...

bcoz he knew that then snape would b forced to keep his vow...

about Dumbledore not being dead, i dont know. looking at it in a literary light, it is, rather, will be, more appealing to see the hero "going the road alone", but considering harry's position, the fact that thoguh he may come of age, he is yet a teenager, and that he is no great wizard, or rather, that his talent at wizardy is due mainly to the intensity of his emotions, or love, than magical talent itself, i dont see how it is going to be possible that he can do this alone... so i really dont know... there are enough and more arguemenst to support each side, so i suppose we're just going to have to debate about this until J.K releases some more clues, or the next book comes out...

[quote=sumant]1) Avada Kadavra: JKR keeps making reference to the fred and george's fake wands and when harry visits them in Diagon Alley, that some of the wands were really advanced. We know that they were manufacturing some of their joke items for actuall Dark defense. perhaps S used a fake wand that flashes green to "off" Dumbleodre. Also, about the levitating. S invented the Levicorpus charm AND its a silent only sort of charm. you would not here him utter it at all. the combo of these to makes S's fake killing of D more plausible.[/quote]

Thats an interesting theory, but I dont think Fred and George's wands are advanced enough to fake Avada Kedavra.

Even if the twins knew how to make them, I doubt they would do so - even they know that such a "joke" would take things too far in such dark times.

If you look at the description of the wands in the HBP - it is said that they ranged from basic ones which turn into toys and more advanced ones which hit someone on the head if you try to use them.

Moreover, you can fake a death, but you cant fool the Unbreakable Vow. Snape is still alive, isn't he? So he must have fulfilled the vow and killed Prof D.

Originally posted by: sumant

the vow didnot mean that snape has to kill dumbledore....

the vow was that he will help malfoy in accomplishing his task..that was to make the death eaters enter hogwarts and bail him out of dangerous situations...which he did not require to do as malfoy was never in danger as D did not attack him

did u ever thought why D did not attack malfoy...

bcoz he knew that then snape would b forced to keep his vow...

Also, Draco's task was to Kill Dumbledore. Hence the cursed necklace and the poisoned Mead which was supposed to reach Prof D.

Narcissa asked Snape to vow that if Draco failed in his task (to assasinate Prof D), Snape would do it for him. Here's the quote:

"And, should it prove necessary ... if it seems Draco will fail ..." whispered Narcissa (Snape's hand twitched within hers, but he did not draw away), "Will you carry out the deed that the Dark Lord has ordered Draco to perform?"...

"I will," said Snape. (HBP, p. 41, Bloomsbury ed.)

well we'll just have to wait for the 7th book ot find out

although its kinda hard to beleive that D's dead

Originally posted by: sumant

the vow didnot mean that snape has to kill dumbledore....

the vow was that he will help malfoy in accomplishing his task..that was to make the death eaters enter hogwarts and bail him out of dangerous situations...which he did not require to do as malfoy was never in danger as D did not attack him

did u ever thought why D did not attack malfoy...

bcoz he knew that then snape would b forced to keep his vow...

the vow meant that if malfoy can't complete his task (killing dumbledore) then snape would do it...so its actually clear that the vow called for him to kill dumbledore