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Posted: 14 years ago
#71

Nice post Jeez-get well soon.

Yes just a glance would have made the final scene far better. You are soo right about Kesar being the charity case.

I think most of us have the same feeling regarding the last two episodes. The family reunion was so artificial and no one except JK, Reva and MB asked for forgiveness or least shown redemption for what they did? Especially from PB?

Aeryn-I second your word. Well said!

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Posted: 14 years ago
#72
@Jzee, Anjal: Agree with everything you guys said!

You know in most shows this happens...where you can TELL that they didn't put heart into the scene they were doing...I'm not sure if Manasi was having an off day or the writers were or whatever it is...but yesterday I could not understand Gulaal...and the way the scene was written didn't help much...It's not a CONVENIENT on/off switch...the writers should know better...I thought they knew better given all I've seen of their work in this show...you can't suddenly show Kesar WIPED OUT from her mind and then magically thrown in a 'kahaan tha tu' line and think that makes it all ok...no it doesn't...either there was something wrong with the way the scene was shot or the acting or something...but it just didn't flow with the history of these two characters.

And somewhere it's really pinching me that in this brief time that we have left, all Gulaal manages to think of (when she does bother thinking about Kesar) are random FBs from their days in that house...there is sooo much more she can think of that they can show through FBs...Kesar's letters, what he said to her after she read the letters that one day she will have to believe the truth of his love, the way Kesar consoled her after her breakdowns, SO many of Kesar's earnest, heartfelt monologues...SO much...and yet NOTHING...instead we get lame Saru Fui FBs or Gulaal thinking about how Kesar started working for her...such joy.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Okay, I got done watching the episode live - and yes, there was more of G & K and GK and build up in general et al... Maybe its just me but the broken link from yesterday was a gaping hole... the beginning GK scene - which would have been one splendid milestone in this week, was at least mildly damp for me, because I couldn't just connect this Gulaal with the one from Monday and Friday (actually Tuesday too) in it, even today! She was this close to being on the same page with Kesar until Tuesday, then she fell back to square 1 yesterday, and today she just lingering somewhere in an inexplicable and undefined middle... For some reason it just upped the entire Kesar charity case feeling all the more in my head ... but maybe that is just me...

Again - the futuristic dream of Gulaal would have been so so good - so powerful and subtle without drama... but I just think of how dismissive she was of Kesar a night before... and it seems to not fit. She came back from the function and thought of him - she didn't think of him right there and then - its bothering me, even though I wish I could clean yesterday out of my system... Kesar's little scene on the other hand - was THE most singularly touching scene of today, including MB's looking at him...

And Kesar's scene with the family just ends up being second best. His character didn't face the critically wrong drift of an episode - so its quite in flow and link from where it needs to take up. I can imagine MB wanted him to take on the responsibility because it would give him more to do than just wallow away to oblivion - but I have no idea why and how the family even suggested bringing back Gulaal - kar kya re hain yaar ye log?! Kesar refusing to take the mojdi is classic Kesar - he's always taken the toughest task onto him, when it for Gulaal - or at least when she's in it with him, or by his side... this time he has a blank chit... there is no for Gulaal, with Gulaal, or beside Gulaal - and he obviously goes into recluse. Not a right decision objectively, but a very Kesar way of dealing with things... It was amazing I could actually ignore PB in this scene... JK was good - unlike Raman, I can imagine her going 180 to be good. She's always been a more Dushyant case, if not to that extreme... BTW - it additionally bothers me very much, that Kesar continues to be in this bluff respect of Raman - I know I should overlook it, but its just annoying!

Anyway - I posted here to rant, but I'll skip making a post, because most people are likely to have liked the episode much better than me and I'd hate to be a killjoy...
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Posted: 14 years ago
#74
Jzee, you're not being a killjoy...I have the exact same thoughts on the epi...the only scene I genuinely liked was Kesar's scene with MB where he tells them not to keep forcing Gulaal in majboori.

Gulaal's "dream" scene was just blahh and once again NOT convincing...the writers have totally lost the SOUL of GK scenes *sigh*...and this is not a carry over feeling from yesterday...even if I try to view these epis from just today's perspective...it's just not the same...we've gotten such amazing GK moments in the past and this last high point is so important and yet THIS is how they are choosing to show it?? It feels so WATERED DOWN...I'm not feeling any of Gulaal's emotions...they just don't seem CONVINCING to me...it seems more like a case of the script has been written and the characters are just sleep walking through their lines😕😕
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Posted: 14 years ago
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JZee, I hadn't been able to join the discussions earlier in the week, but now i'm more free and will catch up.

But I do have to say I'm sort of more optimistic about the accident now seeing the precap. Because of Gulaal's reaction. It may hit her that she is reacting as she's lost her husband, her other half, her life.

Much of it probably goes to Manasi's acting. Because I was sighing when I saw the accident in the precap. Then we see Gulaal's reaction. And I think I sort of understand now where they're going with this.
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Posted: 14 years ago
#76

Originally posted by: likarsh

JZee, I hadn't been able to join the discussions earlier in the week, but now i'm more free and will catch up.


But I do have to say I'm sort of more optimistic about the accident now seeing the precap. Because of Gulaal's reaction. It may hit her that she is reacting as she's lost her husband, her other half, her life.

Much of it probably goes to Manasi's acting. Because I was sighing when I saw the accident in the precap. Then we see Gulaal's reaction. And I think I sort of understand now where they're going with this.



Her reaction was expected, likarsh...obviously she was going to be hit by the shock in a big way...feeling like she is losing something huge...that's the whole point of throwing in shocking twists like accidents anyways.

But honesty over the last three days, they have killed the FEELINGS that I could sense in Gulaal...I don't find her emotions for Kesar convincing anymore...that CONNECT feels like it's gone.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Exactly, the connect is certainly amiss...

Arshi, like I said above, I would have liked most scenes today - perhaps even quite a lot, if I didn't feel the abrupt fall out in Gulaal herself... The opening scene today was just superficial at some level - which is so uncharacteristic of GK because if this was the Gulaal from Friday/Monday/Tuesday - she may have still taken the second sweet and eaten it - but remember that look in her eyes when she took the flowers, even gave Kesar a smile, but that subtle variation of empathizing melancholy in her eyes at Kesar's tear?! We just lost that nuance to her yesterday - and the opening scene today went on to cement it hence... in consequence, the dream sequence was just abrupt - as abrupt as the dhol scene had been yesterday - there is so much they could have shown and done... used Champa, reminded Gulaal of what her friends said... maybe even brought her back to Kesar's letters somehow... I dunno... we didn't need an accident, or Vasant. And we certainly didn't need this unfeeling gap of a kind, where she just undergoes a 24 hour partial amnesia about her progression in feelings for Kesar!

Dude, the way she reacts to the accident, is Gulaal classic. Taking nothing away from the sequence or Mansi - accident would bring on a response like that... we saw this fear of loss in her last week when kesar was setting on mission uncover murder mystery - and it was immensely moving!

I really really wish we'd gotten this kind of a futuristic dream sequence from Gulaal - a foreboding, minus of yesterday... he reaction thereafter to Rewa telling her... that smile on her face dreaming of happy days with Kesar - it would all make so much sense if it came after say the mandir scene on Friday, or even the pheras ... oh I dunno... I want to just block this out and enjoy GK - but something is amiss. The GK opening scene was just not there for me... and it was mostly about Gulaal - Kesar was what he is... he's on track...
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Posted: 14 years ago
#78

Originally posted by: JZephyr

Exactly, the connect is certainly amiss...


Arshi, like I said above, I would have liked most scenes today - perhaps even quite a lot, if I didn't feel the abrupt fall out in Gulaal herself... The opening scene today was just superficial at some level - which is so uncharacteristic of GK because if this was the Gulaal from Friday/Monday/Tuesday - she may have still taken the second sweet and eaten it - but remember that look in her eyes when she took the flowers, even gave Kesar a smile, but that subtle variation of empathizing melancholy in her eyes at Kesar's tear?! We just lost that nuance to her yesterday - and the opening scene today went on to cement it hence... in consequence, the dream sequence was just abrupt - as abrupt as the dhol scene had been yesterday - there is so much they could have shown and done... used Champa, reminded Gulaal of what her friends said... maybe even brought her back to Kesar's letters somehow... I dunno... we didn't need an accident, or Vasant. And we certainly didn't need this unfeeling gap of a kind, where she just undergoes a 24 hour partial amnesia about her progression in feelings for Kesar! The GK opening scene was just not there for me...

and it was mostly about Gulaal - Kesar was what he is... he's on track...



@bold: Bingo, Jzee...the NUANCES are not there...when there were SO many nuances just till this past Friday and even MONDAY in the phone scene...but what now?? Yes, he gave her the toffees, Gulaal happily chabaaoed them and end of story...where are the emotions in her EYES now?? How can they suddenly disappear?? Is it the direction? Is it the editing? Is it Manasi's acting? I don't know...but definitely the connect is MAJORLY missing from Gulaal's end...Kesar is pretty much exactly like he's always been...all he's saying/doing is in tune with his characterization...Gulaal's emotions/thoughts are being shown patchily...SUPERFICIAL is SO the word, Jzee...I got that sense too.

The dream sequence and her calling out "Kesar Kesar" just felt random to me...so are we to interpret the fact that Gulaal's body clock is off given her late getting up in the morning as a sign of how much seperation from Kesar is affecting her?😕😆...Uhh yeah...not convincing to me to be honest.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Oh, I completely agree on the negative aspects. I would rather it NOT get to this stage of an accident, and also I would rather they NOT have written this accident.

Totally agree about the disconnect from Friday, and even Monday to the last three episodes.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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When I heard PooBaa say those words of how broken Gulaal was, I shockingly found myself in disdain... and it should so not be my reaction, because Gulaal has been in pain, and is this deep profound character and even in her Galool wall out phase when I've wanted to whack her, my heart has gone out to her predicament - it didn't today... I was just thinking, really?! Why is her misery looking so circumstantial and preferential atm?!

Even my simple and innocent mother (as Reemz likes to say, LOL!) when she called me, went - ab Gulaal will bring Kesar back. The family so needs him! - and I'm like thinking, exactly! Yes Gulaal needs him - and we saw how singular that need was becoming, but suddenly its all disappeared and even Gulaal urging Kesar to come back and whatnot starts stemming from the family... Not to mention Vasant ji tapkenge to further the process - sigh! Oh I don't like this week one bit! Finale mein ye kya kiya hai in log ne?!

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