Do we have to 'label' relationships?

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Posted: 14 years ago
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After all the controversy recently in the forum, it just makes me wonder if we've actually progressed in our thinking at all. Don't get me wrong, even I think a young woman marrying a child is unacceptable in general circumstances yet I found Gulaal and Kesar's story admirable. Why is it that we have to label their relationship? Does an older woman HAVE TO be a motherly figure to a child? Can they just not be friends who share a deep bond? Does it automatically become paedophilia if the two concerned people do not share a 'mother-son' or sibling type relationship? Its amazing how some of us automatically say 'Oh but look at the age difference, shes a grown up and he's a kid i.e. shes like his mum', why do we automatically put a parenting/sibling tag on it?. Why can't they just share a pure relationship without having any other intention to it? What's the difference between us and those regressive opinions who think a man and woman can never be friends. Sure it becomes a more sensitive topic when it involves an infant but no-one is talking about anything sexual here :\ It's about two people who are there to protect and basically be there for each other. Gulaal wanted to stay back so she could protect Kesar and the only way the family and society would accept this would be if she married her brother in law. Would it would have been right if she married her husband's murderer? Isn't that unethical?

Just because Gulaal took Kesar's responsibilty, it does not make her a mother figure because guess what? He already has a mother and not to forget there are other women present in the household already so why would he try to find a mother in Gulaal? Makes no sense.šŸ˜• Just the other day I heard a wife calling her husband a child but that does not mean she is a mother-figure to her husband :\

Why couldn't we just leave Gulaal and Kesar as Gulaal and Kesar? Neither did she ever call him son nor did he ever call her mother or even bhabhi!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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See the bond and relation betweem Kes-Gul has always been Gulaal-Kesar, its not defined and it was never named as anything she was just Gulaal to him (despite being pati-patni for me thats their identity to everyone and the village but above all they are Gulaal-Kesar and being 'Gulaal-Kesar' means alot)
He never called her bhabhi and she was never a mum to him, it might look to others she was a mother type in some ways but thats not how it was if just look at the surrounding and from their own pov's and the pure relation of them and how they go on and such. They twp ppl who were connected and looked after each other esp Gulaal to Kesar etc yes he was a kid and so on and yes certain things were done for him as he was a kid by Gulaal.....
I rather not name Gulaal-Kesar as anything, coz for me i 'get' them as such, and also even if there is more to them to me they will always remain Gul-Kesar with a deep intense soulful bond that it what makes them and how they are with each other...........
I cant explain to anyone else and try and get a point across coz like JC said few days back in another thread to look at K-G bond you need to look at it from a different and a beyond glass to get it and understand and also understand why the deeyavatu happen, and i dont just mean why she did as such but to fully see what she did and what she said on that day and why, she stood up and made the whole village see her point and understand her and even the villagers understood her to some extent and accepted it.... but all in all we were left with a Pavitra Rishta which will remain, which was before and after deeyavatu and to this day still is, its that bond now that is what Gul-Kesar are
Still cant believe a sexual topic arised from this in the first place, even if Kes does have feelings for her/fall for her and maybe if she will (or not), i dont see nothing sexual about it as such - Love isnt just based on sexualness and physicalness as such- so much is there emotionally and soulful to some extent and i rather see them as that and how i have seen them.
Thats all i want to say, and i will leave it as that, nothing further to say anymore on this now 😊
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Posted: 14 years ago
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hello!!!
m new to this forum..started visiting here three four days ago..me never watch d show before but startd watching it with neil entry...
after reading about arguments regarding age gap only one thing came to my mind that y some ppl r making it so big...common guys we hav so many examples in iur society like...
farah khan husband shirish kunder is 8yrs younger than her
kareena kapoor is 12 yrs younger than saif ali khan
saif ali khan was 12 yrs younger than amrita singh ..he marry her wen he was only 20 yrs old n she was 32 at tht time
arjun rampal is also 7-8 yrs younger than her wife
farhan akhtar is 7 yrs younger than her wife
sachin tendulkar is 4-5 yrs younger than his wife
dilip kumar's wife saira bano was 20 yes 20 yrs youner than him..
etc etc...there r still so many..now temme those who r opposing gulal kesar relationship has anything to say abut these real life couples..
i agree wen gulal married kesar.he was a kid but at time there was nothing like physical attraction b/w them...it was just a sweet bond of care frm gulal side n of innocence frm kesar side...but now he is grown up..he is sexually eligible for feeling so but wen he was young he didnt had such feelings but now hav it..common its so natural...nd it is also obvious that there will b some sexual tension b/w them which is quite natural..i dont get y ppl r comparing thier present relation to the past one..it has changed and it has to...nahi toh iska matlab hoga ki kesar is abnormal...kuch bhi kaho hai toh gulal uski wife hi na...
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Hey guys 😊iam new to this forum and i have beebn a silent reader till now.😊..but this topic made me speak upšŸ˜› I so agree with u RajeevSurbhišŸ‘...hats off to you and your forward thinking darlingšŸ‘šŸ‘šŸ¼. I mean we ppl call ourselves modernšŸ˜† and ppl with progressive thoughts but the moment we see something different between a man and a woman or in any relationship we start making derogatory remarks🤢 😔, i dont understand why the hell do we always have to label a relationship between a man and woman🤢 in just three to four categories, if we see a man and woman together they are supposed to be having or should have a) a mother son relationship, b) a brother sister relationship, c) husband-wife relationship, d) devar-bhabhi šŸ˜•and if they are Lovers then hell breaks loose🤢. Godddddd 🄱There's lot more to a a man and Woman than these four categories, who was Radha to Krishna😊, Radha was elder to Shri Krishna.....what was the realtionship between Lord Krishna and Draupadi😊....We ppl are okay if a man marries a girl in some serial 14 to 15 yrs younger to him 🤢and also create romantic fantasies around them😲....but the moment a woman who is elder to a man marries him🄱 we start speculating and ridiculing themšŸ„±šŸ‘ŽšŸ¼. Gulal and Kesar relationship is uniquešŸ‘ when Gulal accepted Kesar as her husband it was just to protect him and nuture him😊....not to forget that Kesar was attracted to Gulaal in his own adolescent way😳, he nver considered Gulaal as his mother or sister or even Bhabhi. And now he is no more a kid he is man and is bound to feel attracted to Gulaal😳, she is a beautiful woman 😊and plus dont forget his wife no matter waht the age differences are😊. He is also bound to feel the sexual tension😊 as well since now he is in the same house as Gulaal😊, he now knows the meaning of a Husband and wife😳. It is natural in a man and a woman to feel sexual tension in such circumstances😳...we cannot compare Kesar and Gulaal's past relationship with the current one as the circumstances are wholly different. 😊
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Well-said. Firstly , i don't EVER RECALL Gulaal being a maternal or even an elderly figure in Kesar's life . Infact , Kesar always looked at Gulaal as someone he was attached to, was possessive and trusted the most. I somehow always saw Kesar treat Gulaal as his equal - he always looked 'at' her not 'upto' her.

I cannot say much as i have only seen this soap off and on but of what i have seen, Kesar-Gulaal were always just Kesar-Gulaal. Gulaal married Kesar to protect his rights , protect him. I guess she had made some promise as well to someone , right? Was it Vasant?

All said and done, i don't understand this age difference debate. ANd the dimensions of KG relationship being maternal, blah , blah that everyone is talking about, well, just to enlighten them, its in their minds, The writers never projected KG as anything except two attached human-beings. Or was i watching some other serial?
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Posted: 14 years ago
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@ rajeevsurbhi and @ sameera_ori............ u too read my mindšŸ˜†.............i totally agree with u....
Hi i am a silence reader and sometime only comment in this forum but this topic made me speak up something.....though rajeevsurbi and sameera ori wrote the good points.... so i also want to give my views.......yes, we thing that we r modern and matured but our thinking is backwards as 18-19 century..............As @rajeevsuribhi gave the good example about age gaps people......... but they all r from high society so no people wants to comment on them and so society accept them.......but in case of common people (e.g if common man marry to the girl of his half age then this society will appreciate to the man and congratulate him but if the similar case is in women then , this society will blame to the girl and the couple will boy-cott from society......this is only the true nature of society....moreover in village the condition will be worse then this)......this is the one phase of real society discrimination between man and women ..............
Here also most of the people doesnot accept them as couple they cannot digest it yar becoz the girl age is more then the boy if this case was opposite then this question would not be arise also.......they two r husband and wife yar why people r not accepting them yar and analysing this relation as mother and son..........neither kesher had said mother to her nor she........why people naming their relation in different way.............they r husband and wife and that all......


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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Pocahontas

Well-said. Firstly , i don't EVER RECALL Gulaal being a maternal or even an elderly figure in Kesar's life . Infact , Kesar always looked at Gulaal as someone he was attached to, was possessive and trusted the most. I somehow always saw Kesar treat Gulaal as his equal - he always looked 'at' her not 'upto' her.

I cannot say much as i have only seen this soap off and on but of what i have seen, Kesar-Gulaal were always just Kesar-Gulaal. Gulaal married Kesar to protect his rights , protect him. I guess she had made some promise as well to someone , right? Was it Vasant?

All said and done, i don't understand this age difference debate. ANd the dimensions of KG relationship being maternal, blah , blah that everyone is talking about, well, just to enlighten them, its in their minds, The writers never projected KG as anything except two attached human-beings. Or was i watching some other serial?
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Hey Pocu, long time no see
I agree with you and no you arent watching another serial šŸ˜†
I agree that he looked at her, not upto her - thats what i was trying to get across as well
Yep it was Vasant, Kesar was Vasant's dream etc
Exactly KG were never seen as anything but as Gulaal-Kesar being two attached humans like you say and a bond they have that cant ever be defined and but just felt...... and lets not forget when all is said and done they are indeed Husband-Wife, to me their bond and how they attached it more important then them being married as such, coz the serial always highlighted the bond as such
I wonder if Rahil was back as Kesar, will ppl really not like the idea of Kes-Gul, from what i could see ppl would be up for it, coz its Rahil and so on...........
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Posted: 14 years ago
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i think all those people who r commenting on kesar gulal relationship are being paranoid. gulal either cud marry dushyant ..... or married kesar , we all know gulal wud have rather died than marry dushyant ......... the man who hated her erstwhile husband and probably had a hand in killing him!
kesar on the other hand loves gulal , he always did. even when she had first got married to vasant ..... kesar wud say "gulal is mine".
gulal may have been maternal towards him at one point of time , to protect him ...... but thats not how kesar saw it.
kesar adored gulal ever since she married vasant. their bond only grew stronger after his death.
it was of deep trust and friendship and arent these two the very basic qualities in husband wife relationship?
now he is man and since the only woman he has ever aodred is gulal , he is concentrating all his feelings on her , yes even sexual.
he is angry on gulal becuase his hate is as intense as his love ......... he is confused and not able to come to terms with the supposed betrayal.
and dont we usually end up hating the person whom we have loved the most?
i somehow feel the story woudl proceed this way , kesar torn between his attraction to gulal and his hate for her invovement in vasant's murder.
aww he is in such an unenviable position ....... the onyl woman he ever loved responsible for his brother's death!
for kesar gulal was his favorite possession, and then seh was his wife ....... itna chhota bhi nahi th atab. so its natural when he has become a man , he is attracted to her in the most natural way.
its upto gulal how she take sit, for her kesar is still her husband's young brother. how she comes around to seeing a husband in him , as kesar woudl obviously claim one day. remains to be seen. till now she dsnt have wifely feelings towards kesar and probably would never have, so she is in the clear.
i guess another twist waiting to come here is vasant returning one day , alive ............ hoep it happens before kesar's and gulal's relationship is finalised ...... otherwise story will be one big mess. lolz can any1 tell me when is the maha episode coming on sunday 8 pm or 9 pm?
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Posted: 14 years ago
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It may not be important to define relationships but it is imperative that the individuals involved understand the relationship as it is. In Gulaal-Kesar's case, its obvious that Gulaal and Kesar have different views about their own relationship. Kesar never saw Gulaal as a mother. He had a mother and sisters enough so Gulaal was his friend, the dearest one at that. Talli came much later but could never replace Gulaal's position even though she self claimed herself as his best friend. Talli was a pleasurable company and playmate...but Gulaal to him became a center of existence. His world revolved around her especially after Vasant and Gulaal's wedding. The way he insisted on dropping her to her mayka and threw a tantrum when they refused to take him... it wasn't a child who wanted to go traveling with his family members, it was his need to be where Gulaal was.

There is a phenomenon explained in Twilight series called "imprinting". The idea is explained as warewolves seeing their soul-mate and imprinting on them...and it didn't matter what age of form the soul-mate was in. In the final book, Jacob 'imprints' on Bella and Edwards daughter...she is a mere newborn infant. How do you explain that phenomenon without grossing out all moral faculties. The writer satisfies the morality of the reader by claiming that there is no sexual connotation to this imprinting. Basically the werewolf that imprints on a child/infant will provide love and care and trust to this person in the form that is required by them at their particular age. He will be a maternal figure when she is a child, a best friend when she is in school and a lover when she matures.

Gulaal met Kesar when he was just entering puberty. She became his best friend, which is what he needed at that time. She became his support. When his parents weren't there to protect him she took on that role. When his parents returned she went back to being his best friend. Now he is a grown man and his needs are different. He needs a wife and not a best friend. So he might expect Gulaal to fulfill that duty too.

Gulaal on the other hand, has no understanding of this relationship from the view point of Kesar. Gulaal has always seen him as Vasant's kid brother, his biggest dream and shared in that dream with him. So now for Gulaal, Kesar is the manifestation of her love for Vasant. Whether this love for Vasant transfers to Kesar in the form of a husband, is to be seen. As far as i cant tell, Gulaal will not accept Kesar as husband. She will not encourage his advancements just the same way she treated Dushyant when he saw her as anything but his bhabhi.

Her current state of reluctance and hurt at the actions and dialogs of Kesar, is not because he is suddenly a grown man and she is viewing him differently. But the hurt comes from a loss of the child that she was once attached to. She has no feeling of jealousy per se towards Talli. But just like a mother who is the most important factor in her son's life has difficulty adjusting to her son's admiration of his new wife, Gulaal might feel certain hurt in some situations. But the fact that so far she doesn't feel hurt by Talli shows that she doesn't consider herself to be that person in Kesar's life. She sees herself as merely Kesar's bhabhi and one of the women who had a hand in raising him. Kesar has always been possessive of Gulaal but Gulaal was never seen claiming Kesar for herself. She never said "Mera Kesuda" or anything as such. Even if she had maternal feelings she understood that Panba was his mother and not herself... she must have never seen herself as meaning more to Kesar than Sudha bhabi or Reva or Devika. But what Kesar thought of her might be entirely unknown to her. And just to clarify there was a time in the serial when everyone saw Gulaal as a second mother to Kesar. Even Panba stepped aside and let Gulaal be the disciplinarian in Kesar's life saying that she is like Yashoda was to Krishna.


Having said all this.. I have a feeling i know what the writers are intending to do with Kesar and Gulaal. :D I have my predictions about Kesar's state of mind and his hate and love and the confusion along with it...how it will be resolved and what will come of it. But I'll wait till the story progresses a bit more to share my predictions with everyone.
Edited by -JC- - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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@Lennie: I just wished the critics would not just take this as a simple marriage between an older woman and a young child. Why not actually watch Gulaal and Kesar scenes and judge their relationship through a different viewpoint? I don't think these people even watch the show regularly but instead jump to conclusions on what they've heard. As usual, I agree with everything you've said :)

@rajeevsurbhi & nirma1: I think more than the age gap, the issue is with the age of Kesar when he married Gulaal which fair enough is controversial but they had their own relationship which was neither sexual nor did I think Gulaal is mothering Kesar :\ Now it may become more Gulaal was everything to Kesar and after Vasant died, Kesar became the most important person in her life.

@sameera_ori: I don't need to add anything to your post. You pretty much said it all. We all have this intuitive habit to put a tag on a relationship between a male and female but is it right? We should judge each bond on its own merit.

@Pocahontas: Exactly!! Kesar always called her by 'Tu', she was his equal because he never needed a mother in Gulaal, he saw a true friend and strong support in her. LOL no you were watching the same show but I think certain people passing remarks don't watch the show at all!




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