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Posted: 14 years ago
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WARNING: Can't bear to see Gulaal's image being assassinated? STAY AWAY from ma post! It will disturb you and am in no mood to give back cool-headed replies!

JZEE I saw yer prescription too late...Damage was already done!😆


I am disappointed?
Hell yah.
I was expecting Gulaal to melt so soon?
Hell no...I even made a post how the precap looked COLD.
Then if I already had a bad feeling regarding the episode I shudn't be majorly pissed off at the episode coz I expected that sort of an outcome...
Well yeah...but I am!


I already posted sumthing on Srush's post...I'll just add that here and then add more to ma frustration!

I just have one question...

Killing a lyf = getting a chance to start all over again, da blunder not made public, forgiveness to a certain extent

Confessing love = receiving inhumanely rude treatment, being burdened with guilt at watever happens, told not the behave immature and childish, accused of having a "rapist's" thought process, ruining someone's life, committing a "PAAP", not caring about other's "bhavnaein", being cut off and treated like street dawg...

Is that fair?
I never wanted to hit Gulaal under the belt but...today's episode literally jarred watever sympathy and pity I had for her...

Action : Dushyant literally "KILLs" VASANTH...
Person harmed : Vasanth
Verdict : Forgiven and given a second chance

Action : Loving your brother's widow who happens to be older to you and is your wife, Bringing her back to the house against her wishes
Person Harmed : Gulaal...her wishes were trespassed
Verdict : Treated like a flea-stricken puppy who gets to be kicked around


In these two cases...the one major point of difference in...PERSON HARMED...One was Gulaal's VASANTH...second was Gulaal...and the penalty on both accounts vary...

The second one being far more than the first...
LOGICAL REASON...Gulaal is dearer to herself than Vasanth!!!


Now...dun even bother trying to explain me how great Gulaal's love for Vasanth is...and yada yada yada ...
(Quoting Arshad Warsi's dialogue :Tumhara pyar pyar...aur mera pyar SEX? *Pallo did a mild change...replaced ishq with pyar*
"Its PAAP"
"Its CRAP"
Oops u r mistaken "Its AIDS")


If Kesar is immature...PLZ I BEG TO KNOW...FROM WHICH ANGLE IS GULAAL...DA EPITOME OF MATURITY???

A child loves to write.
She has a pen which she treasure above all. But its a one tym use pen...cant be re-filled.
Papa comes and gives her another pen to write.
She refuses that...she will not write with nething but her fav. pen (in which the ink is over incidentally)
Inspite of Papa warning that she'll be punished for not doing homework the child refuses to use a new pen.

I'm sure by now you would have got what I'm getting at...
No am not trying to tell you that Gulaal should immediately accept Kesar and start writing love poems about him in her diary...
I'm trying to put across a point. GULAAL TOO IS IMMATURE

Up for another example?

Someone snatches your fav. doll from you...
U sulk, u fret u avoid the person...and blame them for making u cry

Sounds familiar??
Yeah...That's our very "wow-mature" Gulaal and the doll is her "marzi"


Doesn't sound childish to you? I guess I shud get an appointment for an ear check up...cause it sound superlatively childish to me!


Kesar tends to make everything about himself?
And who ever said Gulaal wasn't the most experienced one in that department?
MY VASANTH
MY promise to him
MY family
MY work
MY marzi
MY wishes
MY forgiveness
MY pure intentions
MY Talli's dreams
MY promise to Sudha Bhabhi
MY feelings
MY choices
ME being blamed
What utter bullshit!!! Where is selflessness gushing forth in ne of these???

Gulaal is not gonna crack netym soon?
Oh firstly whoever is talking abt Gulaal melting totally? (credit our sanity) Most of us know its gonna be a long way to go to get them both laughing and teasing each other or having music amplified eyelocks...
According to me...there is no perfect time for being humane...


Kesar is hurting his loved ones?
Ooo and Gulaal is dying for the nation on da border na? Pushing Talli to do things...overlooking the fact that it may be causing her torment and giving her no healing space (I choose to overlook Talli's outpouring love and claims that she wants to continue loving Kesar)
If Kesar is resorting to "fallen, cheap n degraded" means to get Gulaal to be nice to him...Gulaal is pushing Talli constantly at Kesar...subjecting her to a heartburn in the process of trying to remain immune to Kesar.


If Kesar wants that Gulaal keeps hovering around him...
Excuse Me! Gulaal wants the the whole world to hover around her...Atleast Kesar ain't being greedy...and limiting himself to one person! She doesn't want to be blamed but she doesn't think twice before blaming Kesar for everything...


I'm done...If Gulaal shouts that Kesar is making life miserable and suffocating for her ...She's doing no less to make him miserable...Both are on equal footing according to me...and I REFUSE TO PUT GULAAL on sum PEDESTAL!!!

And yeah...am really taken aback by Kesar's "zidd" that Gulaal feeds him the food...But neither am I buying Gulaal's harshness...

*phew*

Now everything is out...I just wanna say...Good Bye...I'll be packing off to the hostel on Sunday and will re-surface only after 2 months...and by then I guess Gulsar will be together...or they show may have wrapped up. It was nyc interacting u all...
Am glad I got a thread to vent out whatever I thought.
Take Care...
Will try to watch tonite's episode...but if it gets tooo depressing am not gonna bother coming here...coz I kno I can be effin' rude when I get mad at things.

Edited by livelygal - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: JZephyr

You and I shall open our very own exclusive Sudha Hate Club! I can already think of what I want to write in a hate mail to the woman 😆



LMAO! Exclusive Sudha Hate Club eh?! Where do I sign up?! 🤣



Coming to today.. I didn't find the episode that bad personally. But then I am not really pissed at/frustrated with Gulaal's behavior YET.. So that might be it.. 😳😆

Originally posted by: JZephyr



1) The last scene between Dushy and Raman was like an indication of the remaining dark chapter to create chaos soon enough. No one knows what Gulaal knows, because even though Kesar knows the fact - he sure isn't privy to every gory detail (including her self justified reasons of forgiving Dushyant) of the matter. I wonder, just wonder, if the resurfacing of this issue can bring back the fire in Kesar, which he had returned with from a decade at the boarding? God knows he can do with some of that avatar just now. I'm so miffed with his giving in left right center to Gulaal - that I can actually imagine the treat it will be to watch him play rough and cold with her again. I suppose the snappy Kesar does after all deal with Gulaal much better (not to mention effectively) than the sappy one.

I think it would be pretty interesting to watch the tables turn, because the tables WILL turn if Kesar goes back to his intial return-from-boarding avatar. Gulaal and Kesar always play off of each other - when one's being stubborn, the other one sort of gives in and vice versa.. They both compliment each other so well because while they both instinctively FIT with each other with respect to their temperament and behavior.. Even the way they fight with each other is pretty exclusive to THEM alone. So yeah, if Kesar does go back to being a bit snappy.. maybe Gulaal will back off a bit..? Or maybe if he withdraws a bit more, she'd be the one who'd actively seek his company and in the process notice the things that she's since been turning a blind eye too i.e. Kesar's constant attempts at making her happy..? But all that's depended on ifI that happens.. Aur abhi toh I can't say either way.. 😆


2) In a single sentence today, she let the man off every hook - aap khud ko doshi mat thehraiye!

I don't think that Gulaal's ever going to forgive Dushyant for what he's taken away from her.. She's always maintained that and I feel that's just an understood fact of the show. What I do think is that her lashing out at Kesar wasn't so much her need to be little him than it was to vent.. And he's really the only one she feels comfortable around to do so.. He is HER Kesar.. One she can talk to without pretense and be just what she wants around him without having to worry about his judgement. I mean she smacked the man silly when he told him that he loved her and the very next time she met him, there was NO awkwardness.. Barey haq sey she goes ahead and tells him what she thinks - k he's mistaken and just ATTACHED to her. Toh really, I feel that her telling Dushyant that he isn't responsible was her "politically correct" mahan-wali side surfacing. What she really feels and how much she really hates it has already been vented about in front of her Kesar earlier.. 🤔 But that's really just me and I may be entirely wrong here.. 😆

3) Here's one last shot. Anyone think that if Kesar just gave up - in every sense - and told her he had set her free, and she could go back, or live in the house, or be wherever she wanted, however she wanted without feeling obligated to Panchayat's decision, or for him - it would work? Perhaps - just perhaps, he will give up and propose calling the deeyarvattu off. Anyone think that will work? I don't how though. But still - at this point, her life is in a billion tangles because of his one zidd she presumes. If he did set her free - question is, what next for her? She can't be in that house, she might go back to her own - but what's the point .. she won't really know what next. Because last time she left the house - she had an aim - the aim was to avoid Kesar. What now?! It's like the time she told Kesar she had lost, and that she gave up and wo do nothing, and accepted all her decisions and whatnot was wrong, and that he could have his way - she would walk out, and leave his life in peace. Kesar's dilemma had been the same. He realized, he won his debate - but he didn't know what next. He didn't know what he had been fighting the debate for. It's exactly Gulaal's current predicament. She's fighting with Kesar every moment, to prove her point - but if he truly accepts defeat and backs off, does she know what she will do ahead? Does she even know why she's fighting him in the first place? To bring her back to this house? Which btw, is all she has to her life? It's not anybody's but Gulaal's own doing that she has no life or existence outside of this family and the house. Kesar has fought with her, and the world, to give it back to her, with due rights. What will she do when she beats him at it, loses what he gave her in the wake? It's one of the biggest questions she hasn't dealt with - among a billion others. But well.

Ooo! Would I love to see this! I mean I'm sure Kesar is currently not at the end of his rope so to speak.. He hasn't yet contemplated just letting her live her life her way (whatever way she thinks she wants to live, because apparently in the house isn't it..).. But if he does get to that point where he decides that she really truly is not happy here, I don't think he'd show any hesitation in letting her go.. But as long as he's sure that he can make her happy.. That this deeyarvatu and her consequent stay in the house can provide her with the life she's since neglected.. As long as that happens, I don't think Kesar's going to let even Gulaal stand in the way of his wanting to do what's best for her..

Edited by -Fivr- - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: nureat01

I toh actually see full chances of Dushyant and Talli...I'm a total DULLI phangurl😛😆...it would be awesome! haha




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Posted: 14 years ago
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Whoaaa - we're still discussing on this thread?!

*runs to grab a quick bite before returning to give out some slept over the situation gyaan herself*


ps: My adviser isn't going to freak out if he knows this is the first thing I come check on my office system at 8 bloody AM!


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Posted: 14 years ago
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Okay back *mumbles grumbles* the vending machine didn't have my stuff today, I had to go to the next building, then the next - sigh. Day in the life of a Grad.

Anyway - So I actually went back and read all the discussing that happened here after me - which was all the way back to page 5 (although IF kindly stopped allowing me to like posts after a while - but we've had interesting points raised!)

I'm afraid I have to say I'm still not entirely on team Gulaal - I can never be entirely on either of the teams, because they both find fantastic fall outs to not be supported.

I have personally not asked for or expected Gulaal to mellow down s soon at all - because like I said another place, contrary to the time that Gulaal was sick on bed and Kesar already had cracks in his hard surface - Gulaal has shown none so far. Which is actually an interesting hold back from the CVs. From the day of Kesar's return, we've had an insight on his outward and inward flow of thoughts. It has made easier for the audience to relate even to his cold shoulder treatment towards Gulaal at that point. We haven't really had (so far) one moment of Gulaal thinking out loud or mentally introspecting in a way to give us a glimpse of exactly what she's thinking - so technically, we're only a little better off than Kesar trying to side guess. If we talk purely in terms of FBs, Kesar had his Durgesh-Gulaal-Dushyant scene to remind him of hate; Gulaal has the rain time confession and follow up tantrums.

I think a huge difference between these two situations also is, that in Kesar's turn of holding grudge, we always saw this other side of him, which was battling inside and couldn't but be regularly swayed by the benefit of doubt- that could his Gulaal really have betrayed? Somewhere, he was always banking on asking his questions, and getting answers from her which would make sense and put everything back on track.
In Gulaal's case - she is shown to have held Kesar in the downright wrong spot. She isn't giving him benefit of doubt, and even when she keeps repeating about his lagaav it's more in the laming sense, than in redeeming. If she has some inside of head or heart benefit of doubt (As we all believe she should - because deep deep down how can she not know her Kesar would never be bidding so high on selfish lust?) it has not been shown to us. So we don't really know what's cooking in tat head of hers. To add to the counter circumstance - she finds all the ways to be cold to Kesar - which for a second we could still bear; but then she also repeatedly resorts to bringing Talli on scene - that is friggin' unacceptable now! And somewhere, like Nur said, after what Sudha told her yesterday (remember it was Sudha and not JK, and Gulaal is still guilty on that front within herself, so that's not a person she's answering back to!) she has not really given up on her Talli do this and Talli do that ways. Who can blame Talli - we never really thought her smart :|

So conclusively, Gulaal hasn't given us much ground to understand her - it's easy to misunderstand. Kesar has gone out and indulged in some ridiculous mending actions (including precap for today) and that has gone the mile for now, to turn some favor for Gulaal - but she herself, not really.

Coming to the second major point of discussion: Scope of GK over the Dushyant Raman scene yesterday.

Perhaps I'm the only one to thin or say this - but I really hoped to see something on Gulaal's introspecting front before a circumstance as big and dire as that put GK on a common pedestal. Personally, I'm just not thrilled by the idea of watching Kesar pull off a knight in the armor act over Gulaal the damsel in distress in this precise current set of dynamics that exists between them. I don't want Gulaal to start seeing Kesar in a new light because he gets a chance to save her, or support her when no one else is... I want at least one scene of thoughts from her, if nothing more, before all that showdown, where Gulaal deep down believes Kesar is that. That without her falling into this mess, she is shown to revisit and sort some thoughts and even if grudgingly admit that Kesar would, no matter what, always be on her side, as her kavachh, and that even if she continues to deem his love or ways out of line, she has a moment of thought where she credits at least his intention - if only to herself. Really, I just want something of a ground on those lines, before the showdown. Somewhere we need a sequence which shows that Gulaal is not just putting down all off Kesar's current drastic (And wrong) or purely sacrificing gestures for her as a penance for forcing her to come back, but begins to see them as what he's doing because he really wants to see her happy - at any cost - even if he's managing to do just the opposite. I don't mind if this scene is where Gulaal is only getting angrier at Kesar for being a fool and messing up things beyond repair - but I want her to acknowledge what he's doing is for her, not for himself - wrong and right.

Btw, on a completely unrelated note - Does JK know Dushyant was the one to finish off Vasant? If not, I can't wait to watch that revelation dawning upon her. What an epic showdown that would be. I can almost here Raman go well done brother inside his head 😆 But anyway... that's for another time.


Edited by JZephyr - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Oh did I forget to add? Hail the thought of Dulli - what a divine intervention of resolve that would be! 😆

They shall be my second favorite couple on the show hence! 😆
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Posted: 14 years ago
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I started writing few points then I noticed I had no company. So left half way. Now that JZee is here, let me take a quick Chai break and be right back.
Btw JZee, when do you sleep?? Just curious.
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That's a good question Ganga - I survive on very little 😆

Usually I sleep from 2-6AM... but somedays are not so generous. I like night time to work; and there is no way I can make up for it through the day. So I just resort to endless amounts of caffeine in every form 😳

And yayyy! I have a partner to discuss - let's get it on! I thought I was alone too, after I was done posting...
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Nope JK doesnt know anything about the murder of Vasant or who was involved
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Great, I am night owl. I can't wake up in the morning. I can survive without sleep for a continued three days straight. But once I sleep, it is Kumbakarna female version. But when it is absolutely necessary, I do wake up. I have never missed my flight till now on any trip. Caffeine is bad. That is why I survive on Chai. that is addiction too, but still, better than caffeine in any form. Today being my weekend off, I have been lazing around.
So with that intro, here is what might be cooking up in GALOOL"S head.

She loved him most. I would want to say she still loves him most.

I dont justify Gulaal. This is a disclaimer.

I do feel that Gulaal loves Kesar, more than she would ever show(Thanks to Lennie for this).

I won't discuss about her intentions for Deeyarvatu and all that. It has been discussed time and again.

My reasons to say she loves Kesar.

1. The mango orchard scene where she gets conscious of Kesar looking at her in awe of her beauty. If she did not understand or analyse his behavior, she would have not got conscious.

2. Each time she pulls up her Pallu in front of him is her sub conscious acceptance that he is after all her husband. She might not be doing it consciously.

3.The time when Kesar asked why she named Dushyant as Village head, she was too quick to ask him if he had issues that Dushyant was considered(hinting at jealousy on his part) or because she did not do what he wanted( wife against her husband issue). She knew very well about his possessiveness.

4.The Chunar scene is just a quick reference but we may dismiss that saying she was just feeling bad about something Kesar brought for her and could not keep it, also the imli scene.

But more than all this, what makes me think that Gulaal indeed loves Kesar is, though she may or may not be actually aware of it herself,

During the entire panchayat scene, she gave a briefing about the circumstances of the Deeyarvatu and started on straight from her decision to get him married when he grows up. She mentioned it was the right time now that Kesar gets married to a girl his age and settle in life. An easy way to prove her point could have been to add that she did not believe in this "compromise wedding" and that SHE DID NOT HAVE SUCH FEELINGS to remain in this marriage. She never once said that.

Later at the mandir, when he asked why she is not returning home she said hesitantly, I felt she said hesitantly that she did not have any such feelings for him in her mind. But this comes after his love confession. When she went to break the marriage, he had not yet confessed. So it did not occur to her that she could use that point. Because she did not think on those terms or dwell on her own feelings. Had she been clear about not having feelings, she would have told that during the panchayat scene. She did not.

I feel somewhere subconsciously she too feels and believes in this marriage, she anyway loves him, HER KESAR in her own way. She may be denying her feelings (as in like that of a wife) and using the word "SIN" because she feels by feeling for another, she is betraying Vasant and his memories. She has been cheering his wedding and all for quite a while, so this acceptance mode will not be quick. And moreover, she feels it is the right thing for Kesar to have a young partner in his life rather than (according to her), a wife 10 years his senior. I think she feels it would be unfair to him to not give him the chance to have a young wife. Dushyant mentioned that had he not been bound to this marriage, he would have, like any other youngster got the opportunity to choose a girl his age. I think that has made her guiltier that because of her decision, he has been denied that chance.

First, she has to gain courage to acknowledge her own feelings for him. Then comes the time to acknowledge in front of family. When Kesar did that so conveniently, confessing to her, she was shocked. When he did that again in front of family, she could not face them anymore. She was more annoyed that the matter has ended up this way and probably she blames herself like she told Talli, he developed these feelings by being close to me, so let me stay away. That is what she was doing. She wants to deny her feelings by staying away and chanting Vasant Mantra is just is a safety measure to curb her thought process. In olden days, widows used to be forced to do prayers for a long time. Why? So that their mind does not sway towards any pleasures in life. Here madam is imposing that restriction on herself. It is not chanting Gods name. She uses Vasant as a cover up.

It is just my opinion; I may be 100% wrong. Still, it was fun thinking on these terms.

Edited by MeySimi - 14 years ago

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