Why are we so shocked?

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Posted: 7 years ago
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Why are we shocked at the recent turn of events?
Itna high expectation rakhte hi kyun ho bhai? Kitne saalon se Indian TV dekh rahe ho? Aajtak kuch different mila hai jo ab milega?😆
When the show started and everyone posted big opinions of Aanchals planning and delberately acting to enter Raichand mansion, I was laughing silently. It was always obvious what the story was going to be.

Maximum I hoped was for Rnaveer being grey, marrying aanchal through deceit and Aanchal ultimately falling in love with her pati parmeshwar. Wouldnt dare ask for more than that in my weirdest dreams😆.

Yes didnt like Ranveer the madcap but will live with it. Their end game is Aanbir and as I have posted several times earlier also that Aanchal will never be shown dumping Ranveer after marriage unless he is shown to be psycho and sadistic. See a husband dumping an unloved wife is different from wife getting out of a marriage which doesn't have love. She can do so only on grounds of abuse as per Indian mentality.

So lo we got it. See instead of complaining we should also realise that its not the producers fault

There is a very famous rule of Company law. Minority might have its say, but majority will have its way.

We are not the majority of tv viewers. We are not even the majority that gives sony its trp. We are just a few hundred online audience and we dont make the production hosue run.

So why should they run around appeasing us? They will produce what they know sells. Whatever experimentation they could afford, they have already done in the mauritius track and result was trps nose diving from 1 to 0.4. So dont blame them if they want the trp audience happy.

Just see what options do they have:

1. The heroine has to be good and whitey white.
2. She has to cry a lot and earn sympathy of the audience
3. There has to be a knight in shining armour.
4. The antagonist has to have a sob story since he is a big star and cant be hated outright.

Now what else can they do within the giving parameters?

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Posted: 7 years ago
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Well that's what the main problem is
If the makers will have such a mentality then we viewers will never be able to watch progressive and new content on TV

If we have to see a positive, high on morality , naive lead falling in love with a brat turned good boy who will fight against villain and unite in the end then why not watch Kumkum bhagya or Kundali Bhagya

At least EK and GUL sell cliches openly and people willingly watch them

Unlike Haasil makers who are the selling the same cliche under the pretence of unique and path breaking

This plot has been shown hundreds of times on TV and movies

There is nothing new, unique , unpredictable or path breaking about this !

Most of the viewers knew that Ranvir will be behind all schemes...what was so unpredictable about this twist !

Yes makers have to keep TRP audience in mind but Sony TRPs itself are not high and their target audience is urban more than rural masses who watch Star, Zee and Colors

Sony had shows like Beyhadh where their main lead heroine was dark ! and that show became immensely popular for a reason

Sony is a channel known for experimental and unique shows then we as viewers expect the same from them

If makers will not experiment then indian TV will forever be regressive

We often blame Ekta for regressive shows but let's take Kyuki serial as an example...Ekta 10 years ago had the guts to show a mother killing his own son and marrying his wife who was in an abusive relation to his other son whom she loved before marriage!

Kyuki had the highest TRP and rural masses loved it !

If 10 years ago EK could have been progressive in a show which was strictly meant for TRP aunties

then Haasil is a new age thriller which is supposed to be for urban masses...I expected them to show something different...somehting out of the box...to stick to their words when they said that all characters are grey and no one is a villain rather than showing the same cliche where antagonist is the obsessive creepy lover whom the main couple have to defeat by hook or crook and unite in the end !

Sigh !
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: anshvi

Well that's what the main problem is

If the makers will have such a mentality then we viewers will never be able to watch progressive and new content on TV

If we have to see a positive, high on morality , naive lead falling in love with a brat turned good boy who will fight against villain and unite in the end then why not watch Kumkum bhagya or Kundali Bhagya

At least EK and GUL sell cliches openly and people willingly watch them

Unlike Haasil makers who are the selling the same cliche under the pretence of unique and path breaking

This plot has been shown hundreds of times on TV and movies

There is nothing new, unique , unpredictable or path breaking about this !

Most of the viewers knew that Ranvir will be behind all schemes...what was so unpredictable about this twist !

Yes makers have to keep TRP audience in mind but Sony TRPs itself are not high and their target audience is urban more than rural masses who watch Star, Zee and Colors

Sony had shows like Beyhadh where their main lead heroine was dark ! and that show became immensely popular for a reason

Sony is a channel known for experimental and unique shows then we as viewers expect the same from them

If makers will not experiment then indian TV will forever be regressive

We often blame Ekta for regressive shows but let's take Kyuki serial as an example...Ekta 10 years ago had the guts to show a mother killing his own son and marrying his wife who was in an abusive relation to his other son whom she loved before marriage!

Kyuki had the highest TRP and rural masses loved it !

If 10 years ago EK could have been progressive in a show which was strictly meant for TRP aunties

then Haasil is a new age thriller which is supposed to be for urban masses...I expected them to show something different...somehting out of the box...to stick to their words when they said that all characters are grey and no one is a villain rather than showing the same cliche where antagonist is the obsessive creepy lover whom the main couple have to defeat by hook or crook and unite in the end !

Sigh !


A business man will say anything to sell his product We always have to take his words with a pinch of salt.

So the producer made tall claims on twitter to hook online viewers. Business strategy i call it.

In fact furst we should all realise that this is strictly business and in business only one thing matters - the bottom line.

He is not burning money for creative satisfaction. He is doing a business to earn his livelihood.

Now coming to sony audience, yes it is urban but still of a higher age group only. I am ashamed to say but yes Indian menatlity is still not very progressive especially when its come to the older generation. They still have double standards for men and women and the makers and the channel have to account for them. Woh bhi kya karein? Sapno aur ideals se pet nahin bharta.

Whatever Ekta also does, she is mindful of indian mentality
Tulsi killing her own son made her almost a goddess because she did it to protect another woman. All over Indianhistory such women are reverred. Ahilya bai holkar being a prime example.

See thecontent will change automatically when public mentality changed. No point in blaming the makers .

we have to accept the fact that it will take a considerable period of time at least 10-15years for a significant change to come in indian tv content.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: _Payalj_


A business man will say anything to sell his product We always have to take his words with a pinch of salt.

So the producer made tall claims on twitter to hook online viewers. Business strategy i call it.

In fact furst we should all realise that this is strictly business and in business only one thing matters - the bottom line.

He is not burning money for creative satisfaction. He is doing a business to earn his livelihood.

Now coming to sony audience, yes it is urban but still of a higher age group only. I am ashamed to say but yes Indian menatlity is still not very progressive especially when its come to the older generation. They still have double standards for men and women and the makers and the channel have to account for them. Woh bhi kya karein? Sapno aur ideals se pet nahin bharta.

Whatever Ekta also does, she is mindful of indian mentality
Tulsi killing her own son made her almost a goddess because she did it to protect another woman. All over Indianhistory such women are reverred. Ahilya bai holkar being a prime example.

See thecontent will change automatically when public mentality changed. No point in blaming the makers .

we have to accept the fact that it will take a considerable period of time at least 10-15years for a significant change to come in indian tv content.


Do u think such a concept will garner TRPs...after all at the end of the day TRPs and content matter and to be frank Haasil is legging in both

Also makers could have used business strategy to promote their cliche content as path breaking but they can't make people hooked to their show...People are bound to leave if they don't find the content that was promised

If a grey character was shown i am sure older generation wouldn't have a problem

If the plot was interesting then I am sure people would have watched

It is not mandatory that people only will accept a cliche predictable plot
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Its not about being shocked ... Its about being Disappointed 😆😆


All Sony shows have love triangle ... The difference is - in one show psycho obsessive lover is ghost , in one it will be a Rajasthani royal (after sometime even he will behave psycho) and in one show it is a Bollywood actor 😆😆



Besides this all shows on other channel have a set fan base and they don't switch channels to watch a new show since they love watching that same show and this is the reason why inspite of having bullshit tracks in some shows you will still find it in TRP topping charts ... Bcz of its loyal audience .. And all such shows have rona dhona , mahan female solving whole world's problem , saas bahu track , kitchen politics , property dispute , an evil character always plotting to make leads and their families life miserable 😆😆 Which majority Sony shows dont have .. They show a strong woman (who sometimes will behave foolish but its ok) , no rona dhona property track , no kitchen politics




Its not that Sony shows have sky rocketing TRP since last so many years + they were catering mostly to younger generation audience .. Except for reality shows like KBC/SD none drama show got TRP above 1.0 and average TRPs were from 0.4 to 1.0 for every show , be it RLHN , EDT , KRPKAB , YUDKBH , Haasil , Beyhad , PPK etc ... Haasil is a finite show so why to tamper with its story and show creepiness ?? What does Sony think that showing all mirch masal , rona dhona the show will top TRP ?? Had'nt they seen the loyal fanbase of other shows on the same slot ?? 😆😆




Ye sab bhi chodo aur koi mujhe ye batao ki why did Zayed , Nikita and Vatsal signed this show ?? They were told the whole story before na that Ranvir will turn into Shaitaan from mahaan and do all sorts of creepiness and Aanchal will just keep on doing patni dharam and Kabir will just be a goody character 😆😆 So why did they sign this show and ruin their hardwork of good acting into this old wine new bottle concept show ?? 😆😆


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Posted: 7 years ago
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@ Anshvi
I am not saying a grey character wouldnt be loved if made good. I too would have loved it as an individual.

But I am not talking about what you or I would like. For the elder audience a guy who steals the love of the guy whose family adopted him is not grey. He is black. So why wouldnt CVs turn him into pure black to get sympthy and emotional connect for Kabir at least?

Has no businessman ever made tall claims in the hope that it will get customers and they might get hooked? Most importantly which mother doesnt feel that her child is different special and extraordinary howsover worthless it might be. For a creative team, the show is their child. Give some scope for natural bias.

Further, It is not mandatory that people would only accept a cliche plot but yes the chances that they would not outright reject it are lesser. Cant hang people for being conservative when they are investing millions.

See I am not saying the show is good. You know my real feelings on the current plot. I also wanted a grey love story of Ranver. What I am requesting is we should also be empathetic towards the producers also.

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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: Pani.Puri


Its not about being shocked ... Its about being Disappointed 😆😆


All Sony shows have love triangle ... The difference is - in one show psycho obsessive lover is ghost , in one it will be a Rajasthani royal (after sometime even he will behave psycho) and in one show it is a Bollywood actor 😆😆



Besides this all shows on other channel have a set fan base and they don't switch channels to watch a new show since they love watching that same show and this is the reason why inspite of having bullshit tracks in some shows you will still find it in TRP topping charts ... Bcz of its loyal audience .. And all such shows have rona dhona , mahan female solving whole world's problem , saas bahu track , kitchen politics , property dispute , an evil character always plotting to make leads and their families life miserable 😆😆 Which majority Sony shows dont have .. They show a strong woman (who sometimes will behave foolish but its ok) , no rona dhona property track , no kitchen politics




Its not that Sony shows have sky rocketing TRP since last so many years + they were catering mostly to younger generation audience .. Except for reality shows like KBC/SD none drama show got TRP above 1.0 and average TRPs were from 0.4 to 1.0 for every show , be it RLHN , EDT , KRPKAB , YUDKBH , Haasil , Beyhad , PPK etc ... Haasil is a finite show so why to tamper with its story and show creepiness ?? What does Sony think that showing all mirch masal , rona dhona the show will top TRP ?? Had'nt they seen the loyal fanbase of other shows on the same slot ?? 😆😆




Ye sab bhi chodo aur koi mujhe ye batao ki why did Zayed , Nikita and Vatsal signed this show ?? They were told the whole story before na that Ranvir will turn into Shaitaan from mahaan and do all sorts of creepiness and Aanchal will just keep on doing patni dharam and Kabir will just be a goody character 😆😆 So why did they sign this show and ruin their hardwork of good acting into this old wine new bottle concept show ?? 😆😆



Even I am disappointed man and agree fully with what you are saying. Its only the hyper shock waves I am talking about😆

We can be disappointed and pragmatic at the same time, right?😆
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: _Payalj_




Even I am disappointed man and agree fully with what you are saying. Its only the hyper shock waves I am talking about😆 This happens when you're promised for suspense thriller and end up seeing psychogiri 😆😆

We can be disappointed and pragmatic at the same time, right?😆 Ofcourse yes 😉😉 But tell me what did ZayNikVat saw in the show or in the character that they agreed for it ?? These 3 are a good name in industry and what do they end up doing ?? One is obsessive , one is good and one will be doing patni dharam 😆😆


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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: _Payalj_

@ Anshvi

I am not saying a grey character wouldnt be loved if made good. I too would have loved it as an individual.

But I am not talking about what you or I would like. For the elder audience a guy who steals the love of the guy whose family adopted him is not grey. He is black. So why wouldnt CVs turn him into pure black to get sympthy and emotional connect for Kabir at least?

Has no businessman ever made tall claims in the hope that it will get customers and they might get hooked? Most importantly which mother doesnt feel that her child is different special and extraordinary howsover worthless it might be. For a creative team, the show is their child. Give some scope for natural bias.

Further, It is not mandatory that people would only accept a cliche plot but yes the chances that they would not outright reject it are lesser. Cant hang people for being conservative when they are investing millions.

See I am not saying the show is good. You know my real feelings on the current plot. I also wanted a grey love story of Ranver. What I am requesting is we should also be empathetic towards the producers also.


No ya..I am not sure that a guy who steals love has to be shown grey...u know people loved Shahrukh in Darr despite him killing an inncent girl

It is just that this has become a mindset of the makers that think only cliches will seen...a love triangle needs a villain and grey had to be psycho obsessive lover.

It is just in the minds of people...then why even make s thriller in the first place if cliches were the way to go

Why not make family drama and openly sell it

Why even attempt to make a thriller and claim that it is different

In this I think Ek Gul are doing a better job who are selling cliches openly...Ekta openly said that she is making cliches for TV and doing experiments on digital platform

See Beyhadh also became popular...there makers didn't show Maya after marrying Arjun became well or Arjun took care of her till the end..if this was the case then that show would have been a normal show and not a dark thriller...So makers did show Arjun leaving Maya after marriage and then re-married Saanjh.. that show had a dark female lead which in itself is unique.

Here whrn makers promised a thriller with grey characters then I expected them to deliver

It's like selling only air in a chip of bags..when we opened the packet there was only air and no chips
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Solutions are simple- never take a producer at face value. Tell me how many 'different' movies and shows have you watched till date? I have watched dozens by now and so the lollypop doesnt work on me anymore.😆

Regarding the trio-

maybe the money was good, maybe the plot sounded different on paper, maybe the channel did some last minute changes, we dont know😆

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