Laksmi not at fault :)

Although I agree with some of the stuff written about Laksmi in various posts, I think we all have forgotten the way Karan treated Lakshmi in the past. Her so called arrogance is what saved her from crumbling under all the sadistic pressure he imposed upon her. Physical marks fade, but ones inflicted on the mind don't! Has everyone forgotten the day when he left Laksmi alone in some place on their supposed honeymoon, basically disappeared while she ran around crying for help or when he locked her up in a room like an animal and left to destroy her family…all that is forgivable?

After Yuvraj's betrayal, the family was already in a vulnerable and weak condition. So when Karan did all this, he was aware of Laksmi's family's bad state... still he refused to back down, refused to even question Suryakant before making all his colorful plans. Is destroying someone, an entire family at that, a game that you don't even think about the consequences or gather sufficient proof before going about doing it?

Had it been someone else who had done all this, they could have been forgiven, but this is her husband we are talking about. Someone in whom she placed blind trust and respect and love and what not, only to find that that person never loved you, and married you only to destroy your family and then finally became an indirect cause of your father's comatose state.

Marriage is a very delicate relationship, built on mutual trust and respect. But once that trust is lost, the relationship is destroyed and it is not easy to mend it (not the same as family…. One always forgives parents and siblings no matter what…That's the way it is and will always be). In this case, Laksmi's trust in Karan has broken. At the present, Karan's face is a constant reminder for Laksmi of her father's condition. Maybe once Suryakant is well we can expect Laksmi to forgive Karan.

About saving her from getting raped, that was his duty as a human being. I think it is very sad that we are considering it to be a favor in return of which we expect Laksmi to forgive and forget. I don't think Laksmi needs to feel like she is indebted to him.

And finally, her family cannot convince her to forgive Karan coz they did not go through what Lakshmi did. It would be very insensitive on their part to say that woh tumhara pati hai, use maaf kardo. This has to be Laksmi choice which she will make in her own time. What Laksmi went though during her marriage to Karan is any woman's worst nightmare, so I say we cut her some slack [just my opinion of course :)]

so none of this was meant to offend anyone .. sorry if it did :)

Absolutely no offense taken. You have looked at things in another light, and that is good for the rest of us. However, I have to respectfully disagree on some points:

1) Karan was sadistic with her verbally. He did not hit her or berate her as a person. What he did was NOT right, and it is not acceptable. However, as Lakshmi knew, Karan spent his whole life believing Suryakant was responsible for his father's suicide. She could have left and told Bapuji about Karan's plans. She could have left Karan's home altogether. But Lakshmi CHOSE to stay. I think the two love each other a lot, and this is something both could get past.

2) Why do people blame Karan for what happened to Suryakant? Yes, he humiliated L's father. Yes, he almost had him put in jail, in his mind justice. He did not put a gun to Suryakant's head and say, "Walk like an idiot down the middle of the road." I think you'll say but Karan's actions gave him a shock and as a result Karan is responsible for what happened to S. I never agreed with people on this. Karan is repenting and genuinely is taking steps to help the Garodias.

3)About saving her from rape is a human duty. Let me tell you that many women would not have been raped if people had done their human duty. A rapist is bad, a hero is good. Please don't forget that if Karan had not cared for her and not followed her in Mumbai, Lakshmi would be in a terrible state. K's actions here should count for something and he should be applauded. Her family or other men in her family did not care to accompany her; K did.

4) You know marriage is a different relationship, I give you that. In time, the love of husband and love of family become roughly equal. If a brother cheats his family, kicks everyone out, does not help his father or family in getting the surgery completed, what does it make him: A bas***d brother. Unforgivable. Even when it comes to family, your standards (ethics) of fair play are applied equally to differentiate between good and bad, right and wrong, etc. Yes, many people forgive family first; many don't.

The reason I dislike L so much is because she sees all that Karan has done--good and bad--and still treats him such contempt and says what he did is unforgivable. Well, Miss Lakshmi Know-It-All should know that she too makes mistakes. I hate that she continues to break his heart, even though she knows he has changed. Instead, she throws the past, and misinterpretation thereof, at his face and never gives him any respect. Lakshmi is venomous.

aj86 ..here r some answers to ur very excellent points.
Karans horrible sadistic behaviour : No , no one has forgotten how she fell in the sand, was treated in the house , verbally abused by him....we have not forgotten that.
but we also havent forgotten that it was just the matter of one phone call or one meeting with her maaykawaalas and simply telling them that Karan is in reality Karan Mathur and under a terrible misunderstanding ....the best person to clear it was her Bapuji who was being accused. Ignoring a simple solution and letting the whole thing fester was Laxmi's choice aj86. At the most what wud have happened? Karan wud have yelled at Surya....Surya wud have called Rasik over and the whole thing wud have been out on the table. Till the last moment, this girl kept quiet , watching Karan throw her dad in one trap after another....is this acceptable to any normal viewer ? Karan had not known that she wud hide from her family . What he had expected was that she wud go crying to her family and Surya wud be shocked seeing who he has married his darling daughter off to.But being tough and not saying a word was a kind of a silly immature challenge that she took inspite of knowing that her husband has not had a normal childhood....has suffred a lot of pain and is in a state of rage as his mother is a living corpse ! It was a ridiculous way of handling a solution.....the so called pain that Karan inflicted on her cud be easily avoided if she had left him and gone to stay with her maayka at that point itself. so much guts she is showing now....why didnt she do the sensible thing then ? Her father wud be saved, her marraige wud be saved, everything wud be ok ! Leading on her dad to believe she had a fine marraige till the last moment and shocking him like this was something she did. Honestly tell me, if Karans mom had not woken up...what wud she have done ? Nothing ! Are you seriously justifying her silence ? All we r saying today is ....let her accept her share of responsibility in Suryas matter ....and it is a lion's share !

The point of being indebted to Karan for saving her from the rape attempt and forgiving him in return. Yes , undoubtedly , it was a human thing to do and Karan did it as a duty. But the fact that he followed her all the way from Rajpipla to mumbai , leaving his business behind was no duty bound act. that too , after she has puposefully gone to his office , flung money on his face publicly , sent signed divorce papers to his house....there is no compulsion for Karan to do all this u know. There is no need for all this guilt if he chooses to be arrogant....remember Yuvraj ....how he refused to be guilty on Diwali day when Saraswati called him over for peace making and Surya ranted at him ? He bluntly told his father I keep quiet doesnt mean I am guilty or I take any nonsense from u ! Also the fact remains that Karan brot Surya home in the first place....or they wud have no Surya !
And yes one more thing. Surya , although in comatose state today , has done some very bad things in his life before he learnt his lesson and changed. Marrying another woman, disrespecting his first wife, not giving his daughters full love simply as they r girls, listening to that crooked Menaka and Rasik were not wise choices and his choices affected many peoples lives adversely . It was his choice to listen to Rasik and not give Raman Mathur a fair hearing ....that led to the tragedy ! So although Rasik has been legally punished , morally , Suryas responsibility for Karans fathers sucide does not go away by Laxmi's own logic which she today throws in his face ! If she can understand the men in her family and forgive them [ Surya and Yuv] why not karan is our simple question ! Compared to them , he has a better case !

totallly agree with u guys [:P]

wow..u guyzz write too much and so true 😃

thanks saadia...ur always there , reading our posts .

thx for the interesting replies guys!!
gp00, I totally agree with you that what Karan did for Laksmi was pretty noble (following her in Mumbai part)... All I am saying is that its not a reason enuff to expect Laksmi to forgive him. She did go near him probably to thank him, but hearing his overly optimistic comments to his mum she prbbly forgot about the thank you and launched into the 'give divorce/cant be forgiven' speech ...having said that, I do think Laksmi should have appreciated him, if not thanked, for all that he had done for her. But forgiveness is asking for too much, I feel..

koolsadhu1000, ... I completely agree about Laksmi being at fault here as well. I remember yelling at the TV i.e. the sisters to open their mouths instead of making stupid secret plans that always seemed to fail. But then I realized that they were just staying true to their personalities. They love to hide worrisome things from their parents and always have... It's a character flaw present in all 4 sisters, especially in Laksmi and Saras .. so they prbbly don't even realise it, which in turn explains why Laksmi refuses to take some of the blame upon herself

Now as an objective viewer [that's what I like to think I am :D), I do see that what Karan did can be forgiven and that Laksmi's behaviour is a little too drastic and I will also concede that she is not completely blameless .... but when I think from Laksmi's POV I can't help but sympathize with her...Its hard for her to be objective as she sees her father everyday... and no matter how big of a tyrant/fool he was, it must be quite painful to see him in that comatose state and knowing that her husband had a role (I say this in very loose terms) in causing it definitely does not help. Plus she also feels that had he just listened to her, [hard to get proof and all for an incident that had no eye witnesses or anything u kno], all this would not have happened...So I think that pain is translating into meanness towards Karan... so maybe once the father is well, all will be well imo :)

i believe this is a stale mate!!! lol i do love karan n laxmi want them together but i also understand that they have had their ups and downs!!! oh well we shall seee where the story leads!!!!

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p.s nice points made!!!

Originally posted by: Bee3nazz

i believe this is a stale mate!!! lol i do love karan n laxmi want them together but i also understand that they have had their ups and downs!!! oh well we shall seee where the story leads!!!!

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p.s nice points made!!!

I agree with this statement. As angry as I am with Laxmi right now, I don't think this is her permanent state, and therefore I don't think it's fair to judge her by this particular track. She has had some really spectacular moments throughout the serial. So she finally fumbled. Oh well. I'd rather watch that than watch those sacrificial lamblike goddesses that seem to be the popular choice among serial-watchers.

There's no doubt that Lax is behaving like a complete fool, and she has done more harm to her father than Karan did. As has been stated, Karan was not directly responsible for Surya's condition, but Laxmi is definitely responsible for waiting so *#&!ing long to get his treatment done. He could have been cured weeks ago with a positive outcome. Instead she left her father comatose and now his health is in danger. This is inexcusable; if my father were in that state, I'd rob a bank to cure him. Her father should have been her first priority.

At the same time, I can understand the kind of mental scars inflicted on her by what Karan did to her. Locking her up, abandoning her, not to mention cheating on her (not really, but she never found out the truth)...even pretending to murder her. These are forms of torture. Of course it was stupid of her not to tell anyone and there's no use in glamorizing such behavior, but at the end of the day, it's Karan who decided that this was the best way to handle things. Just as Lax could have told her family, Karan could have confronted them. He could have taken them to court. He could have asked his useless mother herself. Why didn't he get her treatment? He certainly had the money for it.

But what he did made absolutely no sense. What kind of person plots to torture and destroy a man and his family with NO SOLID EVIDENCE? To me it is quite disturbing that Karan is capable of that, and it will take a lot more than just paying some money and beating up a few guys to clear his name. Finding Surya was a strong start.

So at the end of the day, both of them have had their ups and downs, and there's no use saying Lax should have done this, or Karan should have done that. I just don't think either character is "worse" or more irritating than the other. Before, Karan was the bad guy. Now Laxmi is. But we all know that her "negative" track will end soon, just as Karan's did, so there's no use getting tensed about it.

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wow...i never thoughnt about those things...lets just forget it...and wait what happens next