Sai Joshi has given up... - Page 8

I would echo Nethraa...

This analysis doesn't look like ghum. Probably because you are a writer you could see it and we as audience couldn't...

Does it where this fails???

Anyway... IshRa did have a similar scene. But before the consummation there's another at airport. At least ghum can take inspiration there. That's another show i watched in lockdown 😃

I feel the same about SaiRat. They have very measured responses with each other. But right now at this juncture it would be great if they can for once leave it and blurt out everything. Have nothing to lose since they have already decided to part ways. Rather leave on honesty.

The insecurities is what I feel that holds them back. Wrote a piece on it few days back. I guess i mentioned it to you too. If not, will tag you. Would like to know your opinion.

The whole crux is for the first time i guess they are on similar planes... Not same but similar... It's a perfect opportunity to bridge the gap.

If there's a seperation now, the makers will have to write a completely interesting plot to get them back together and i don't know if it will even work.

Confession has to happen now ... I see no other option.

Originally posted by: daydreamers

@bold I won't even take this as a joke! Only if someone gives me a chance I'll be super excited to write for ITV ☺ Tumhare muh mein ghee shakkar.

ITV na sahi I'll definitely pen down something for Sairat! Maybe poems or OS!

@bold red - Ghum had great potential. It's individual potential. Independent of KD. Only if channel had allowed it that way.

And somehow this show has brought me back to IF. Toh thoda bahot analysis toh banta hi hai!

@bold blue - thank you so much ❤ I won't call it positive viewing. But I guess as writing students we are expected to look at things from a neutral perspective. No matter how much idiotic it is, one needs to gather some sense out of chaos. And Ghum is a great example of Bad Screenplay. So it makes me a little happy when little significant moments show up.

For some reason, they don't want to follow KD and yet are hesitant to write their their own stuff with KD as a guiding line (like Anupama)...so they appear caught between the two...neither this or that...struggling to maintain atleast some artistic liberty....maybe feeling stifled by KD....I guess the problem is that they don't identify with KD...

Many shows miss crucial concepts in plots..one that can take then from ordinary to great...but never have I seen a screenplay as bad as Ghum. Maybe the disconnect that the writers feel with KD is the niggling issue..just my guess.

Originally posted by: nethraa_99

For some reason, they don't want to follow KD and yet are hesitant to write their their own stuff with KD as a guiding line (like Anupama)...so they appear caught between the two...neither this or that...struggling to maintain atleast some artistic liberty....maybe feeling stifled by KD....I guess the problem is that they don't identify with KD...

Many shows miss crucial concepts in plots..one that can take then from ordinary to great...but never have I seen a screenplay as bad as Ghum. Maybe the disconnect that the writers feel with KD is the niggling issue..just my guess.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

KD came in 2012. A regional show with a regressive concept. Maybe the show ran because of the leads and their chemistry. Maybe the FL seemed progressive at that time.

Cut to 2020 - pandemic.

And then you put this remake on national television. First question to be asked - Can such a regressive concept work on National television? If not how can you make it relatable? And i would say they did try to make it relatsble.

The concept can be modernized like - person can't understand his/her emotions, troubled to move on, compromises, tragedy, etc etc.

The reason this show hit the chord among youngsters is this -

V & P impromptu meet. One comes across many people and may even be infatuated by few.

Tragedy hits Sai. Can happen with any human being. And with Covid toh chances double.

There's almost no or minimal contact between V & P. Both have some feelings for each other. May not be deep mad love. But flicker is there. Attraction is there.

Marriage is fixed. P is still stuck. Marriage happens. With whom? V's brother. Tragedy strikes both V & P.

In that pain, V promises something to P. And she still is in the initial phase of their meeting.

I don't blame Pakhi here. It's just that she simply is not able to accept the truth. Happens to so many of us. If seen clearly this really is a modernized concept. Love triangles, multiple dating, open relationships, rebound is so normal. This was such a high point and P's character could have have flourished so well!

Sai V marriage - second tragedy to strike all three of them.

Samrat overhearing conversation - his part of tragedy.

He leaves only never to be found.

If one views these 4 characters independent of all execution, KD, ghum and other CN wasis, they have true content.

In the entire remaking thing, makers didn't pay much attention to the characterisation. That's where this failed.

Also, they copied wrong things at wrong times. That's another tragedy 😆

Independent of KD this show would have done marvelous.

I think this team cannot write a new track for Sairat, meaning creatively they can do a lot but probably they don't have that mind space.

Sairat are poised at a pivotal point. If they don't go ahead, audience will lose patience.

So this will lead to confession. I think Virat going lattoo probably is their version of angst especially since Sai is now indifferent 😆 But they need to do better.

Honestly I'm dreading the dance because if its going to be their usual dance, again it's a missed opportunity.

I hate to put it crassly but they need to be more touchy feely, in a nice way of course. Arm holding has been done too many times.

And of course a big verbal fight needs to happen in their room.

Coming to remakes/adaptations.

Yhm is an adaptation of a novel.

It's popularity is because the way it's told.

Yhm begins where the novel ends.... This is clever storytelling. No blind copying. But this is being relevant.

I had a very negative view of KD until recently, when friends here in IF introduced me properly to it - oh, boy the layers, the characterization, the subtlety, the expert knowledge of human emotions and psychology - Leena ji blew me away with her brilliance....atleast till confession. The biggest drawback for me in KD is the abusive & regressive content - it is unpalatable. Remove that and you have a super passionate, angsty, layered story. Even without the abusive content - it is in no way a pretty story - but many real humans are pretty flawed. 😊

Ghum team made strange decisions. They should have altered the abusive/regressive stuff and kept the layers intact. But they did the exact opposite - they kept the regressive content but compromised with the nuance of KD....diluted SaiRat relationship..they made a mess of characterization Pakhi & Virat...Virat behaved like a pendulum to suit the plot....a big puddle of confusion it became....we were left scratching our head many times...

Or they had to use KD events as a basic guideline and write their own story...use their own creativity ....as you have highlighted.

They went neither here nor there - the result of which we are seeing.

Originally posted by: daydreamers

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

KD came in 2012. A regional show with a regressive concept. Maybe the show ran because of the leads and their chemistry. Maybe the FL seemed progressive at that time.

Cut to 2020 - pandemic.

And then you put this remake on national television. First question to be asked - Can such a regressive concept work on National television? If not how can you make it relatable? And i would say they did try to make it relatsble.

The concept can be modernized like - person can't understand his/her emotions, troubled to move on, compromises, tragedy, etc etc.

The reason this show hit the chord among youngsters is this -

V & P impromptu meet. One comes across many people and may even be infatuated by few.

Tragedy hits Sai. Can happen with any human being. And with Covid toh chances double.

There's almost no or minimal contact between V & P. Both have some feelings for each other. May not be deep mad love. But flicker is there. Attraction is there.

Marriage is fixed. P is still stuck. Marriage happens. With whom? V's brother. Tragedy strikes both V & P.

In that pain, V promises something to P. And she still is in the initial phase of their meeting.

I don't blame Pakhi here. It's just that she simply is not able to accept the truth. Happens to so many of us. If seen clearly this really is a modernized concept. Love triangles, multiple dating, open relationships, rebound is so normal. This was such a high point and P's character could have have flourished so well!

Sai V marriage - second tragedy to strike all three of them.

Samrat overhearing conversation - his part of tragedy.

He leaves only never to be found.

If one views these 4 characters independent of all execution, KD, ghum and other CN wasis, they have true content.

In the entire remaking thing, makers didn't pay much attention to the characterisation. That's where this failed.

Also, they copied wrong things at wrong times. That's another tragedy 😆

Independent of KD this show would have done marvelous.

Indeed!

Life is full of tragedies and resolutions!

Ghum has no resolution.

I know. But this was league apart. So was surprised at the expectation level 😛

Originally posted by: nethraa_99

I had a very negative view of KD until recently, when friends here in IF introduced me properly to it - oh, boy the layers, the characterization, the subtlety, the expert knowledge of human emotions and psychology - Leena ji blew me away with her brilliance....atleast till confession. The biggest drawback for me in KD is the abusive & regressive content - it is unpalatable. Remove that and you have a super passionate, angsty, layered story. Even without the abusive content - it is in no way a pretty story - but many real humans are pretty flawed. 😊

Ghum team made strange decisions. They should have altered the abusive/regressive stuff and kept the layers intact. But they did the exact opposite - they kept the regressive content but compromised with the nuance of KD....diluted SaiRat relationship..they made a mess of characterization Pakhi & Virat...Virat behaved like a pendulum to suit the plot....a big puddle of confusion it became....we were left scratching our head many times...

Or they had to use KD events as a basic guideline and write their own story...use their own creativity ....as you have highlighted.

They went neither here nor there - the result of which we are seeing.

It takes intelligent writing to recreate a story like kusum dola..

Until the shruti track I have always felt Ghum is much better than KD.. There were many layers in terms of characterisation ..

It's just beyond me why such stretching like rubber band..

According to vanker regressive content is the trp puller.. Then this guy really needs to do some research on other top shows.. Rajen Sahi diluted the regressive parts from original sreemoye..he elevated lots things in his version

To conclude with this ph isn't competent enough to pull this off..