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Hi Everyone,


So I just saw a post on forum , about Pakhi and Aishwarya as different people, one is character other is an actor playing it, both are different, Audience understands that, than whats the problem?


For this we have to understand Patralekha Salunke/Chavan.

Has a character like hers not been written before, No there has been.Her character in original version matches that of KashiBai from Bajirao Mastani, the only difference is here she is the GF rather than Wife.

She is strong , independent, urban girl who knows the practicalities of life.She dreams like any other girl but is not delusional.She can see the difference between right and wrong, truth and mirage..In KD, it was Rupkotha who knew before anyone else , that understood Rono's feelings for Imon, its a different story how she utilised this information.

The one dialogue which can explain her character is:

"Aap humse hamari zindagi maang lete hum aapko khushi khushi de dete ... par aapne toh humse hamara guroor cheen liya"

For Patralekha , its not about love, its about her right as a first lover, where her lover gave her the word for eternity.Its about her guroor not dil...not love..

She does not want to be Virat's wife but his love does not matters to her, what matters is by principle , by his word the claim of being "The One"


Later, when she is denied time and again with that claim ; she gets more delusional day by day, it almost starts when Virat and Sai confess to each other.


Now, whats wrong why in this version almost nobody can sympathise with Patralekha's character?

I will give you an example in KD, with Chilli grinding scene, when Imon made Rupkotha grind chilli as a retribution, Rono did not supported Rupkotha, but the sympathy for her did not came from there.The feelings with which Rupkotha sat to grind the chilli, than was grinding the chilli, the emotions were felt across the screen.Not even hardcore Imon fans were able to derive pleasure, from her chilli grinding and others wdre able to sympathise with her.


Check out Ranajay's Feelings For Iman? on Hotstar! https://www.hotstar.com/ca/1000115191


But in Ghkkpm,the dialogues leading to the grinding episode were same, but when Aishwarya enacted that scene i felt nothing, not even the happiness that I should have felt as Sai fan to see her grind chilli.That's why when Makers added the scene of Virat applying ice, all the pent up frustation went to the charqcter of Virat, bashing him left right and center.


Check out Sai Teaches Pakhi a Lesson on Hotstar! https://www.hotstar.com/ca/1000257089


You guys can compare yourself.


The problem in this version is the actress playing the role, I started with the first episode just out of curosity was her acting always this way and also saw her previous work,( shocking but she is good in them).Even in the the intro episode, i get the hint of character ofPatralekha is from her acting, the potrayal is just right.The problem starts after she returns from camp; since then the Pakhi starts coming across tp me as delusional and its not the case with either of the 2 versions.Pakhi comes across as delusional , cheating spouse, the vamp in this version because her character is not being potrayed properly.

Either Aishwarya does not know what she is supposed to be potraying or she has not understood the depth of the character.

Because Patralekha's flaw is not delusion its her guroor/ her thought process of having the first right.. delusion comes later as an aftermath of her flaw not at the starting.

In both versions, Satya and Rupkotha wanted to go on trip , because they thought they had the first claim not because they wanted to share their shikwa's.Also, Satya and Rupkotha both had a meltdown; but the meltdown was graceful here it was shown on a level of mental instability.

I saw Aishwarya's acting and though she is not so skilled but so was Ayesha at the start of the show; but we all have witnessed how she has improved, the same cannot be said about Aishwarya; it only seems her expressions became limited and thats the reason in a well enacted scene she stands out like a sore thumb like in Mohit Kaku food scene.


Patralekha , Sai and Virat are all very deep characters and actors playing them cannot forget this; because like now when even one character cannot play their part well , the story line and angle changes.Like now, so Patralekha character is not potrayed right the other characters supporting Patralekha are also questioned because the character is not reaching across.


In other versions the character of Bhavani Kaku , Ninad and Omi are not considered so vile as the reasons of supporting dither get justified or sympathised due to the character potrayal of Rupkotha and Satya.

Thus, in future when they becoming understanding of Sai's character;it does not come out as a sudden 180° change ,rather a gradual process, because they do not stop supporting Patralekha.

But right now, how the story is going with Patralekha's potrayal, the audience will be confused and would call them names as it would seem they are becoming "thali ka baigan" which will lead the audience to lose interest in show.


Now for our dear friend FruitCustard who is a She😅😂


The reason why Virat get bashed left, right and center; I agree with you Neil Bhatt is an exemplary actor and he has understood his character better than anyone else, that might be the reason that Virat's potrayal is better even than the original versions; his story reaches across the audience loud and clear.

If it his only his scenes ; but the problem starts when it's a Virakhi Scene:

The potrayal of Patralekha ; to be honest is nowhere near the mark and further downline.

So in a scene where Patralekha enters Sairat room while they are in argument (is not right in any version , reel or real life) but he has given Pakhi to barge in as a friend, in other versions both Rupkotha and Satya enters the room with the high handed feeling of my claim is first and Sai has her insecurities because that is her character, so in a frame all three are understood and Virat is not name called so much.

But in GHKKPM, Patralekha when enters the Sairat room or any "Sairat scene" she potrays "Pyaar ka Haq" instead of "Guroor"; it just not only spoils the visaulization of her character but of Virat's as well.

As an aftermath, she is visualized as a delusional cheating spouse and Virat get the brunt because it looks for Virat that woh uske behaviour ko badawa de raha hai(because nobody yold Neil that the potrayal of Pakhi has changed😅)


During Sairat Scenes he is bashed for calling Sai badtameez but actually he is not wrong according to script, but Ayesha though is working hard for living and breathing Sai, maybe due to her demeanour she is atmost comes across brutalky honest with tinge of rudeness.But in her comparision the actress playing Imon was living and breathing definition of Rudeness in character as it was written.j

So when Rono called her badtameez it was still digestable, because she would do actual shouting or badtameezi.

Here Ayesha us a more subdued form of Imon so Sai comes across as rude but not badtameez.


Coming back to Patralekha : the actress playing the role should now concentrate on her charecter rather than the IV's because she has some serious catching up and also because its a remake, audience already have a lot of expectations because Rupkotha and Sathya were a class in themselves, they carried and understood there character as a Parallel Lead not the daily soap vamp.


If Aishwarya is not recieving the response from audience; that she was hoping for its time she introspects why?? Rather than blaming the audience to be of Hypocrites!!! she needs to look at the episodes and her potrayal of character from audience point of view.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: Sairat

Hi Everyone,


So I just saw a post on forum , about Pakhi and Aishwarya as different people, one is character other is an actor playing it, both are different, Audience understands that, than whats the problem?


For this we have to understand Patralekha Salunke/Chavan.

Has a character like hers not been written before, No there has been.Her character in original version matches that of KashiBai from Bajirao Mastani, the only difference is here she is the GF rather than Wife.

She is strong , independent, urban girl who knows the practicalities of life.She dreams like any other girl but is not delusional.She can see the difference between right and wrong, truth and mirage..In KD, it was Rupkotha who knew before anyone else , that understood Rono's feelings for Imon, its a different story how she utilised this information.

The one dialogue which can explain her character is:

"Aap humse hamari zindagi maang lete hum aapko khushi khushi de dete ... par aapne toh humse hamara guroor cheen liya"

For Patralekha , its not about love, its about her right as a first lover, where her lover gave her the word for eternity.Its about her guroor not dil...not love..

She does not want to be Virat's wife but his love does not matters to her, what matters is by principle , by his word the claim of being "The One"


Later, when she is denied time and again with that claim ; she gets more delusional day by day, it almost starts when Virat and Sai confess to each other.


Now, whats wrong why in this version almost nobody can sympathise with Patralekha's character?

I will give you an example in KD, with Chilli grinding scene, when Imon made Rupkotha grind chilli as a retribution, Rono did not supported Rupkotha, but the sympathy for her did not came from there.The feelings with which Rupkotha sat to grind the chilli, than was grinding the chilli, the emotions were felt across the screen.Not even hardcore Imon fans were able to derive pleasure, from her chilli grinding and others wdre able to sympathise with her.


Check out Ranajay's Feelings For Iman? on Hotstar! https://www.hotstar.com/ca/1000115191


But in Ghkkpm,the dialogues leading to the grinding episode were same, but when Aishwarya enacted that scene i felt nothing, not even the happiness that I should have felt as Sai fan to see her grind chilli.That's why when Makers added the scene of Virat applying ice, all the pent up frustation went to the charqcter of Virat, bashing him left right and center.


Check out Sai Teaches Pakhi a Lesson on Hotstar! https://www.hotstar.com/ca/1000257089


You guys can compare yourself.


The problem in this version is the actress playing the role, I started with the first episode just out of curosity was her acting always this way and also saw her previous work,( shocking but she is good in them).Even in the the intro episode, i get the hint of character ofPatralekha is from her acting, the potrayal is just right.The problem starts after she returns from camp; since then the Pakhi starts coming across tp me as delusional and its not the case with either of the 2 versions.Pakhi comes across as delusional , cheating spouse, the vamp in this version because her character is not being potrayed properly.

Either Aishwarya does not know what she is supposed to be potraying or she has not understood the depth of the character.

Because Patralekha's flaw is not delusion its her guroor/ her thought process of having the first right.. delusion comes later as an aftermath of her flaw not at the starting.

In both versions, Satya and Rupkotha wanted to go on trip , because they thought they had the first claim not because they wanted to share their shikwa's.Also, Satya and Rupkotha both had a meltdown; but the meltdown was graceful here it was shown on a level of mental instability.

I saw Aishwarya's acting and though she is not so skilled but so was Ayesha at the start of the show; but we all have witnessed how she has improved, the same cannot be said about Aishwarya; it only seems her expressions became limited and thats the reason in a well enacted scene she stands out like a sore thumb like in Mohit Kaku food scene.


Patralekha , Sai and Virat are all very deep characters and actors playing them cannot forget this; because like now when even one character cannot play their part well , the story line and angle changes.Like now, so Patralekha character is not potrayed right the other characters supporting Patralekha are also questioned because the character is not reaching across.


In other versions the character of Bhavani Kaku , Ninad and Omi are not considered so vile as the reasons of supporting dither get justified or sympathised due to the character potrayal of Rupkotha and Satya.

Thus, in future when they becoming understanding of Sai's character;it does not come out as a sudden 180° change ,rather a gradual process, because they do not stop supporting Patralekha.

But right now, how the story is going with Patralekha's potrayal, the audience will be confused and would call them names as it would seem they are becoming "thali ka baigan" which will lead the audience to lose interest in show.


Now for our dear friend FruitCustard who is a She😅😂


The reason why Virat get bashed left, right and center; I agree with you Neil Bhatt is an exemplary actor and he has understood his character better than anyone else, that might be the reason that Virat's potrayal is better even than the original versions; his story reaches across the audience loud and clear.

If it his only his scenes ; but the problem starts when it's a Virakhi Scene:

The potrayal of Patralekha ; to be honest is nowhere near the mark and further downline.

So in a scene where Patralekha enters Sairat room while they are in argument (is not right in any version , reel or real life) but he has given Pakhi to barge in as a friend, in other versions both Rupkotha and Satya enters the room with the high handed feeling of my claim is first and Sai has her insecurities because that is her character, so in a frame all three are understood and Virat is not name called so much.

But in GHKKPM, Patralekha when enters the Sairat room or any "Sairat scene" she potrays "Pyaar ka Haq" instead of "Guroor"; it just not only spoils the visaulization of her character but of Virat's as well.

As an aftermath, she is visualized as a delusional cheating spouse and Virat get the brunt because it looks for Virat that woh uske behaviour ko badawa de raha hai(because nobody yold Neil that the potrayal of Pakhi has changed😅)


During Sairat Scenes he is bashed for calling Sai badtameez but actually he is not wrong according to script, but Ayesha though is working hard for living and breathing Sai, maybe due to her demeanour she is atmost comes across brutalky honest with tinge of rudeness.But in her comparision the actress playing Imon was living and breathing definition of Rudeness in character as it was written.j

So when Rono called her badtameez it was still digestable, because she would do actual shouting or badtameezi.

Here Ayesha us a more subdued form of Imon so Sai comes across as rude but not badtameez.


Coming back to Patralekha : the actress playing the role should now concentrate on her charecter rather than the IV's because she has some serious catching up and also because its a remake, audience already have a lot of expectations because Rupkotha and Sathya were a class in themselves, they carried and understood there character as a Parallel Lead not the daily soap vamp.


If Aishwarya is not recieving the response from audience; that she was hoping for its time she introspects why?? Rather than blaming the audience to be of Hypocrites!!! she needs to look at the episodes and her potrayal of character from audience point of view.


Ek chhoti se req hain meri kashibai ko badnam mat kijiye plz she was not like pakhi anywhere.


Baaki I agree with👍🏼

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I agree with you. When I read the synopsis of KD, I was intrigued by all 3 characters.

I expected Pakhi to be exactly how you have said. The whole impact of the scene is lost when the character doesn't display the right expression. The onus is on Virat to react to her ...and it is he who gets the flak.


Pakhi the character is so ordinary..it is disappointing. I know for a fact all of us GHKKPM fans would enjoy it if she was more impactful.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: Fruitcustard_9


Ek chhoti se req hain meri kashibai ko badnam mat kijiye plz she was not like pakhi anywhere.


Baaki I agree with👍🏼


Even I became a fan of Priyanka after Bajirao Mastani, I went to see the film for Ranveer as Peshwa Bajirao and ended up falling in love with Kashibai.

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Aparajita was far far better than Aishwarya, you can even feel the pain of Rupkotha sometimes but don't know why, we can't connect with Pakhi may be because of the acting, if she plays her character nicely, we all would have appreciated her. ITV has damn best negative actors, if show could have played her part nicely, Pakhi would have another iconic grey character, may be first a well presented grey character in ITV..

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Roopkatha was brilliant in KD 👏

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I second you . You have actually put everything so clearly that I can’t help but agree with everything you said .

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Thanks for this awesome analysis.

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Originally posted by: Sairat

Hi Everyone,


So I just saw a post on forum , about Pakhi and Aishwarya as different people, one is character other is an actor playing it, both are different, Audience understands that, than whats the problem?


For this we have to understand Patralekha Salunke/Chavan.

Has a character like hers not been written before, No there has been.Her character in original version matches that of KashiBai from Bajirao Mastani, the only difference is here she is the GF rather than Wife.

She is strong , independent, urban girl who knows the practicalities of life.She dreams like any other girl but is not delusional.She can see the difference between right and wrong, truth and mirage..In KD, it was Rupkotha who knew before anyone else , that understood Rono's feelings for Imon, its a different story how she utilised this information.

The one dialogue which can explain her character is:

"Aap humse hamari zindagi maang lete hum aapko khushi khushi de dete ... par aapne toh humse hamara guroor cheen liya"

For Patralekha , its not about love, its about her right as a first lover, where her lover gave her the word for eternity.Its about her guroor not dil...not love..

She does not want to be Virat's wife but his love does not matters to her, what matters is by principle , by his word the claim of being "The One"


Later, when she is denied time and again with that claim ; she gets more delusional day by day, it almost starts when Virat and Sai confess to each other.


Now, whats wrong why in this version almost nobody can sympathise with Patralekha's character?

I will give you an example in KD, with Chilli grinding scene, when Imon made Rupkotha grind chilli as a retribution, Rono did not supported Rupkotha, but the sympathy for her did not came from there.The feelings with which Rupkotha sat to grind the chilli, than was grinding the chilli, the emotions were felt across the screen.Not even hardcore Imon fans were able to derive pleasure, from her chilli grinding and others wdre able to sympathise with her.


Check out Ranajay's Feelings For Iman? on Hotstar! https://www.hotstar.com/ca/1000115191


But in Ghkkpm,the dialogues leading to the grinding episode were same, but when Aishwarya enacted that scene i felt nothing, not even the happiness that I should have felt as Sai fan to see her grind chilli.That's why when Makers added the scene of Virat applying ice, all the pent up frustation went to the charqcter of Virat, bashing him left right and center.


Check out Sai Teaches Pakhi a Lesson on Hotstar! https://www.hotstar.com/ca/1000257089


You guys can compare yourself.


The problem in this version is the actress playing the role, I started with the first episode just out of curosity was her acting always this way and also saw her previous work,( shocking but she is good in them).Even in the the intro episode, i get the hint of character ofPatralekha is from her acting, the potrayal is just right.The problem starts after she returns from camp; since then the Pakhi starts coming across tp me as delusional and its not the case with either of the 2 versions.Pakhi comes across as delusional , cheating spouse, the vamp in this version because her character is not being potrayed properly.

Either Aishwarya does not know what she is supposed to be potraying or she has not understood the depth of the character.

Because Patralekha's flaw is not delusion its her guroor/ her thought process of having the first right.. delusion comes later as an aftermath of her flaw not at the starting.

In both versions, Satya and Rupkotha wanted to go on trip , because they thought they had the first claim not because they wanted to share their shikwa's.Also, Satya and Rupkotha both had a meltdown; but the meltdown was graceful here it was shown on a level of mental instability.

I saw Aishwarya's acting and though she is not so skilled but so was Ayesha at the start of the show; but we all have witnessed how she has improved, the same cannot be said about Aishwarya; it only seems her expressions became limited and thats the reason in a well enacted scene she stands out like a sore thumb like in Mohit Kaku food scene.


Patralekha , Sai and Virat are all very deep characters and actors playing them cannot forget this; because like now when even one character cannot play their part well , the story line and angle changes.Like now, so Patralekha character is not potrayed right the other characters supporting Patralekha are also questioned because the character is not reaching across.


In other versions the character of Bhavani Kaku , Ninad and Omi are not considered so vile as the reasons of supporting dither get justified or sympathised due to the character potrayal of Rupkotha and Satya.

Thus, in future when they becoming understanding of Sai's character;it does not come out as a sudden 180° change ,rather a gradual process, because they do not stop supporting Patralekha.

But right now, how the story is going with Patralekha's potrayal, the audience will be confused and would call them names as it would seem they are becoming "thali ka baigan" which will lead the audience to lose interest in show.


Now for our dear friend FruitCustard who is a She😅😂


The reason why Virat get bashed left, right and center; I agree with you Neil Bhatt is an exemplary actor and he has understood his character better than anyone else, that might be the reason that Virat's potrayal is better even than the original versions; his story reaches across the audience loud and clear.

If it his only his scenes ; but the problem starts when it's a Virakhi Scene:

The potrayal of Patralekha ; to be honest is nowhere near the mark and further downline.

So in a scene where Patralekha enters Sairat room while they are in argument (is not right in any version , reel or real life) but he has given Pakhi to barge in as a friend, in other versions both Rupkotha and Satya enters the room with the high handed feeling of my claim is first and Sai has her insecurities because that is her character, so in a frame all three are understood and Virat is not name called so much.

But in GHKKPM, Patralekha when enters the Sairat room or any "Sairat scene" she potrays "Pyaar ka Haq" instead of "Guroor"; it just not only spoils the visaulization of her character but of Virat's as well.

As an aftermath, she is visualized as a delusional cheating spouse and Virat get the brunt because it looks for Virat that woh uske behaviour ko badawa de raha hai(because nobody yold Neil that the potrayal of Pakhi has changed😅)


During Sairat Scenes he is bashed for calling Sai badtameez but actually he is not wrong according to script, but Ayesha though is working hard for living and breathing Sai, maybe due to her demeanour she is atmost comes across brutalky honest with tinge of rudeness.But in her comparision the actress playing Imon was living and breathing definition of Rudeness in character as it was written.j

So when Rono called her badtameez it was still digestable, because she would do actual shouting or badtameezi.

Here Ayesha us a more subdued form of Imon so Sai comes across as rude but not badtameez.


Coming back to Patralekha : the actress playing the role should now concentrate on her charecter rather than the IV's because she has some serious catching up and also because its a remake, audience already have a lot of expectations because Rupkotha and Sathya were a class in themselves, they carried and understood there character as a Parallel Lead not the daily soap vamp.


If Aishwarya is not recieving the response from audience; that she was hoping for its time she introspects why?? Rather than blaming the audience to be of Hypocrites!!! she needs to look at the episodes and her potrayal of character from audience point of view.


Completely in Sync with your thoughts and the way you put it across.

In the other version (Especially Bengali), Roopkatha was a class. Whenever she was on screen and she had that attitude and grace in the body language. In the hindi version that is missing.

Especially that scene, where she asks him to hand over his clothes to pack in one suitcase did not come across as cringeworthy, here it was not enacted well especially by Pakhi - It came across as an indecent proposal.

And i completely agree, since Pakhi's character is not portrayed/emoted well the blame shifts to Virat's character. Where he comes across as giving badhava to her.

Either its not written well, but since the dialogues are copied most of the time its the execution which is not done correctly.

The added scenes which are there those are to put some point across, which comes from Virat's end but since the other party lacks the conviction, the scenes fall flat.

And you are absolutely right, she is not supposed to be the Vamp, she is actually a third/parallel lead. But she does not come across as something is a miss.

Yes here Sai's character though outspoken is not rude but she is at times but does not yell like Emon.

Virat is more emotional than Rono i guess and it works for him at times.

But Virat being emotional and Pakhi behaving delusional, the combination is disastrous, don't know if they have realized this yet. So when they speak in the IV's their understanding is right but the portrayal especially Pakhi's is extremely wrong.

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i fully agree that aish is not capable of playing a character like pakhi, and the way the writers are forcing her into more screen-time is not helping either.


pakhi could have been the most complex character out of the 3 if she was played well. the audience could have even sympathized with her but where things are right now, she comes off as a comedy act smiley44


there is still time for things to be fixed (the show is barely past 100 episodes) but i won't hold my breath....

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