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hansa22

@hansa22

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Posted: 9 years ago

#171

Hellooo... lovely weekend discussions all. 👏. Am still reading ..so have nothing much to contribute, except on the spoiler:

The convo between RGD and Swarna was an indication that her story will come up soon. Am glad especially after seeing the pre-cap. i don't want them to rush the love story of RAGA. At least, if there is basic trust and respect for each other that would be a great beginning! Through Swarna's track, both RGD and Ranaji will probably realise they do have similar values.

Now it is clear, RAGA as a couple has takers, so they will have the guts to weave stories around other interesting characters in the Royal palace.

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BertieWooster

@BertieWooster

Voyager

Posted: 9 years ago

#172

Originally posted by: sv2611
Hellooo... lovely weekend discussions all. 👏. Am still reading ..so have nothing much to contribute, except on the spoiler:

The convo between RGD and Swarna was an indication that her story will come up soon. Am glad especially after seeing the pre-cap. i don't want them to rush the love story of RAGA. At least, if there is basic trust and respect for each other that would be a great beginning! Through Swarna's track, both RGD and Ranaji will probably realise they do have similar values.

Now it is clear, RAGA as a couple has takers, so they will have the guts to weave stories around other interesting characters in the Royal palace.

Indeed it was always a track that was in the offing, like you've pointed out!

What is happening with Swarna is tragic but something that is very relevant to today's context. Domestic violence is a very serious concern and marital rape an undeniable reality. They've taken it a step further where they're bringing in the angle of a husband unable or unwilling to consummate the relationship resorting to compelling the wife to sleep with another man just so they can beget an heir! This is not so unusual either! Am really glad this track is coming up!

RNJ and Gaythri share a common love in Swarna. Both care for and are committed to her welfare. So it is obvious that this will be yet another plank that will unite them and strengthen their relationship.

What interests me here is the stand of RM. She is a modern woman who may not advise any woman to take nonsense but she is also a royal who is very conscious of her social image and status. How comfortable will she with the lid being blown off Lakshraj's sexual orientation or the domestic violence he wreaks on Swarna? Will this bring her into conflict with RNJ and Gayathri? Particularly, if she feels that it is G who is influencing RNJ on this, how will that influence her relationship with Gayathri? Will she feel threatened since her position as the primary influence on her son has now shifted?

This track has a lot of scope to impact all the relationships within the palace and outside. Would really be nice to see this fleshed out well and with the Indravadhan - Gayathri relationship growing from strength to strength!

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simran_singh_24

@simran_singh_24

Rocker

+ 2

Posted: 9 years ago

#173

^Bertie- I think RM will use that as an opportunity to oust the Kunwars and gain the support of Swarna's parents.

Agree, with u that RM will in some stage feel threatened by G's growing influence on the King, especially if they are in conflicts with her ideas.
This show has so much scope!

BTW-on a practical front, IMO the Cvs''ll use Swarna's plight to keep the leads apart, in separate rooms and continue with the nok-jhok. keep the leads physically apart as long as you can is a key strategy in love-stories.😆

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Danseuse

@Danseuse

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Posted: 9 years ago

#174

My congrats to all the writers in this thread for putting forth their opinions so skilfully w/out any prejudice. My apologies too, as I am probably very late in replying to several posts on TV and Feature film as a popular medium and the reason why Finite Series would find more takers.

TV versus Feature Films :

I am an avid movie watcher and serials on TV are always on the back burner, until the subject seems interesting to watch. I hav watched three serials till the end (or on YTube if I missed one) in the last 5 years. Bade Acche Lagte Hain /Kehta Hain Dil -Jee Le Zara and Humsafars. Reason was the concept and direction. While the first spoke about a single 35 year old independent woman in todays society and her marriage journey, the second was about a younger man falling in love and marrying an older woman and the third (we all know!!). The script attracted me to these shows and I realised that after several months, things are not so honky-dory as they should be. But, I keep my expectations to the bare minimum because I love movies too.

TV has a much wider and mature audience today with increasing education and purchasing power. A working woman image, in the last decade, has changed the way relationships are at play. But some clichs would never change. Saas-bahu sagas would still reign in higher TRPs. Kitchen politics (what a world we live in!) is the most sought after by any media or TV audience. While reality shows hav brought in the much required vision and competitive genes that lie in all of us and encourage children to pursue their loved careers, I don't see much change in TV over the last decade.

Movies, on the other hand, hav changed hands. With production houses giving a chance to Newbies to showcase their story and financing them, this last decade has seen a complete transformation in the different types of stories that has unfolded here. From "Kahaani" to "Barfi" to "English Vinglish" to "Queen" to "Piku" to "Talvar", what more are you asking for? 😃

I would always say that if the journey of an actor starts from Theatre, then he dreams of entering Bollywood some day or The Feature Film is his only goal.

Finite Series on Telly

This is what would change the way audience will look at Television. Even reality shows are popular because they are showcased for a few months only. "Reporters" ends tomorrow after a 5 month run. Brilliant script / editing /direction/acting. A beautiful finite series. I hope this is the beginning. Where TRPs don't really matter, only script does.

-Rekha

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DirtyMartini

@Grumpydwarf24

Sparkler

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Posted: 9 years ago

#175

@Rekha I completely concur with what your saying almost always. Reporters had amazing acting and crisp direction. A real revolution for Indian TV. The actor as I said is even considered underrated by many for his career in bollywood. He has a chunk load of critically acclaimed movies under his belt so it was expected from him.

Every point you made about TV versus films is also spot on.

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BertieWooster

@BertieWooster

Voyager

Posted: 9 years ago

#176

Originally posted by: simran_singh_24
^Bertie- I think RM will use that as an opportunity to oust the Kunwars and gain the support of Swarna's parents.

Agree, with u that RM will in some stage feel threatened by G's growing influence on the King, especially if they are in conflicts with her ideas.
This show has so much scope!

Sim, but what if Swarna's parents were snobbish royals who preferred to sacrifice their daughter's happiness/ welfare for the sake of conforming to social norms?

I agree that RM would definitely ally with them if it meant bringing down the Kunwars..!

We never got to see RM's equation with Sula and Sula's influence on RNJ. What we saw was only a coquettish Sula and a besotted Indravadhan! These are areas that the creatives can shed light on without bringing Sula back.

I tell you there is better scope to use Sula for drama if she does not return...hope the creatives are listening 😆

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BertieWooster

@BertieWooster

Voyager

Posted: 9 years ago

#177

@danseuse

Agree with you that it is exciting times for films in India. Because along with the run of the mill stuff, there is a lot of exciting content that is being generated. The good thing is a lot of it is also reaping rewards at the box office.

Saw the first two soaps you mentioned for a brief while before giving up because they got increasingly cliche ridden. Never saw the third nor have I watched the finite series you refer to.

But yes, if scripts are prelocked and cease to be tinkered with to suit TRPs, it will indeed be a blessing to creativity!

And I really don't blame theater actors or any serious actor for not wanting to do TV for long under the present circumstances! This is hardly the place for an actor who is serious about his/her craft!

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simran_singh_24

@simran_singh_24

Rocker

+ 2

Posted: 9 years ago

#178

Originally posted by: BertieWooster

Sim, but what if Swarna's parents were snobbish royals who preferred to sacrifice their daughter's happiness/ welfare for the sake of confirming to social norms?

I agree that RM would definitely ally with them if it meant bringing down the Kunwars..!

We never got to see RM's equation with Sula and Sula's influence on RNJ. What we saw was only a coquettish Sula and a besotted Indravadhan! These are areas that the creatives can shed light on without bringing Sula back.

I tell you there is better scope to use Sula for drama if she does not return...hope the creatives are listening 😆

Interesting point on Swarna's parents Bertie.

I think, they changed Swarna's character a bit from what they introduced in the party.She was a rebel in her own way,when RM told Kokila to rein in her Bahu.She has been sweetened & toned to play the victim I guess.

She was frequenting maika & i assume, they were welcoming her there. It all boils down to where'll a married woman go,if she wants to leave her husband.G has a Govind Seth,who has promised to keep her ,we need to see whether Swarna's family is as progressive/ defiant of the norms of their times.

i would like to see Swarna joining the freedom struggle on her own,sort of a career/life choice & have an unorthodox love-story with someone from INA (yep, bring on another handsome soldier CV)

Please, they can explore RaGA-RM issue w.o going back IMO.I don't want Sula man, in whatever form or flavour.😆

they can just use her murder mystery to further RaGa bond & palace intrigues.

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BertieWooster

@BertieWooster

Voyager

Posted: 9 years ago

#179

Originally posted by: simran_singh_24

Interesting point on Swarna's parents Bertie.

I think, they changed Swarna's character a bit from what they introduced in the party.She was a rebel in her own way,when RM told Kokila to rein in her Bahu.She has been sweetened & toned to play the victim I guess.

She was frequenting maika & i assume, they were welcoming her there. It all boils down to where'll a married woman go,if she wants to leave her husband.G has a Govind Seth,who has promised to keep her ,we need to see whether Swarna's family is as progressive/ defiant of the norms of their times.

i would like to see Swarna joining the freedom struggle on her own,sort of a career/life choice & have an unorthodox love-story with someone from INA (yep, bring on another handsome soldier CV)

Please, they can explore RaGA-RM issue w.o going back IMO.I don't want Sula man in whatever form or flavour.😆

they can just use her murder mystery to further RaGa bond & palace intrigues.

OMG...was thinking on exactly the same lines...they are supposed to meet some rebels, right...I was wondering what if one of them became friends with the royals and started frequenting the palace...and Swarna and he developed a bond...yes, I recall her flirting with some guy at the party with a wine glass in hand...it would be nice to see that Swarna back...I would like to see RNJ and G support Swarna...but I would prefer her to fight her own battle and forge her own path...than for them to tell her what to do...!

No, I did not mean the return of Sula in any form...I was saying it would be interesting to know about the RM - Sula equation in the form of a single dialogue...that would give insights to how she would respond to G's growing influence on RNJ...i think RM is a shrewd manipulator...I don't think she would fight like a typical possessive saas...she would probably look for ways to influence G and through her RNJ...she would want to continue to exercise power ...so long as it is not against her basic principles, don't see G going against RM...power games for the sake of power are not for G...at least not at this stage..!

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simran_singh_24

@simran_singh_24

Rocker

+ 2

Posted: 9 years ago

#180

Originally posted by: BertieWooster

@bold-agree. Swarna put laksh on spot w.o any hesitation during the bomb drama, and they can easily show her as someone choosing to be on the right path, if they want to glorify the FL in helping out. I know,that's how it'll play out.G taking up the cudgels for S. It's all be for the galleries.

Yep, agree on the power struggle, IMO it will be over values& ideologies, between RM-G & RM & RaGa.

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