And I don't care if people criticize J, I think CVs have always shown her very out of character too most of the times but it's just the way this forum's people say it that gets on everyone's nerves- they BASH her, not criticize!!
I find manvi illogical, OTT, unrealistic and very overused type of character most of the time but I don't bash her, I criticize yes, but not BASH that most virmanians do to J most of the time.