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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: *Reemz*

I'm very confused at the moment. How so?


I know a lot of people feel that Gulaal doesn't deserve Kesar but she hasn't done anything to give him any hints that she is in love with him. It's not about who deserves whom. She has her right to love whoever she wants, you cannot force her. I still cant believe ppl would say that - why lol, esp as that dont make sense to me, you know if i think about it i dont think i would give Kesar to anyone seeing the state he is in, he isnt settled and he isnt normal by any means lol, and he isnt an ideal person for anyone at the moment
I so agree, she hasnt done anything to give any hints to Kesar, and like you say its not about who deserves who, is that how relationship and love is measured - i dont think so
Gulaal is a woman, that any man would be lucky to have esp the Gulaal we have seen before life took such a turn that it taken everything from her, the woman is compassionate, selfless, loving and so on... (strength is what i see in Gulaal in everything she is endured but also fragile in the sense if she loses her walls and her machine), but right now things are hard, lost, numbed i guess and she is so closed off, and so routined that you cant switch it off and feel something you cant, and as you say you cant force her, and she can love whoever she wants and today its Vasant, will always be Vasant... and even though we know she loves Kesar definately not the kind of love he has for her

On the other hand, Kesar can't give her too much time and space either. Not right now anyway. The dude has tried all methods and if he left Gulaal then there would be no progress in the story because she isn't suddenly going to say 'Ooo I think I love Kesar, I miss him going pagal over me' 😛 Not gonna happen...not for a long time. Yeah i somewhat agree, but if he carries on the way he is, he is just making it worse lol, and he did today didnt he

By hook or crook from the narrative's POV, she needs to get back in to the house. And like i said, it has to be her choice, her decision whichever reason it has for her to come back

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Lennie

What a contrast on how Kesar is with D and Raman, we saw it again - he will listen to anything Raman will say and with respect and with D who is giving him a proper advice to give time and space, he doesnt want to listen at all and will do things his way.

Aah yes. I was thinking about that - the contrast between Kesar-Dushi scene yesterday and Kesar-Raman scene today. Its more than a little disturbing to me, that Kesar finds his rare and only confidante in Raman atm - and honestly, if he was a little more straight in his head just now, he would find himself wondering about it too. Then again, he's just a boy in love. With no one to understand or explain things to him much less support his cause. I would have thought him to soften just a tad towards Dushi though, after that instance of convincing Kesar to return when he was running away from home (just before Vatt Savitri vrat) and then again to side up in the Panchyat decision in his favor. Seems like not. I suppose the entire deal of Dushyant having been responsible for Vasant's death shall always keep him in the bad with Kesar - until the time that matter comes in the open and someone (read: Gulaal) gives Kesar some answers. But that's for another time. Just now, its sad that he should have Raman for and adviser and hate on Dushyant, sigh!

By the way was Kesar writing Gulaal on his notepad?? 😆 Yeh he was. It was like the CVs wanted to remind us, and him, of the fact that he will remain baby of the house no matter what! 😆
Gulaal got a shocker and so did Paanbha when Raman in his way tells them, that this is what he heard outside when it was clearly him who showed Kesar the way, and like Paanbha why doesnt Kesar talk to us and in taking this big decision, i got to admit whenever Kesar takes a decision he doesnt seem to talk to his elders as such esp as he is Motabha's son and some decisions and things he does are pretty out there that the villagers get to see and know about... so no wonder ppl somewhat blame him and call him nasamjh and so on, coz this is what it looks to other ppl and so on, whilst we know what is happening and see his pov but to other ppl its not like that is it and also how ppl are viewing Kesar, and also seems like he is not honoring Motabha in a way, which few ppl have told him

Okay so honestly I'm more than a little offended by what PaanBaa said about Kesar never consulting his elders. Like seriously! If Motabha had said the same - I'd give him credit for the count few but powerful eye opening conversations he has had with Kesar - father to son. As far as PB is concerned - she might as well be an inconsequential wall in the house. Really! She had the biggest brightest chance of all to explain Gulaal's predicament to Kesar, the night he asked her his questions as a woman, and not as his mother - she disappointed him, failed him, and honestly, a different approach and more candid answers from her at that point - woman to boy or mother to son - would have gone a long way in saving Kesar the agony of some recent impulsive reckless things he has resorted to. She is no one to expect him to come and share his troubles with her, because honestly when he did, that one time that she could have worked a miracle - she let him down big time. He has no reason to imagine anyone in that huge house has any semblance of understanding his position, and frankly, that is their shortcoming as his elders, not his. Gulaal always did, and always shall have the advantage of a very sensible father. I wish and hope MotaBha will prod Kesar more... it always seems to be a good idea!

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Posted: 14 years ago
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I dont think anyone expected him to take a quite big decision and not consult them and going to sarpanch.. was what Paanbha was asking for, but yeah like you say she could of at that time said to Kesar about Gulaal's life and predicament, seeing we saw Kesar ask her a question like that, i wonder why they left it open, and but at the same time i do find that what Kesar asked in his simple questions, no one can give a proper answer well not a simple one
Anyways we know now where the sarpanch idea came from... not something Kesar thought of or doing
Kesar will always be vary of D, anyone would be - but D did give him good advice and proper advice that actually made sense given the situation and the time as well, because i think anyone would of said what D said to him, coz its a typical advice and answer
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Posted: 14 years ago
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nice post & analysis I can say again👏👏👏
As I said in some other thread, Kesar was misleaded today by Raman. he easily fall into his trap. I know he is young & his mental state is unstable. He refused to see the woman for 10 years. after he returnd he tried his very best to hurt her, insult her, torture her. but he failed. So finally after ending of all confussion he surrendered to his lady love. But she left him istantly after the confession. He is too much obssessd with this feelings now that he dosnt bother to remember the Vasant's death case. All he wants is his love in front of his eyes. He didnt demand any husband right over her like spend conjugal life. Only thing he want now is she should be in front of his eyes. He dont know what is the future. Gulal is denying the hubby-wify relation but he is claiming her to come back. He is obssesd with his newly found or realized love feelings. So he is falling in trap easily. Also today he did another mistake in my POV. he ran away when JK was badmouthing Gulal infront of her father. calling her widow, elder woman & such stuff will certainly hurt a father. Kesar should protest right away. but he ran away from the situation. If he raised his voice that time infront of Gulal's father, then Revji would gave a second thought that Kesar honor her daughter( which he does we all know it) but sometimes its necessary to speak up maturly. He took a a very bold decission & he has to live with it rest of his life. evil lives in society & they will certainly always point finger at Gulal's age & widow factor. He should lear to b the sheild for Gulal.
On the other hand, Gulal needs time. 10 years Kesar avoided her. after his return he ignord her & did many stuff. She is still considering him as the boy whom she sent to hostel 10 years back. This miscommunication kept her dark about his feelings that Kesar always thinks gulal is his wife. This 10 years she prepared a girl for Kesar & throw herself behind walls where there is no light of life. So now all of a sudden when she knew a man is loving her since these years she is lil shocked offcourse. coz in these lonely 10 years she grabed Vasants memory more forcefully as her aim of living. So now after knowing the truth she need some time & distance. Thats what her father is offering her now. Surely Gulal will miss kesar if he dont show up. but she is not getting the chance to think of him. before that Kesar appears & she went back to her denial.
So I hope this decision of Revji bhai will b eye opener for both Kesar & gulal.😛
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: shadowstreet

nice post & analysis I can say again👏👏👏

As I said in some other thread, Kesar was misleaded today by Raman. he easily fall into his trap. I know he is young & his mental state is unstable. He refused to see the woman for 10 years. after he returnd he tried his very best to hurt her, insult her, torture her. but he failed. So finally after ending of all confussion he surrendered to his lady love. But she left him istantly after the confession. He is too much obssessd with this feelings now that he dosnt bother to remember the Vasant's death case. All he wants is his love in front of his eyes. He didnt demand any husband right over her like spend conjugal life. Only thing he want now is she should be in front of his eyes. He dont know what is the future. Gulal is denying the hubby-wify relation but he is claiming her to come back. He is obssesd with his newly found or realized love feelings. So he is falling in trap easily. Also today he did another mistake in my POV. he ran away when JK was badmouthing Gulal infront of her father. calling her widow, elder woman & such stuff will certainly hurt a father. Kesar should protest right away. but he ran away from the situation. If he raised his voice that time infront of Gulal's father, then Revji would gave a second thought that Kesar honor her daughter( which he does we all know it) but sometimes its necessary to speak up maturly. He took a a very bold decission & he has to live with it rest of his life. evil lives in society & they will certainly always point finger at Gulal's age & widow factor. He should lear to b the sheild for Gulal.
On the other hand, Gulal needs time. 10 years Kesar avoided her. after his return he ignord her & did many stuff. She is still considering him as the boy whom she sent to hostel 10 years back. This miscommunication kept her dark about his feelings that Kesar always thinks gulal is his wife. This 10 years she prepared a girl for Kesar & throw herself behind walls where there is no light of life. So now all of a sudden when she knew a man is loving her since these years she is lil shocked offcourse. coz in these lonely 10 years she grabed Vasants memory more forcefully as her aim of living. So now after knowing the truth she need some time & distance. Thats what her father is offering her now. Surely Gulal will miss kesar if he dont show up. but she is not getting the chance to think of him. before that Kesar appears & she went back to her denial.
So I hope this decision of Revji bhai will b eye opener for both Kesar & gulal.😛

Thanks 😊
The thing that got to Kesar was when Raman said this is probably your only option left and you saw Kesar eager to know and so on, and Raman has a way with words that make you think and then he left it in Kesar's hand... knowing that Kesar will take the bait and he did, coz remember Raman said this is an option, his only option - and you even saw that Kesar was determined when he was making a complaint but also not 100% comfortable with it, his driving force is just Gulaal and get her home, so he didnt think of any consequences and so on, and no wonder it backfired and badly if we say so
Like you say i was hoping he would of sticked up for Gulaal when JK goes off on one, i know JK says things that are right and in balck and white, but sometimes her way of speaking is too harsh and no wonder Revji anger rose esp when she was saying stuff about how Gulaal should be greateful, there was no need for that and yeah Kesar should of said something but then again we saw he couldnt handle it, he's never been able to handle Gulaal's name, and tears filled his eyes and you feel he has to be strong in so many ways
Her father was offering everything that Kesar should of been offering, time, space and patience knowing full well that its hard for Gulaal coz Kesar should know why she has backed away and why for her what he has confessed is so big and huge to her, she feels lets say violated... something she cant get past right now, that each time he says he wants her and loves her, she just shuts him down in a way, and she shuts herself down even more
Kesar i know wants her home, and so on - but the way he is going about it, is not right, esp the way he is behaving in himself mostly and how it comes across to her and other ppl as well, now that Revji bhai gave him hopefully food for thought he will think about it... and raise up to the challenge someway
All in all both Kesar and Gulaal are alone by themselves
As for Gulaal, the only way she will be back is by HER own choice and decision, whatever the reason might be
Edited by Lennie - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: *Reemz*

I'm very confused at the moment.


I know a lot of people feel that Gulaal doesn't deserve Kesar but she hasn't done anything to give him any hints that she is in love with him. It's not about who deserves whom. She has her right to love whoever she wants, you cannot force her.

On the other hand, Kesar can't give her too much time and space either. Not right now anyway. The dude has tried all methods and if he left Gulaal then there would be no progress in the story because she isn't suddenly going to say 'Ooo I think I love Kesar, I miss him going pagal over me' 😛 Not gonna happen...not for a long time.

By hook or crook from the narrative's POV, she needs to get back in to the house.


@ Bold...hahahah Reema...I wonder what will the story line turn into if we were to ever see this scene 😆..Kesuda would run and complain to Dushy that 'I want my slapping Gulaal back...you promised me my wife not this maniac'😆
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Posted: 14 years ago
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@ Bold...JZ...LOL...I just said the other day that the woman has Cotton wool stuffed in her brain😆
Bt seriously she is one illiterate woman, and having absolutely no practical sense..typical village woman who gets married, has children and becomes old and that is it...
And that is why JK was right when she says that Kesar is PB's son but JK knows more about him...
The second reason also being..and ofcourse the most imp one...Gulaal had taken over Kesar...and especially after Vasant's death...Kes-Gul were an inseparable thing..Like Kesar said...Gulaal's whole world revolved around Kesar...and so PB had given up the responsibility and now with this going haywire and with no Gullu to take decisions...she is equally lost...
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Posted: 14 years ago
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I am a little confused about Raman's intentions...he dislikes Gulaal and Kesar so why is he helping Kesar in bringing Gulaal back? I know he is not really helping...because his advice to Kesar about going to the panchayat has made matters worse BUT why is he helping at all? If he hates Gulaal and Kesar so much, this situation is perfect for him right? Kesar is unhappy...practically on the verge of a breakdown and Gulaal has left the house...so for Raman it should the two birds one stone scenario right?

JK has her motives because she knows Dush will never settle down till Gulaal is completely attached to Kesar...but Raman has no such motives. He just wants to see Gulaal and Kesar miserable...which is the case right now...so why would he give Kesar any advice at all on how to bring her back? Raman is like a trouble making woman just loitering around the house!!

I really wish Kesar would be stronger in that sense. I hate the way anyone can come and make him believe anything. I don't like the fact that he tends to believe people so easily...but then again I suppose he is extremely confused and innocent in that way.

PB needs to be much stronger as well! When Sudha was cursing Kesar I wish PB would have snatched that nivaalaa and stuffed it right back in Sudha's ears!! That would have shut her up!! How can you just stand there while someone is cursing your son's life?? 😡😡😡
Edited by Anjalg - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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@Lennie
Words like this will make GULAAL go back .
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Anjalg

I am a little confused about Raman's intentions...he dislikes Gulaal and Kesar so why is he helping Kesar in bringing Gulaal back? I know he is not really helping...because his advice to Kesar about going to the panchayat has made matters worse BUT why is he helping at all? If he hates Gulaal and Kesar so much, this situation is perfect for him right? Kesar is unhappy...practically on the verge of a breakdown and Gulaal has left the house...so for Raman it should the two birds one stone scenario right? All i can say at the moment, Raman seems to cause any sort of trouble that will lead to friction, and this is what it has, and i think he knows full well that Gulaal just will not come home and so on, and involving the panchayant will just make it worse and it has, anything to stir up trouble it seems for Raman

JK has her motives because she knows Dush will never settle down till Gulaal is completely attached to Kesar...but Raman has no such motives. He just wants to see Gulaal and Kesar miserable...which is the case right now...so why would he give Kesar any advice at all on how to bring her back? Raman is like a trouble making woman just loitering around the house!! Thats what it seems, and yeah he doesnt like Gulaal much coz of what happened in the past and so on, coz Gulaal was the one who exposed him to the family with him stealing from the factory and so on



I really wish Kesar would be stronger in that sense. I hate the way anyone can come and make him believe anything. I don't like the fact that he tends to believe people so easily...but then again I suppose he is extremely confused and innocent in that way. He just needs to settle down, its something he is not doing, the more he does what he does, it all comes across wrong and desperate. Right now all he wants is for her to come home, but hopefully Revji baapji gave him a eye-opener, that i hope he thinks about

PB needs to be much stronger as well! When Sudha was cursing Kesar I wish PB would have snatched that nivaalaa and stuffed it right back in Sudha's ears!! That would have shut her up!! How can you just stand there while someone is cursing your son's life?? 😡😡😡 Sudha is being so petty, i couldnt believe it about the food, if she can be petty about that, then i am not surprised what else come out of her mouth

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