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Posted: 15 years ago
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Hey everyone I am back with the discussion of this week :P...kk so how is everyone doing? good?
alright so the discussion questions for this week would be....
Why is izzat or honour so important for people living in rural areas that they do not see that their own are suffering due to injustice?
Why does Brij has so much power...that he can whack anyone he like whenever he like? Shouldn't the elders interfere?
I know this phenemon does not only exist in rural areas but in urban and even abroad as well! Have you guys read Rani and Sukh by Bali Rai? It's a really good book about love and vengence...and I think it relates a lot to Channi and Gaj (something something) story as well! Do you have any recommendation on how to stop such atrocities? I mean if you can't stop them in a Western country such as Canada...what are the hopes?
Even though Maan saw that Geet was locked he still blamed her for decieving him...what is your opinion on that? why did he still blame her when he could clearly see that she was in danger as well!
- Sumaiya
p.s. feel free to create more questions as the discussion goes along
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dilkario thumbnail
Posted: 15 years ago
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My opinion;

General

I think it's someting cultural (that lays in the old times and traditions, to surive, protect the bloodline).

If somebody have a good name reputation, you can trust him and invest in a good relationship (think about trade, wedding relationships in India, China).

Even today, respect (family reputation, pride) is very important in some cultures.

About your first question

The people in rual areas are often poor. Their honour is their most value thing.

And I think, that the question is not, that they don't see injustice dear. They do see it, unfortunately they don't act in the most cases against it.

So, they see injustice, but they don't have the courage or the power for some reason to do something about it (to fight for insaaf). Or the same honor, they want to protect (or keep high) doens't allow them to improve their own condtions.

Second question
About Brij, he is a male and the heir of the Handa family.
In this storyline, the men have the power to take desicions in the family.

But I think, his family has spoiled him to much and give him too much freedom. If they had given him some 'tapper' in his childhood and teach him some respect for women, then he would act diffrent today to women.

I din't read the book, but it sounds nice. If it also availble in the English languge, I will read it ;)

Some people live still in the past, while the rest of the world do live in the present.
Their is miscommunication between elders and young people with other opnions about their lives, dreams.

To stop such atrocities, I think tradtions have to change and more education for everybody.
So everybody can understand each other more and respect their opinions and their right to chose for themselves (their job, bride ect).

To act different, you must first change your view, the way you think about things in your life.

Third question
I think Maan is right in his view. Your only have to look his side of the story. The poor fellow did thought that he bought land from Geet (from Dev as dealer) he has got the offical documents of the zameen.
(It was a mistake of geet's family to give Dev the papers and give geet's signature).
Ofcource, he will think that Geet doesn't want to give him the zameen back and wants more paisa.

And the time, that he found Geet, she was already free of the ropes.
He only found her locked in a room, so he couldn't see, that her live was in danger.

To prove her innocence to Maan, Geet must first find Dev and get a confession that he didn't deceive her only but also Maan.

If she can convice Maan of this, than he will help her.




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Posted: 15 years ago
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nice topic bhootni
Clearly the men of that household has lost their marbles. they should be concern more abt Geet but all they care is their izzat. they blame her when they should be there for her.
What good is that izzat where your own family is hurt and suffering
fianlly today Brij's mom spoke up...she said what should have been said long time ago
gurwinder told that the whole village is messed cause of Brij. what should Brij care
who channi marries...it has nothing to do with him
i think the only way it can be stopped is when the women start standing up for themselves.
have equal say in evertything.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: ilive2laugh

nice topic bhootni
Clearly the men of that household has lost their marbles. they should be concern more abt Geet but all they care is their izzat. they blame her when they should be there for her.
What good is that izzat where your own family is hurt and suffering
fianlly today Brij's mom spoke up...she said what should have been said long time ago
gurwinder told that the whole village is messed cause of Brij. what should Brij care
who channi marries...it has nothing to do with him
i think the only way it can be stopped is when the women start standing up for themselves.
have equal say in evertything.

I know! tell me about it! how good is that izzat when people suffer!....and I agree Gurinder was right...Brij is the cause of all trouble!
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Posted: 15 years ago
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😔Even educated people act in such manners from urban areas???

Then I must agree with you and ilive2laugh,
some old traditions must be change in such a way, that it won't cause trouble for anybody.

But the question then will be; can and will people change their old traditions ( that is very preciouse for them)?

I do believe in equal rights for females. They are humans too (no animals) and they have the full right to make their own choices and decisions.

😊 In the most country's there are already euqal rights for men and females.



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Posted: 15 years ago
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Great topic, Sumi

Why is izzat or honour so important for people living in rural areas that they do not see that their own are suffering due to injustice?

I agree with Dilkario here. Its has more to do with poverty. And honor is the most valuable thing for them. Moreover, people are scared to go against the flow, for the fear of social ostracism. No wonder, honor killings are still prevalent. And you have Khap panchayats still dictating terms.

Why does Brij has so much power...that he can whack anyone he like whenever he like? Shouldn't the elders interfere?

Its more to go with the male ego here. Women are treated as dirt in rural sectors of the north. If it was a son, instead of Geet here, the reactions would have been completely different. Women need to take a stand. Why don't the women of the house stop him.

w.r.t the show, Maan is definitely prejudiced here.

The show may be a work of fiction, but the situations are quite real. Post marital abandonment, honor killings, etc. Sometimes, fact is stranger than fiction.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Why is izzat or honour so important for people living in rural areas that they do not see that their own are suffering due to injustice?

even im fustrated wid this...buh i guess mostly in rural areas ppl thinks a girl is a pet.......she always has to obey her elders...and do wat she told.....shez not allowed to stand for her own.....

I think ppl shud rlly get out of this...

Why does Brij has so much power...that he can whack anyone he like whenever he like? Shouldn't the elders interfere?

well.....for mee..........hez an animal😆..........and i dunno why dadji...doesnt say him anything......😕


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Posted: 15 years ago
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Izzat or honor a word with beautiful meaning and and nature but not only in rural areas but even in well civilized planned educated fast pace cites in south asia the masses manipulate its meaning its value its right place ....power normally dominates in such cases over honor .

Men are more dominating and powerful in our society so no matter what they do families like "Handa" will support them as they are their assets and as far concern to girls for them they are not more than a decorative item which can be serve as showpiece to the outsiders ...or a maid to clean the home and do house hold. House hold for women is most respectful thing to do ..and men are naturally meant for earning the live hood but things get worst when such families start taking women as not more than "Pair ki jooti" this is shame .... woman is blessing as daughter ... life partner as a wife , honor as sister and heaven as mother ...respect them .

Regards, Mrs. Ahmed Raza
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Posted: 15 years ago
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its a sad, sore, heinous reality of the Indian Mindset, which is more prevaklent in rural than urban thouigh
if the daily gruesome reports of "honour killings" of couples are any testimony, then it would suffice to say that people of the suburbans, especially in backward North Indian states are prominently sacrificial to this "izzat" which they have been taught to guard jealously as the family's heirloom...
in a family such as Geet's where the elders are so clearly misogynistic, this question of "izzat" becomes more rigrous than ever.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Why is izzat or honour so important for people living in rural areas that they do not see that their own are suffering due to injustice?
yeah its weird all they care about is izzat, but i really doubt men like Brij exist in real.
Why does Brij has so much power...that he can whack anyone he like whenever he like? Shouldn't the elders interfere?
yeah, they should but they don't. None of them say anything as if hes the king of the house.
I know this phenemon does not only exist in rural areas but in urban and even abroad as well! Have you guys read Rani and Sukh by Bali Rai? It's a really good book about love and vengence...and I think it relates a lot to Channi and Gaj (something something) story as well! Do you have any recommendation on how to stop such atrocities? I mean if you can't stop them in a Western country such as Canada...what are the hopes?
i haven't read the book so can't say much.
Even though Maan saw that Geet was locked he still blamed her for decieving him...what is your opinion on that? why did he still blame her when he could clearly see that she was in danger as well!
well the family have a bad reputation in front of maan atleast. so considering that he may have thought that geet is involved in all this too, so u can't really blame him.

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