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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: Naach_Basanti



Hi Shona_li. Hope you are well. You make some good points. Irrespective of IF rules an adaption cannot be carried out without permission from the original author and publishing house. Adaptation is a form of plagiarism too.



Originally posted by: Krani

Hi Shona_li!

You have raised some valid points as well!

I think in terms of paraphrasing and adaptation, IF has made it clear that they aren't open to it.

I think this accusation of plagiarism stems from two things:

1) She did not credit at the start - doesn't matter if you paraphrase or if you copy word for word, you have to credit. AngelTeen had raised a valid point in my discussion with her, that when you are writing a story and if the idea is not yours you always credit.
A writer such as Gargee who has written several (amazing) stories in the past, who has had her work plagiarised (with and without credit given), has asked for that work to be removed, will know how crucial it is.


2) The whole essence of the prologue is exactly the same as the one in the book. Yes, she may not have written it word for word, however Khushi sitting up, drawing her knees to her chest, Arnav looking at her, lying at his side - even the start of the story was exactly the same.

Her new prologue is very different to the story, and if that had been the case at the start, this would not have happened.

Also, a lot of other writers have been accused of even smaller things than this by adhering to the rules presently active.
I think DT needs to establish a ground set of rules for everyone to abide by. Inspiration Vs plagiarism has always been a very thin line, and as you may have noticed already, we had a lengthy discussion about it :)


~K



Fair points well made! :)

What I understand from the discussions is that the amount of faithfulness that has been followed by Gargee to the original text is not permissible. I would agree it's close to 100% in that sense.

My concern lies with adapting a work. Say we assume the author has credited the source material and author for their inspiration, the difference between an adaptation (which I presume here deriving from both of your responses means an exact replica of the sequence of events in a story) and inspiration isn't clear enough (edit: forgot to add this in :P). Works can be loosely adapted, say for instance, I want to write a story of Arnav and Khushi going to Hogwarts and I credit JK Rowling and IPK for those universes. Arnav is going to have Harry's obstacles and tribulations, but his character, his relationships and his thoughts are not the same. They are IPK-like. In essence, it is a cross-over fanfic borrowing their plot lines faithfully but I have mashed the two. Is this a concern for plagiarism? Because I've basically Arshi-fied the Harry Potter story and inserted those characters there. People can identify that I'm not passing this work off my own, and while I'm following the sequences of events faithfully (adaptation or inspiration? thin line too?), it is not the same as the book series.

I guess the point I'm trying to drive home here is, the degree of faithfulness in an adaptation is arbitrary and subjective. This concept, putting Gargee's case aside, needs to be clearer. She not only paraphrased 100% of the text, she followed the exact sequence of events. That case is open and shut. However for rule-setting, not every case is going to be as clear cut as hers. Where do we draw the line? As Krani pointed out, there is a very thin line between inspiration/adaptation versus plagiarism. The danger here is knowing which one of the categories you are in. There needs to be more clarity on this, and I don't think we've achieved that just yet.

And no, I'm not going to write that fic as much as I love HP and IPK. 😆
Edited by shona-li - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
I think we can agree here that we need a code/ policy document that outlines what plagiarism is. its a murky line and the information we have on the internet isn't entirely clear either.

With regards to your HP questioon, you can borrow the HP characters and settings and put Arhi in there to say a story. But if you used say Arnav in place of Harry Potter and Kushi in place of Hermione and Akash as Ron then that is is clear case of plagiarism in the form of adaptation.

So that's the gripe here, the existing story in its current form has the same sequence of events and words and the only inspiration is expressed in the form of change in the name of the characters.
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: Naach_Basanti

I think we can agree here that we need a code/ policy document that outlines what plagiarism is. its a murky line and the information we have on the internet isn't entirely clear either.

With regards to your HP questioon, you can borrow the HP characters and settings and put Arhi in there to say a story. But if you used say Arnav in place of Harry Potter and Kushi in place of Hermione and Akash as Ron then that is is clear case of plagiarism in the form of adaptation.

So that's the gripe here, the existing story in its current form has the same sequence of events and words and the only inspiration is expressed in the form of change in the name of the characters.



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And NK has to be Ron. Come on 😉
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Posted: 12 years ago


reading the previous posts, okay it is true that Gargee didn't copy word by word, but the concept was the same, the emotions were the same, even if they were written with different words.

I think what made ??many people go mad was the fact that she didn't give credit to the original author from the beginning, but she done it later (at least this is what was reported) and in my opinion it is not right to write the same concept and not thank the original author.

Another point, I don't get why there is the need to write or adapt a story with the same events like in a film or a book, just with the little difference that the main characters are Arshi or any other TV couple! When I as a reader would do first in watching the movie or read the book, imagining Arnav and Khushi instead of the main protagonists. Instead of waiting for the author to update it.

For me paraphrase a book is not right, you should not do, because it is true that you're not copying word by word, but you're writing down exactly the same thing but with different words. And that is called plagiarism.

I read a lot of stories of a very good writer, she/he writes stories inspired by books but often between the book and her/his stories I have never found anything similar, except a little bit of the concept, not the whole concept but the only things like: hatred between the two main characters, a complicated love etc..

She never writes the same events, the story is never set as in the book , the dialogues,the emotions and the writing stile are completely different from the book. This I consider inspiration and this author always credit the book and the author before starting to write.


I think IF need good rules, otherwise we will have otehr cases like this.

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Posted: 12 years ago
Point One -
The laws on plagiarism are unclear because it is considered a moral crime, as opposed to a criminal or civil crime. There are no CLEAR laws on plagiarism, because the makers faced similar questions as we are facing right now -- how much is too much? It is considered to be a "moral crime" leading to expulsion in the academic and journalism circles. A case of plagiarism is different from a case of copyright infringement, even though the event is same. In the case of Gargee and her story, it is a case of copyright infringement and not plagiarism.
Now, moving on to point two,
In this case, it is a clear case of copying the text, word-to-word. This work cannot be defined as an adaptation. We cannot say for certain why Gargee has done it, and if I am up to date with the events in this case, the accused chapters in question have been edited. I think the author should give an explanation as to why she had put up the original work, when it was well within her capabilities to write something on her own. Going by Semanti's point -- we need to give her, and the rest, a chance to defend themselves. Because let us face it, Gargee has proved her credibility in the past. But going by the past, we cannot say the event of Gargee feeling the urge to copy somebody's work is not possible. We don't know what was going on in her mind, why not wait for her to come and clarify herself?
Point Three -
I feel it is time that a committee was formed, which would look into drawing guidelines for the whole forum to look up to, to define plagiarism, adaptation and inspiration. The definition of these three words changes from person to person in this forum, and it is time some uniformity was bought in. Only then can we hope to purge plagiarism completely, atleast from this forum.
Vandana
Edited to add --
I think that once a story is under the scanner for suspected plagiarism, it should be locked down so the author does not have a chance to go back and edit the portions and later on shrug and say "I don't know what you're talking about" 😆. Since we are dealing with a crime (albeit not punishable by the law, but a crime all the same), we should follow proper proceedings.
Edited by V323 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago

okay now i have a question which is not related with anything how i'm supposed to know if I added a particular person to my buddy list or this person added me?? I have to know because something is getting on my nerves and i want to solve it as soon as poosible otherwise i will became a b***h


And another question there is a way to arrest people from sending pms with their stories when they are not in my buddy list, this is getting too much i can't read so much.
For heaven's sake stop pming i'm not a robot i have a life

Edited by HK90 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
^ i think only way to prevent this is to block the person 🤔

if the person add you then her name will be shown in the pending list of your buddy box... and if you have added her (or accepted her buddy request in the past) her name will be there in your friends list.
Edited by appy_indy-KD - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago

@ Vee great points IF as to make better rules and explain the dirrefence between inspiration and adaptation, and the extent to which a story can be paraphrased. And as you said we need people who can look at these types of cases, people who will be always available.

Btw i'm thinking why Gargee didn't give an explaination till now 🤔 i mean she edited the prologue but she didn't said anything stange 😕 😕
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: HK90


okay now i have a question which is not related with anything how i'm supposed to know if I added a particular person to my buddy list or this person added me?? I have to know because something is getting on my nerves and i want to solve it as soon as poosible otherwise i will became a b***h


And another question there is a way to arrest people from sending pms with their stories when they are not in my buddy list, this is getting too much i can't read so much.
For heaven's sake stop pming i'm not a robot i have a life

Ask them not to send you PM's/block them/remove them from buddy lists
All this usually works 😆
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: appy_indy-KD

^ i think only way to prevent this is to block the person 🤔


but they are not my buddies 😕

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