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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: nureat01





With Dushyant, there was just one simple plain bad ass angry look LMAO so true...that's like openly badass...his CONTEMPT towards him is obvious in his eyes, his body language. -

Nur! Wow, contempt is the word - now that makes me think... have we seen contempt in him for Gulaal? I tend to think not. Which sort of goes round in a twisted way to establish that he can't really hate on her. Tell me if I forget a scene with contempt for Gullu? There might have been that I just don't recall off the top of my head...


😆 LMAO love the random punjabi phrase😆...sacchi so true in Kesar's case...saari duniya, saare paase hato as far as he is concerned...sir Gulaal naal matlab hai :P
You're Punjabi too?! 😲 How did I never figure that? 🤔

Very, very Heathcliff in that. How complex but human is it, that his greatest selflessness is born from this deep rooted selfish streak?! His love is probably the most divine, yet most human all at once! Beautifully said, Jzee...and that's a major reason that makes this story so unique too...very very rarely do we see a love that is so human...it's very much larger than life, divine as you said...from another realm of epicness and yet it is so piercingly human...it's got all the shades of grey you can imagine too...

Oh I always think of what Neil said about Kesar being the most human person alive! Can I please get one exclusive human for me?! ☺️ Bhagwaan to nahi maanga, insaan to de do! 😆



WORD! It's SO Karma! She was like a MEGA BRAT for so long...and honestly Vasant could never really TAME the brat either...she didn't mellow much even after she married him...Vasant was too much of a saint for that😆...Gulaal needed someone to give her all that attitude back as you said...see how it feels to be on the receiving end😛😆...and Kesar was the only one who gave as good as he got if not more...ESPECIALLY in her case😆...Kesar toh phir Kesar hi hai as we always say...no one could set her on edge like he could...and for good reason...you never know what's coming in his case😆

OMG yes yes yes! She totally needed a tit for tat in life! I just watched that old episode with Srushti and co. the other day where Vasant in plain pained anguish explains why Nirja is so important for him to find, and how she is making a mockery out of something that means the life of his people and the way she laughs him off 😲 its like a Moses versus Pharoah scene! The Gulaal of then, and the Gulaal of Kesar times are like, polar opposites! 😳 She definitely needed a Kesar brand to fix her! 😆

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Posted: 14 years ago
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And I just noticed your PM avis!!! 😍 These two were so punk! Oh Prem the sarcasm king!!! 🤣
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: alanta

and the further look Kesar gives at thalli, lightens the whole air a bit, It was like "yahan mere dil mein aag jal raha hein and how dare you laugh at me and thalli poor soul😆


Alanta - Kesar is probably regretting making up to her minutes ago, after 'manhandling' her! He's probably asking himself what he was thinking not giving her do ulte haath ke while he was at it 😆 I swear this bimbette stint to Talli's character right after Kesar's return is worse than the Kulli phase even *gag* That little kid Rohan could look his maama in the eye at this point and tell this was not the mood you want to mess with - but Talli, good lord, continues to show her bateesi! 🤢

*Edit*

and a mention of Rohan reminds me how randomly cute I find this shot of Maama-bhanja ☺️


this is just such a cutie shot 😆 - I have no idea why!
Edited by JZephyr - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Your caps are just too good nureat01.You can actually feel what is going on without even watching the vedio.OMG i hope you understand what iam saying
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: JZephyr

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be back to edit in a bit - is Nur around?

ps: 🤣 @ the title

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@ bold bits - word. While the first scene, and then the aur tu scene show Gulaal pushing away her ebbing awareness of undercurrents - once Kesar walks down those stairs - not having bid her choice - and telling her times and things and choices have changed... Gulaal begins to lose her 'ground'. When she sits in the puja, she's had her first blunt - if not rough of roughest - snub from Kesar, and the hesitance is natural. Kesar's death glare in return doesn't help.

I think what's really awesome in this bit is how double edged the sword of Kesar's reaction is! One edge is reserved to cut her - and the other one simultaneously works on him. This is not even a point where he's softening for her - not for a momentary lapse even - but paining her shall ever be the greatest pain he can cause himself. We all talk about how long Gulaal took to realize that being a one man army was not always the right solution - whatever the intention. We talked about how - when the DV finally broke - if she hadn't learned her lesson from being in error with her mass good intentions even now, when would she?! But we rarely talk about how long Kesar took to realize that hurting her would never ebb his pain. That what he was looking for was not revenge, but redemption. Ten years of 'punishing' her, was like living inside a flame - does he gather his lesson? Not really. He takes his own sweet time, comes back and unleashes his wrath on her further still! Only causing his own self all the more agony. Interestingly, he never sits and contemplates how the moments when he relents and actually becomes Kesar for Gulaal are the only moments of peace in his period of turmoil. In his fiery FBs of feeling betrayed more than ever, he remembers the happy quick moments and begrudges them, but he doesn't wonder how easy it is to ease this pain. Not until he's borne his share of brunt from its backfiring anyway!

As you said Reemz - little did she know this was only the beginning. And the extent he goes to, with each advancing injury inflicted on her by him - never ceases to shock her! Its like he hits an all time low, with each new turn! Its hard to blame Gulaal for not understanding his love initially - apart from her own mental block, she does live through an uncharacteristic and unbelievable Kesar bad phase to come to terms so fast! Yes we all rejoiced when Kesar told her - kam ya zada, tere tarazu mein hu main humesha galat - but really, she's had reason for that bias, hasn't she?! Like come on, she was this naive believer in her Kesar's word - who when he told her he'd agreed to marry Talli because baat teri jo thi - she believes him. Just to his word. Despite the mad crazy pondside showdown which precedes this decision minutes ago!

And I ended up deviating tons from the scene of discussion - but my point was, Kesar's reaction to Gulaal's touch, and especially his consequent pulling away from her, is entirely a double edged sword! It cuts in parallel swift strokes, as much of him, as of her!

@bold: *sigh* It's so true! The more pain he tried to give her, the more it deflected back on to him. I remember you saying somewhere how Kesar's anger was more to do with his own mistrust on Gulaal than actually not trusting her. It was as if he was punishing himself (which I think he did right till the end) for letting that faith waver.
Kesar's initial behaviour did set the tone for Gulaal's distance and coldness in the future. She was waiting for 10 years to get her Kesar back but what a rude shock she got so her walls went up even further. If her own Kesar can do this to her then what hope does she have from anyone else? How could she trust his unpredictable nature so easily? We knew what Kesar was going through because we saw his pain unleashed through the letters but all Gulaal saw was someone who changed his attitude towards her within a split second.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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🤗You can sense the icyness (is that a word?!) in the cap even:

He's trying to show his anger but the initial reaction always said something else because her touch effected him more than ever now.
WHAT A BLOODY IDIOT that girl was :|| It makes me laugh now though. I like how this cap kind of portrays their individual personalities. Gulaal being the subdued, closed-up person she was...Kesar the raging fanatic back then and of course Talli being Talli!
LOOOVE this cap! Those subtle changes in her expressions were brilliant!
[quote]I loved how subtly they showed Kesar pulling away here as well...no sudden jerk of the arm or anything...he just pulls back and moves his arm out of her reach...a subtle but powerful sign of rejecting her touch...and Gulaal is quite disturbed
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^Same!! It was very subtle which made it even more painful for Gulaal. She didn't know what was happening whatsoever :(
Thank you so much for the caps Nur as always!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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I'll be back later on but what is this I see?? Nur and Jzee, you're both Mahabharat fans too?? 😃 The BR Chopra version is sooo close to my heart. We used to watch it as kids and now I have the DVD set too! Real epic stuff...!
Alsooo...though I don't have a favourite GK scene (because they're all so damn amazing) but I'm really excited for the analysis/caps for the terrace scene when Kesar grabs Gulaal by mistake. That was the scene which made my heart drop...lol!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: *Reemz*


Big thanks to Jzee for providing us with the HQ videos! Here's the moment when Kesar walks down wearing the red kurta:
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yktbtQriQy0&[/YOUTUBE]
At first I thought Galool was admiring him because she still had that faint smile on her face but it soon turned in to a frown. Loved the double meaning in the dialogues!
G: Why didn't you wear the clothes I chose for you?
Translation: Why don't you approve of Talli whom I chose for you?
K: I didn't like them.
Translation: I don't like your Jhalli Talli.
G: You didn't like them? But you always wore clothes of my choice.
Translation: You don't like Talli? But you always did what I told you to do.
K: That was years ago. Now I choose my likes and dislikes. After staying at boarding school for so many years, I have learnt how to take my own decisions.
Translation: My like is you...my dislike is Talli!!!


I just got back from a horrible trip to the grocery store - I hate doing groceries. For n reasons that I care not to name.

But Reemz - OMG ROFL MUCH 🤣 that dialog translation made up to me so so well! I need to sort the crap I bought now - although 90% goes into the freezer anyway - but I'll be back with more happy expressions to how well you translate that scene! I think you should hence forth do it for all digging GK talks. Fantastic 👏 😆

ps: Yes the BR Chopra version - and me too! I mean, I have the DVD set too!!! Its something, given I'm not a Hindu?! Well - I have long maintained its the best story told, ever. There is no shade of humans - and Gods?! - (literally) which we don't see in one form or the other in this epic. Amazingly complete.

And more on GK in a while 😊
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Posted: 14 years ago
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In Gulaal's case I think it is a reverse case of 'sau sacrifice maaf hain' 🤣 sau ke baad saakshaat bhoot prakat to fix missy Galool 😆

"Sau sacifice maaf hain" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Kesar being Kesuda ko sab maaf hai! 😆

sach mein yaar usse tho sab maaf hai😉

Edited by MR21 - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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OMG yes yes yes! She totally needed a tit for tat in life! I just watched that old episode with Srushti and co. the other day where Vasant in plain pained anguish explains why Nirja is so important for him to find, and how she is making a mockery out of something that means the life of his people and the way she laughs him off 😲 its like a Moses versus Pharoah scene! The Gulaal of then, and the Gulaal of Kesar times are like, polar opposites! 😳 She definitely needed a Kesar brand to fix her! 😆

@Bold: Just loved ur comparison to Moses and Pharoah scene...its the same...good comparison😊...
Edited by MR21 - 14 years ago

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