HJ analysis so far: Survival of the fittest? - Page 2

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Posted: 13 years ago
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@sammy

" Lovely post Minu,, fully agree with you..
Categorizing people as good and bad in the serial is annoying.. No person is perfect and no life is perfect..
Ishu likes to dress up (she did dress up mahi too), she loves herself(she loves others too), she has dreams (and ambitions). and she lies(mostly harmless)..
she is categorized as bad and the good is always hidden in the parenthesis, not visible to anyone around her, especially her dadi.. "

well i don't think that anyone has categorized ishu as being the bad girl so far in the show...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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@ bellie, its implicit isn't it -- in fact more than implicit -- in the way they are casting the sisters. Just look at DAdi's reaction to her and at Sahil's dadi'd rejection of her. She did not even give her time to get to know her better or understand her more -- leave alone room to grow.

@ Sammy_dolly,
So true that the layers are buried...you know I noticed that tho Mahi loves Ishu and is very nice to her -- indeed more than nice, still that day when Ishu excitedly dressed her up, Mahi seemed a little bit aloof...like she was having to give in to the childishness of Ishu rather than appreciate that her sister is genuinely happy for her and is doing what she she can do best for her.
Later when she looks at her mom's picture and is missing her (a touching scene), she says if you were here you'd dress me up and so on...I wish she had also shown a bit of love or at least indulgent acknowledgement that Ishu stood in for what her mom would have done...
Sometimes she comes across as a tad superior to others (implicity turning her nose up on the things Ishu likes...including dressing up..). As someone said she, as some of the others, appear pretty patronising most of the time.
In fact I find Ishu and Sahill as the more genuine people in the show!
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Sometimes I doubt Mahi's character too. She goes to the temple when Ishu stays back making excuses. She tells God to forgive Ishu that too loudly so her dadi and the whole public could hear 😆. Ishu at least was honest in saying mujhe bemann mandir nahin jaana and she prayed to God quietly saying sorry - that is between her and God Lolz, she is way more genuine.
Also when Dai asks her to give the bangles. Ishu makes a face but still moves it. But what prevents Mahi from taking it. Bitter memories of Ishu as a child. She did not remember the things Ishu shared with her and the encouragement Ishu gave her as a child.
Yes, Ishu and Sahil are more genuine people in the show. Whatever they are thats what they are!!!
Also Ishu is fighting for what she thinks is hers and nothings wrong. She gets worked up when people encroach her space, which I think will happen with this track as well.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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i dont get it why people can just see what type of person ishu is. today the precap proves my point. who started this misunderstanding in first place? it was ishu. did she ask for details once? no simply jumped to conclusions and also conveyed this misunderstanding to sahil. she is shouting at sahil for playing a game but does she once realize her own mistakes? no. i m with dadi in this case. she wants to defeat mahi well newsflash for her she has never really been able to defeat mahi by herself coz that is what happens why someone lies all the time. she is breaking things without thinking that the same mahi who has supported her all the time cannot do this to her. well i hate her for today's behavior. she crossed all limits.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: vids08

Sometimes I doubt Mahi's character too. She goes to the temple when Ishu stays back making excuses. She tells God to forgive Ishu that too loudly so her dadi and the whole public could hear 😆. Ishu at least was honest in saying mujhe bemann mandir nahin jaana and she prayed to God quietly saying sorry - that is between her and God Lolz, she is way more genuine.

Also when Dai asks her to give the bangles. Ishu makes a face but still moves it. But what prevents Mahi from taking it. Bitter memories of Ishu as a child. She did not remember the things Ishu shared with her and the encouragement Ishu gave her as a child.
Yes, Ishu and Sahil are more genuine people in the show. Whatever they are thats what they are!!!
Also Ishu is fighting for what she thinks is hers and nothings wrong. She gets worked up when people encroach her space, which I think will happen with this track as well.



Well said!

@ John, tthe last two epis show so clearly the extent to which Dadi et all will go to keep Ishu out of Mahi's space. The whole misunderstanding began when Dadi played her little game to prevent Ishu from going to see Sahil's dadi when she visited them...and all the round about ways in which she put a wall around Ishu. How on earth will Ishu think anything other than herself in connection with Sahil's dadi? She is the one that has a past relationship with her and how will she dream that Mahi is somehow involved?

And did Mahi ever complete her sentence that this is the guy's pic is for her?

Ishu is a person given to extremes of temperament -- for whatever reason from the past. So the throwing things is totally understandable. What was hers till now is being taken away from her and she was deliberately kept in the dark about it. Agreed, not everyone would react the way she did, but then that's her. I can understand what she's going through.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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What type of girl is Ishu.
She lies - why she wants to be in two places in right time to do right things?
She pretends to kill herself to get back her love because he is upset with her.
She is a girl who prevents her lover to stay in his limits for physical intimacy, She is a girl who wants to wait for her sister to get married first.
She is a girl who kicked out the alliance that had rejected her sister.
She is a girl who is commited to her lover and has confided in her sister.
She is a Bad girl, okay we like this kind of Bad girl. Even in the whole scenario yesterday in worst of her times, she told her Mom to stay away from the incident and Mahi.
In Ishu's confrontation with Sahil, she never brought her name - she blamed SD which is right. She said SD is playing a game which is rightt!
Yes , she will turn now, because in her mind Mahi does not deserve any loyalty from her. Not once did Mahi say that picture was for her. She did not have time from blushing. And Blushing for a proposal she was going to refuse on grounds of Ishu's status.That too was not discussed in the late night tea party!
SD and the so called sweet Dadi has started an ugly war between the sisters. No body has to sacrifice anything. Sahil was never Mahi's to fight for and Ishu and sahil do not have any reason to part ways. of course except SD's experience and Mahi's " Goodness"
More than DM- SD and the sweet dadi are the girls enemies. Mahi does not even know what has happened, and SD inspite of knowing everything is indulging her. In her widest dream Mahi would not want Sahil to leave Ishu, she very well knows how much Sahil loves Ishu ( she was a witness to the suicide incident)
I find SD repulsive!!! She could not see her Grandson's anguish but was worried about Mahi's missing smile. Well she is experienced!
At worst Ishu is a liar, but she is right to fight for Sahil be it against SD, Mahi or her own Dadi.
She needs Sahil in her life. He is the one who keeps her in line and he is the only one for whom she stops and listens to.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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@minu2011 and vidya

" Ishu is a person given to extremes of temperament -- for whatever reason from the past. So the throwing things is totally understandable."

personally, i can understand why ishu is all like that and respect your sentiment...but what i cannot understand is why that same logic is not applied in judging other characters of the show. Okay, her dadi deliberately kept her out of SD that day, but we all know why she did that right ? did she know that ishu loves sahil whose rishta they were talking about ? she had something evil in her mind against ishu in doing that ?? why some people cannot see the reason here when they can understand ALL THE REASONS behind ishu's behaviour n acts. (hey by " some people " i didn't mean you 2, was just speaking in general😊)

Still, after all this, okay so her dadi prevented her from meeting SD, what prevented ishu from calling her ? when you thought your would be MIL came in to your house and for some reason u couldn't meet her, what would be the first thing you would have done ? and i believe ishu especially should have phoned her coz their previous meeting was totally messed up.

Same thing with Mahi, first and foremost, okay yeah she mentioned her sister as one of her reasons, but she said it totally out of concern for her, and also that was not the only reason she was unwilling for the marriage. How cleverly others are trying to ignore that it is totally amusing. She was also afraid of money because she thought it was responsible for her parents death. Now whether with u agree with her thoughts or not is an altogether different point but it is not that really hard to see the reasons behind her concerns.

And ishu's mom is a total joke. i can bet even mahi would have played a much bigger role in the upbringing of her own daughter.

On a side note- why the like button is not working ? are others also facing the same problem...i am also not able to post anything on the fan-page of heena, earlier i thought it might be a browser problem so i tried posting with another one but still the problem persists😲
Edited by bellie - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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@Bellie
Well I have not found any character praise worthy and I cannot praise someone to please other members.
Mahi is more patronising and dull than nice. She comes out more interfering than concerned and is letting her baggage of past judge all decisions she makes. She wants to know everything about Ishu but at the same time she does not want Ishu to know anything. Sisters are not like that.
Dadi is more biased than kind and also an outright rude woman.She is no rolemodel. She actually reminds me of HL in CCBM.
SD is a stone faced grandmother ( has not changed a single expression since she has walked in, its shocking for a veteran actress - or may be I am blind) who is smothering Mahi keeping her in dark about Sahil's love affair and control freak destroying Sahil's right of choice..
DM is disgusting and she is open about it at least not like Dadi who is repulsive everytime she opens her mouth - its chup kar, she is not getting any applause from me. sorry if its disappointing.
I have criticised Ishu's character when she has lied and manipulated Sahil and may do again when she turns nasty now.
Right now only Ishu and Sahil have displayed different emotions and shades and I like them. Also they are doing a brilliant job of what they have been given. Yes I like them and I am not ashamed to say that.
Also the other reason I like is Sahil knows Ishu and still loves her and Ishu inspite of all her selfish personality loves him to the core.they are doing a great job in the show.
I am not changing my mind unless they show something different just to please somebody.
Bellie there will be disagreements and you cannot force us to change our POV as we are not expecting you to change yours. You are a Mahi Fan be it don't force me to become one. I just don't like the character yet ( maybe I may like her in some other track, when I do I will comment - the way I do) and neither am impressed by the performance. It does not do anything for me.
We are all here for different reasons and have complete right to say what we want within the IF rules. Everything cannot be to everybody's liking.
I would not have bothered to reply your post, had you not addressed it to me.
on your other point:
1. You may not be able to post comment on fan page if you are the last person who put the comment.You will have to wait for someone else to put the comment.
2. Sometimes IF limits number of comments to 1 or 2 per 24 hours. you should get a reason why you cannot post.
3. Like button - beats me - it shows -error in posting your request and sometimes work randomly.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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@Vidya

fair enough Vidya, but just wanna tell you that i never tried to force anyone to like someone, i don't know why you thought that i am forcing you to like mahi. If any of my posts looked like i am imposing my POVs or my likings on others, then it must have come out so totally unintentional.
And one more thing, yes I am a Mahi fan but also of Ishu, and I have been a fan of Ishu before Ishu was Neha Sargam. and though i dont like NS since her indian idol days but that is off-topic.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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@ Bellie
I have written as how I have interpreted. Intentional or not does not bother me. I have said my bit and thats it. Its not that important a subject for drag for rest of my time in the forum.Its really not lifechanging subject for me.
I am going to enjoy Neha on the screen. cya

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