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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: jane_austen

You make an interesting point about Sai not being able forget. Yesterday there was a whole discussion on why Sai is not confiding in Virat about Pulkit-Devi. Some views were that Sai is yet a child-woman, therefore not aware of / giving as much importance to marital relationship. Your point about it being Sai not forgetting seems equally convincing.

I understand that in KD, Sai-Virat relationship remains a pendulum - MU followed by reconciliation and again MU - until the end. This could only happen if Sai also had a major flaw that would act as a deterrent in smoothing out their relationship. We all know Virat's flaws.


Exactly Sai is no goddess, she has her own set of flaws that's why she is so relatable

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: Sairat


Exactly Sai is no goddess, she has her own set of flaws that's why she is so relatable

I think we are also going to be swinging like a pendulum with our opinions. Sometimes supporting Sai and sometimes supporting Virat 😅😂


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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: notaquitter

I think we are also going to be swinging like a pendulum with our opinions. Sometimes supporting Sai and sometimes supporting Virat 😅😂




But that’s good na! At least we call out the flaws of both characters and don’t support any blindly (except for one character where the consensus is mostly we don’t like them)

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: neeraja91

Very true. Virat has apologised for the big mistakes like the trip cancellation and the food denial/hand holding etc but all these things leave an impression on Sai. She will forgive and understanding that hes under pressure but that doesn't mean she will share everything with him. That will take time. She keeps reminding herself of his "commitment" which he told her when they got married. That statement of Virat is SO ingrained in her that even when she sees him support her sometimes and respect the maryaada of the relationship with pp, she will never forget that she was not the first woman in his life. She was not his choice. She was an obligation. And she will never forget the many small instances where he has not spoken up and let PP get away with taunting Sai because hes so choosy about picking his battles. sai probably thinks that theres no point involving virat unless theres no option or watee is over the head because in any case, if the issue is small he will let it slide. She didn't share her "doubts" about pd and everything devi said because when she tried he brushed it off as "veham". If she had told him it us very likely he would told her off for her detectivegiri and said dont get involved.

In the past he dragged her away from devi and basically told her "apne kaam se kaam rakho".

He wants her to share but when she does he doesn't always understand. Especially when its about his family members or pp. He always gives them the benefit of doubt because he is caught in between. He only truly sympathizes and listens when its about her aabaa.

Virat is not wrong but he doesn't realize that there are many little things that go into developing a relationship of honesty, trust and this "unsaid emotions" padhna. If he cant do it at his age and eith his life experiences yet, how will Sai. It takes time. And if he is under so much pressure balancing family, work and Sai, its the same if not worse with Sai. Everyone is against her, the house/city is new, virat himself is not someone she knows too well. She also has her college and studies. I loved that he acknowledged that Sai is "dukhi" when he was explaining to kaku why he wanted to take Sai along but the trip cancellation and everything in the aftermath now has in no way helped. Shes still dukhi. Hope he remembers that and CVs do as well!

I hope they show something in between where we get lighthearted Sairat. Either a trip/holi celebration/ devi pulkit marriage prep. Something where Sai can forget her worries and stress for a while.


Abhi toh 3 weeks we will only get heavy weight tracks only..

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: Sairat

Today we have a problem, why Sai is not sharing her problems with Virat???

But remember this episode, she went to share her problems willingly with her husband..and what happened what did Virat said that day???


Sai is a modern day girl not like the Bhabhi I knew, but one thing is common they both were in a sensitive place during and after there marriage...both for different reason


Add the age,death of her only family member and conditions of marriage in the mix for Sai..


Isn't it true "First Impressions are Last for some" and "Once burnt; Twice Shy"..


Does'nt it applies here.


Why does Sai always saying thank you and i will return the favours, when Virat is all about I am your husband, its your right!!!


Check episode 59 ; Sai asks Virat with so much Haq "Aa hi gaye hai, toh suitcase utaar dijiye" and then also grumbles jitna bolo utna hi karenge..


But after Patralekha came back , when have we seen her using such Haq on him..


Never not atleast consciously...until she is forced to admit; she never even acknowledges Virat as her husband..


Virat had a problem when Sai was not bringing him food, not eating with him but we forget one day when as wife she took that plate of food for her husband..which he threw..


It does not mean, the Virat we have today what he does goes out of the window, slowly and steadily it allows Sai to lower her guard but as soon she starts lowering the guard, something happens to bring the shield up with twice strength.


For example: Trip, i do not believe for one second , that she got ready for trip because Virat forced her, she did because she also wanted to spend time with this new Virat she was hesitant because of Pakhi...and after the fiasco when Aai came to ask Virat to take Sai seperately somewhere, she stopped removing the bangles, she wanted Virat to say "Yes" but when she saw his hesitancy, the walls were back up with twice reinforcement..


Than add the money tantrum..to list.


The wall came down a little with family, sorry , tears and chaat party..but this is second time they have not lowered down fully..


Now hopefully, tomorrow with Ninad's hand holding scene the wall might crash, but again with the throwing out of house..Virat has to put his life on line to bring her back..


Note: I am not justifying or saying that without telking Virat what she is doing is right!!


SAI has Forgives easily so people think its a FL thing , but we forget Sai is also a Grey Character she easily Forgives but she never Forgets.


Atleast in KD, that was the reason the confession took Sai to go to coma, but no it was an episode during that time where Virat realises how damaged there relationship is?? Because Sai never Forgets..


NOTE: I AM NOT SAYING VIRAT IS WRONG OR RIGHT, THEY ARE HUMANS WITH EMOTIONS WHICH CAN NEVER BE BLACK AND WHITE.THIS IS JUST MY SIDE OF ANALYSIS FOR THE REASONS SAI IS SO ADAMANT ABOUT SOME POINTS.

Let me know , if you guys agree or disagree!!


Priyanshi, lovely post ❤️ and really moving story from your neighbourhood. Cases of domestic abuse are very high in families of people in white collared positions. In fact, the abuse is also of a different level and it is also almost always covered up more because the "image" is more important. It is only a fallacy that domestic abuse cannot/should not/does not happen in homes where men/women hold positions of power. A very well known politician of Maharashtra, whose daughter has been an MP herself is a victim of domestic violence. Several times in the dead of the night, she calls out to the cops for help to take her to the hospital for treatment to injuries because her husband has thrashed her in a drunken state. It is a story everyone knows, but not acknowledged in public. Of course, these are the instances where relationships suffer maximum damage.

Coming to Sai and Virat -- I loved how you pointed out the fact that Sai's attitude towards the marriage changed after the point where Patralekha left the house. We have discussed this at length during those episodes. She overhears a one-sided conversation of Virat with Sunny and assumes that he's dejected that PP refused to return with him and she decides to bring her back for Virat -- in fact, that was the track that changed both their prespectives. It made Virat more disenchanted with PP and made him realise that Sai is being provoked and judged and it actually left Sai convinced that Virat loves PP because he also made the pyaar-dosti slip up. It was after this that she stopped calling the room "Pati-Patni ka kamra" because it truly left her with the feeling of being the 'third wheel'.. something that she had been told. What followed was a series of fights during the Amey issue and it further alienated her -- the dialogue during the kathak dance- ye aapka kamra hai. Add to that the Aniket fight.

So while Sai was getting alienated, Virat was actually getting more attached to her and he was exploding because she was disconnecting and verbally stating it -- and she could not understand that his anger was because she was disconnecting. Complete miscommunication.

They found some tender moments during the Alta track, thanks to Ashwini's prodding and making Sai consider for a few moments that Virat indeed feels more than just 'farz' for her. While I am not entirely in favour of Ashwini pushing her to love Virat, she did need someone to tell her that because it is true. Her sense of loneliness comes from the fact that despite having such a caring man by her side, she cannot call him her 'husband' in the true sense. To me, the dinner sequence after the Alta track was a very clear indication that Sai understood that Virat was leaning towards her. She sensed it, felt it and heard it from him also. It actually made her lower her guard and reach out to him that filled his own insecurity and then Ladakh happened -- I agree with you that she wanted to go too. We all agreed that day that she would have not refused had it come as first thought to Virat and not from Ashwini but then, at the back of her mind, she knew PP would not like it. Because again: Virat has not clarified his stand on the relationship/pyaarosti with PP.

The Ladakh fiasco has totally done her in because whatever be the private deal between them, no third party can point fingers at her and call her "maukaparasth" for going on a tour with her 'husband', who she shares a bedroom and a bed with anyway. It's no one's business. It did hit her. Because it reminded her of the 'vaadas' that were placed as embargo between them. PP's outburst also reminded her of the simple fact that may be she was crossing her line by agreeing to Virat's suggestion because in her mind, they are in love and she's the unwanted one. She did not push Virat to attend to PP until PP left the house and Virat left her confused with his "pyaar-dosti" thoughts... But since that time, she has been pushing Virat to actively acknowledge his feelings -- right from the phone call PP made to him telling him she was coming home.

@green: I would not count that fight when he threw the plate Sai had brought for him as a 'bad memory'. It was done in a moment of absolute anxiety and not contempt. I don't think Sai will keep a count of that because it was his frustration and she was indeed not even observing his stress at that moment and before they could talk the third person had arrived.


The one fight that has created a knot between them are the two recent ones-- where he held her hand and prohibited his mother from serving her a meal (and the private fight on the same issue which wasn't resolved). That was nasty. All other fights before this were typical husband and wife fights, which happen very regularly -- they say that a husband and wife (genuine ones) must forgive one another seventy times seven, which represents infinity because love is boundless and powerful to replace moments of anger. But Sai will not forget the last one. And so will he. Because this was their chance to really address the questions and clear their misunderstandings. It was his chance to clear the 'sacchai' and her chance to apologise and hear him out. But they missed the chance because there was still a lot of awkwardness between them to be able to really reach out -- his lack of clarity on the 'mera sach' in the context of PP and her silence when he was seeking a response to 'main tumhara koi nahi'... they both have their walls founded on these feelings that can be cleared in one simple conversation. But in reality hesitation in love is often actually as palpable, frustrating and agonising as this.


One other character flaw Sai has is that she doesn't "listen". She 'hears' and reacts. Virat speaks in a complex language and he wants people close to him to read in between his lines -- Sai takes things at face value. That is exactly how a 19-year-old, impulsive person would be. She actually lacks the patience to allow the other person to finish talking and Virat was right when he said she doesn't allow him to speak-- because she has preconceived ideas and from her standpoint, they are completely justified. But when he tells her "tumhe insaan padhna nahi aata", he is not entirely wrong -- except that he can be clearer and end the need for her to read his complex jalebis. For instance, even when he was apologising, he was speaking at a level that was deep and would have given her all her answers but she got stuck at 'khaana nahi khaya, Pakhi didi se kyun jhagda kiya'... I was annoyed that he even told her that 'bhi jhagda hua', but Sai totally exited from the emotion he was trying to convey.

On the other side, there are times when she's willing to listen and wants answers -- the fight that they had in their private space and she threw those questions at him about his 'commitment' to another woman. She would have heard him at that point but he did not speak -- it is because he was taken by surprise and by nature, he would not give an immediate answer unless he has processed the thought. Many men are like that. They don't reply during an argument and the women want the answers then and there. The men want to address the issues after the situation has calmed -- and maybe he could have used the 'Sunday' to answer those questions when they were both in a better mood but it took the turn for the worse and added a big knot to the relationship.

I firmly believe he has to be specific in communicating that his feelings have changed because he was the one who placed that condition very specifically and repeated it for a long time. The onus of reading the changed conditions cannot be on Sai.

I agree with you when you say that she hesitates to share her feelings with him because of the unresolved issues between them -- it is complicated. But this particular issue is not about her. It is about Virat's cousin. And to give her a bit of benefit, the whole Pulkit inviting himself is not her fault and she did not have enough time between the mandir visit to do anything much but the fact that he was asking and they were alone in the temple and also in a good mood, she could have prepared him for it. From the precap, we know that she's going to join Pulkit in charging at the family even before Virat has returned and they will know she was 'involved' in some way. So, for this particular issue, the miscommunication between them pertaining to their relationship cannot be an excuse. Ultimately, it is Sai's soul force that will really liberate Devyani but one can only wish that she had done it more prudently by foreseeing the kind of manipulation and tactics that can be used by the gang to have their way. It is such an important issue that you cannot run into it like a charging bull and expect to not hit a wall. There are crime and threat involved here. It's not a trivial matter.


@bold: I also think both of them forgive easily. It's not just Sai but also Virat who forgives everyone. Both of them do not hold grudges and that is a very healthy trait to have.


(I began writing thinking I will give you a short and sweet answer, but every time I realise precis writing is not my cup of coffee.. so here you go... Pako ab😆.)

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: Sairat


Yes.. i knew but what about it..


The other show is also a TRP topper. I was thinking audience liking and appreciating such regressive content from a century old author.
IMO she is not Bard of Avon to read after centuries.

People are still stuck to century old regressive value system including women ( here I mean the TRP aunties)


i feel the women empowerment is bullshit in itv shows and for them it’s the same oppressive values (read mahanta self sacrificing ever forgiving FL) packaged in new wrapper.



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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: Saichintalli

I really like the way you explained it. Yes fighting can be forgiven but couldn't be forgetten completely.... I want to add completely bcoz after sometime, when situation changes and nature of the person changes , we might not forget the words spoken during the fight but they will surely fade out. I won't support virat for what he did in last few episodes but at the same time we can't count few things as his mistake... For example: the pushing of the plate in DIG track, in that situation he did pushed the plate but not intentionally his career was in stake for which he worked hard for all his life, at that time we can't expect him to act calmly but yes blaming sai for marriage is wrong... But pushing plate is not ,and sai should understand that and forget about it because here it's not a mistake but an outburst... Similar to the outburst of sai during her Abba death... Virat went out of the board lot of times but same virat stood against everyone only for her before and after marriage.... And both of them said alot of stuff to eachother which couldn't be forgotten but as I said ,as time passes and bond between them becomes stronger these words will fade out and will be replaced by some beautiful memories.. I can't judge ur baiya and bhabie as I don't know them... But I believe once the person changes for good and even then if we keep on poking them for the bad they did, at some point the changed person will again tend to bad only because he can't get comfort from the person for whom he/she changed..☺️☺️

@blue: Love how you've said it... Any two people coming together are bound to go through moments they would never want to remember and yet not be able to forget. And marriage is definitely one such relationship. But yes, there is always a chance to correct what went wrong. Every person is allowed to truly repent and repair -- spiritually and legally as well... it is the truth of life.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: jankiraghav


Priyanshi, lovely post ❤️ and really moving story from your neighbourhood. Cases of domestic abuse are very high in families of people in white collared positions. In fact, the abuse is also of a different level and it is also almost always covered up more because the "image" is more important. It is only a fallacy that domestic abuse cannot/should not/does not happen in homes where men/women hold positions of power. A very well known politician of Maharashtra, whose daughter has been an MP herself is a victim of domestic violence. Several times in the dead of the night, she calls out to the cops for help to take her to the hospital for treatment to injuries because her husband has thrashed her in a drunken state. It is a story everyone knows, but not acknowledged in public. Of course, these are the instances where relationships suffer maximum damage.

Coming to Sai and Virat -- I loved how you pointed out the fact that Sai's attitude towards the marriage changed after the point where Patralekha left the house. We have discussed this at length during those episodes. She overhears a one-sided conversation of Virat with Sunny and assumes that he's dejected that PP refused to return with him and she decides to bring her back for Virat -- in fact, that was the track that changed both their prespectives. It made Virat more disenchanted with PP and made him realise that Sai is being provoked and judged and it actually left Sai convinced that Virat loves PP because he also made the pyaar-dosti slip up. It was after this that she stopped calling the room "Pati-Patni ka kamra" because it truly left her with the feeling of being the 'third wheel'.. something that she had been told. What followed was a series of fights during the Amey issue and it further alienated her -- the dialogue during the kathak dance- ye aapka kamra hai. Add to that the Aniket fight.

So while Sai was getting alienated, Virat was actually getting more attached to her and he was exploding because she was disconnecting and verbally stating it -- and she could not understand that his anger was because she was disconnecting. Complete miscommunication.

They found some tender moments during the Alta track, thanks to Ashwini's prodding and making Sai consider for a few moments that Virat indeed feels more than just 'farz' for her. While I am not entirely in favour of Ashwini pushing her to love Virat, she did need someone to tell her that because it is true. Her sense of loneliness comes from the fact that despite having such a caring man by her side, she cannot call him her 'husband' in the true sense. To me, the dinner sequence after the Alta track was a very clear indication that Sai understood that Virat was leaning towards her. She sensed it, felt it and heard it from him also. It actually made her lower her guard and reach out to him that filled his own insecurity and then Ladakh happened -- I agree with you that she wanted to go too. We all agreed that day that she would have not refused had it come as first thought to Virat and not from Ashwini but then, at the back of her mind, she knew PP would not like it. Because again: Virat has not clarified his stand on the relationship/pyaarosti with PP.

The Ladakh fiasco has totally done her in because whatever be the private deal between them, no third party can point fingers at her and call her "maukaparasth" for going on a tour with her 'husband', who she shares a bedroom and a bed with anyway. It's no one's business. It did hit her. Because it reminded her of the 'vaadas' that were placed as embargo between them. PP's outburst also reminded her of the simple fact that may be she was crossing her line by agreeing to Virat's suggestion because in her mind, they are in love and she's the unwanted one. She did not push Virat to attend to PP until PP left the house and Virat left her confused with his "pyaar-dosti" thoughts... But since that time, she has been pushing Virat to actively acknowledge his feelings -- right from the phone call PP made to him telling him she was coming home.

@green: I would not count that fight when he threw the plate Sai had brought for him as a 'bad memory'. It was done in a moment of absolute anxiety and not contempt. I don't think Sai will keep a count of that because it was his frustration and she was indeed not even observing his stress at that moment and before they could talk the third person had arrived.


The one fight that has created a knot between them are the two recent ones-- where he held her hand and prohibited his mother from serving her a meal (and the private fight on the same issue which wasn't resolved). That was nasty. All other fights before this were typical husband and wife fights, which happen very regularly -- they say that a husband and wife (genuine ones) must forgive one another seventy times seven, which represents infinity because love is boundless and powerful to replace moments of anger. But Sai will not forget the last one. And so will he. Because this was their chance to really address the questions and clear their misunderstandings. It was his chance to clear the 'sacchai' and her chance to apologise and hear him out. But they missed the chance because there was still a lot of awkwardness between them to be able to really reach out -- his lack of clarity on the 'mera sach' in the context of PP and her silence when he was seeking a response to 'main tumhara koi nahi'... they both have their walls founded on these feelings that can be cleared in one simple conversation. But in reality hesitation in love is often actually as palpable, frustrating and agonising as this.


One other character flaw Sai has is that she doesn't "listen". She 'hears' and reacts. Virat speaks in a complex language and he wants people close to him to read in between his lines -- Sai takes things at face value. That is exactly how a 19-year-old, impulsive person would be. She actually lacks the patience to allow the other person to finish talking and Virat was right when he said she doesn't allow him to speak-- because she has preconceived ideas and from her standpoint, they are completely justified. But when he tells her "tumhe insaan padhna nahi aata", he is not entirely wrong -- except that he can be clearer and end the need for her to read his complex jalebis. For instance, even when he was apologising, he was speaking at a level that was deep and would have given her all her answers but she got stuck at 'khaana nahi khaya, Pakhi didi se kyun jhagda kiya'... I was annoyed that he even told her that 'bhi jhagda hua', but Sai totally exited from the emotion he was trying to convey.

On the other side, there are times when she's willing to listen and wants answers -- the fight that they had in their private space and she threw those questions at him about his 'commitment' to another woman. She would have heard him at that point but he did not speak -- it is because he was taken by surprise and by nature, he would not give an immediate answer unless he has processed the thought. Many men are like that. They don't reply during an argument and the women want the answers then and there. The men want to address the issues after the situation has calmed -- and maybe he could have used the 'Sunday' to answer those questions when they were both in a better mood but it took the turn for the worse and added a big knot to the relationship.

I firmly believe he has to be specific in communicating that his feelings have changed because he was the one who placed that condition very specifically and repeated it for a long time. The onus of reading the changed conditions cannot be on Sai.

I agree with you when you say that she hesitates to share her feelings with him because of the unresolved issues between them -- it is complicated. But this particular issue is not about her. It is about Virat's cousin. And to give her a bit of benefit, the whole Pulkit inviting himself is not her fault and she did not have enough time between the mandir visit to do anything much but the fact that he was asking and they were alone in the temple and also in a good mood, she could have prepared him for it. From the precap, we know that she's going to join Pulkit in charging at the family even before Virat has returned and they will know she was 'involved' in some way. So, for this particular issue, the miscommunication between them pertaining to their relationship cannot be an excuse. Ultimately, it is Sai's soul force that will really liberate Devyani but one can only wish that she had done it more prudently by foreseeing the kind of manipulation and tactics that can be used by the gang to have their way. It is such an important issue that you cannot run into it like a charging bull and expect to not hit a wall. There are crime and threat involved here. It's not a trivial matter.


@bold: I also think both of them forgive easily. It's not just Sai but also Virat who forgives everyone. Both of them do not hold grudges and that is a very healthy trait to have.


(I began writing thinking I will give you a short and sweet answer, but every time I realise precis writing is not my cup of coffee.. so here you go... Pako ab😆.)


Janki i love your posts!!!


one thing is for sure that there is a miscommunication.. they actually need to sit and talk but if they do phir show kaise chalega!!

Indian shows thrive on miscommunication, if the ml and fl were to communicate there wouldn’t 80% of shows on television!


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Wonderful post!


I was also in the same state yesterday. Still am. Why doesn't she feel free enough to tell Virat about Pulkit? There are 2 sides to every argument. In fact I would say, even going to Pulkit's Sir 's house, she should've informed him. But that took such an ugly turn especially with Virat, it invalidated the 'mistake' that Sai made.


Reading the entire story as it occurred in KD, it looks like Virat always expects Sai to understand him and his motivations, whereas she stands firm for herself, if his do gooder complex affects her self respect.


It's an engaging concept actually. Except that in a daily soap format we have to go through the family drama to get to the couple's story!


Interesting discussion here, enjoying it. Thank you for the post!

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Lovely discussion

Will come back in a while to put my points

Sai is someone who takes people at their face value . She doesn't actually believe in eye for eye but yes she will never compromise on her self respect. While virat is someone who picks up only the things he witness. No past history or background taken into consideration. This has time and again led him to being a pendulum. When sai said " aapke sahi aur galat wakt ke saat badalte hai " she was damn true. In the chilli grinding scene he only saw that she was stopped from going to college that's it. He didn't bothered to know the back story. Okay his priority was Sai's college then but he should have known the whole thing later and confronted his family but he chose the easiest way of coaxing sai to love his " dil ke ache " family.

Virat stood by her and fought for her education but that was a part of deal right ??? He can't really count that into ehsaan. Saving from jagtap, marrying her everything was his farz. They were not ehsaan 🤷

But yes sai forgives him everytime she feels he is genuinely guilty of it. Forgetting them is not easy. I can personally vouch for it because I am also a person who just can't forget such things easily. Things like these haunt me . And everytime sai tried to forget them and move forward she was thrown back to the sane pit again. Sometimes by pakhi sometimes by family and sometimes by virat himself.


Janki was right. Before pakhi left home sai never really pushed virat towards PP. But when she saw and half heard the effect she has on him she raised her walls high up and to stop herself from being guilty of coming between them she started pushing virat to pakhi. But it was also the same time when virat started looking past pakhi and feeling for sai. He started taking steps to her while she started rising her walls high up with each passing day. She tried everything at her hand to stop herself from being pulled towards him but she gavee in at some moments like dinner scene and trip. The mouka parast and chor ki tarah jaa rahi thi are going to haunt her. The issue is virat's fight is always meek. He doesnt put his point as strong as sai does. I would have really appreciated if he spoke up about the mouka parastht.


Every problem between them or to say every feeling will be sorted with just one direct communication. And sai has intiated that one when she burst out after the trip thing but virat didn't take it forward. And from then things only started piling up one over another.


But again in a daily soap communication is one thing we can never ask for. They keep taking us through the same roads again n again but won't give it actually 😂😂😂

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