Originally posted by: ayesha_80
So...i'm literally on the verge of giving up on this show. NOTHING is making ANY logic to me..."sense" seems to have been thrown outta the window...and what all we see is utterly directionles track.
In the same boat dude... Sense was thrown out the window months ago; specifically around the time where they decided that a three month delay in Manvi finding out the cancer would be good logic-wise.
I'm one of those...who was very much intrigued to know n see how the CVs proceed with the "treatment" of cancer. My own fault...i shouldn't have expected anything. Still..unless we get to see things actually happening...we have a certain amount of "hope".
That applies to everybody: it actually kind of infuriates me how easy it was for myself to get dragged into the show to the point where I'm hating most of it but still the memories of what we once saw still keeps this foolish sense of 'hope' burning.
Yesterday was the day when Manvi's treatment "officially" started. Officially in the sense...that now her illness is known to one n all...no more of that hide n seek...n finally she has been taken to another city to the specialist(s). I was really looking foward to the episode...how things would proceed...how JEEVIKA would now take charge of it all...how Virat will be the sister's strenght at such a cruicial time n so forth.
Correct me if I'm wrong but... hide and seek was a kid's game, right? Then why the hell was it included in this show where they are trying to tackle this, what seems, not that big/serious/important disease called CANCER. The hide and seek game: Mannan initiates, followed by Beeji, Madan, Manvi, Badi Beeji, Pinky/Dabbu, Virat, Viren/Swamini/Vanshika, the Vadhera's then Jeevika. Fair enough, they needed to build it up to the big revelation - but to this extent? They dragged it too much; despite KD's fabulous expressions using her eyes, the revelation itself was almost... mediocre. They built it so much that the only way was down; not even these CVs/writers can defy the laws of physics - whatever goes up MUST come down. (I'll get back to topic now :P)
But what we got in the epi...was nothing but sheer DISAPPOINTMENT for me...on ALL the fronts. I was sooo pissed off that i didn't feel like watching the epi after the first break. ...and i didn't watch too. So, my post is based on only the first part of the episode. I'm sure there would be some very nice behna scenes...and Manvi-Virat scenes too...but since, i haven't watched them...i won't write n analyze them.
I actually watched the whole thing just in the hope that maybe, maybe the writers could redeem themselves. Very nice behna scenes, my foot! It was ridiculous; all we have Manvi doing these days is staring out windows whilst Jeevika's slightly stalkerishly watches from a distance. VirMan are cute as anything and the scenes they do have do fit them just right but none of the scenes today actually fitted together. There was no flaw and no logic (-again that word comes up).
Would love to have your feedback, comments...and especially, would like to know what u guys feel abt the way things are being shown. Sometimes i feel that i'm the only dissatisfied viewer...n maybe, become too critical...but the problem is, i CANNOT watch ANY show without infusing logic in it. Sadly...EHM, initially had this logic...but now it seems to have made a permanent exit from the show.
Personally, I think that somewhere within everyone's minds is a sense of disappointing towards something or the other in regard to the show. For people who have been watching from the 3rd of October 2011, these is a hell of a difference between *those* episodes and the mediocre crap we're seeing today. Logic died the day the patient was not the main priority of the doctor (i.e. Mannan not telling Manvi on the pathetic whims of Beeji).
Starting wid my points...
1. The entry of Dr. Seema Kapoor...if i'm not wrong, she's the same person who guided Virat through to this cancer hospital n specialist...and Jeevika knows about this. Then WHY didn't Jeevika initiate some talk wid her? Something in general...n then be specific about Manvi? Isn't THIS the reason she has come to Mumbai, leaving her hubby n family behind? But chalo...this wasn't such a big issue for me...so, lets proceed further.
Ayesha, you need to remember that Jeevika suffers from chronic amnesia. Logic doesn't follow in that pretty little head - I think it's the effects of being unemployed. Unemployment has so many mental and physical strains on a person and I think Jeevika has become a prime example. Mentally, she can't cope with any of it so her memory's become a sieve: it retains the big bits like her name, she has a sister, things that have been ingrained in that head like the promise to look after Manvi. But, the small bits just flow through: Manvi's cancer, her symptoms etc etc etc. Her bouts of amnesia are both frequent and stupidly timed.
2. The meeting with the doc. I was sooo disapppointed!! I just have one request to the CVs...PLEASE, stop this cancer track, if u can't handle it properly...if u can't understand its sensitivity..n if you just have to show it as some very normal, simple disease. Otherwise too...u're not handling it logically...so, show some drastic end to it or w/e...but plzzz don't play with the patient's emotions. I really hope that NO cancer patient watches this show...coz if they do, i really don't know what effect it might have on them.
its understandable...the doc had to attend to an emergency...and hence, he couldn't devote much time to Manvi. But wait...couldn't the doc examine the girl generally? My life has revolved around docs and i don't know whether its true in every case or not...but it is said that checking even the pulse presents a complete picture for a doc. Here...couldn't the doc examine Manvi's marks, the pale color of her eyes n some other side effects that he must be knowing? The girl has had TWO chemo sessions...what abt them? She is undergoing treatment...taking medicines...the doc never bothered to ask abt them also? Chalo, prolly he read abt them in the file...but there was no need of asking abt them?? And...did he write any tests for her? Or just verbally told the trio that get these n these done?? I dunno...though the doc asked abt the marks, bleeding from nose n all...yet,.that sitting with him was so not convincing for me. Bless my doc...he seems like an angel to me today 😆
Ah, here it goes again; another Indian TV show that undermines the epicness of the Indian health care sector... Have they no shame? How can such a important part of society be devalued and ridiculed to this extent especially since they have a 'medical expert' working behind the scenes with the production team. What really irritated me was in pure desi style, 'The Doctor's busy... Oh, I made a special exception for you - you can go see him, it's not like he can't see you just because of some random, unimportant reason...'
Flipping heck, he has to go for an EMERGENCY surgery! Or am I just being an idiot in thinking that emergency is defined differently in the UK compared to India? You are a doctor, surgery isn't something you just walk in to as if your some sort of God. Isn't it the case that they spend a good half an hour to an hour before any surgery, whether it be emergency or not, just going over the procedure or the patient notes? You don't start looking at a new case just before hand! And that Manvi-Doctor stare down was terrible, urgh, what the heck? Nothing was uttered in that appointment that could be deemed to some point a realistic scene.
And then comes our amnesia queen Jeevika... Okay as much as I love KD, she's pretty much worn that shocked expression for the last three weeks. Surely Jeevika's character has grown/evolved since the cancer revelation. No? My bad, how foolish of me. You're sister is sitting there right next to you and she's just directly and indirectly admitted to a whole load of other symptoms which you had NO idea about and you're not gonna say anything, not gonna react at all? The same with Virat; he's witnessed quite a few of Manvi's bouts but why was he not stepping in and telling the doctor all this when Manvi's staying a mute? (PS: I know he did mention the birthday episode but still, he could elaborated on it, you know coz that's what you do especially if you're going to a specialist - you tell 'em all the knitty gritty little details... - logic thrown out the window again.)
3. After a looong time, i'm writing about the sisters. I know that there are quite a few of u, who watch the show only coz of the Jeevika-Manvi bond...so, my apologies to them before hand.
WHAT kind of a sister's bond is this that the younger sister can't openly talk abt her disease, her pain, her suffering...ONLY coz her elder sister won't be able to take it? Yes, she had been hiding abt her cancer from Jeevika for soo long...but now, Jeevika KNOWS! Then, why is Manvi SCARED to speak abt her condition in front of her? Why did she have to HIDE it?? Ye kaisa rishta hai?
I strongly blv that the love and understanding sisters share... makes them easy to open up wid each other, they can share EVERYTHING wid each other, without hiding anything, without getting scared..without any ifs n buts. Then WHY didn't Manvi speak abt her illness..when the doc was asking her direct questions? Why was she fearing Jeevika's reaction?? Ye kaisa bond hai...that instead of making the younger sister strong...it is making her weak...and HIDE such important symptoms?? I know that in the long run this will again become a point where the sisters will be..."why did you hide this from me, Mannu n all". Haven't we seen that misunderstanding already...then why now...AGAIN??
Please don't say that since JM are like soulmates...J is like a mother to M...hence, that in some way deterred her from speaking. I'm NOT gonna buy this point. If Jeevika IS like a mom to her...she should've KNOWN all this by now...and she should've been discussing this wid the doc herself...telling him abt M getting weak wid every passing day!
EXACTLY! I adore Jeevika and Manvi separately but I have never clicked with the JeeMan bond - yes, I do respect it but deary me, I watch this show and wonder that if all sister bonds were like this than thank God that I don't have sisters. The Beeji-Manvi relationship we saw particularly through the Rokha bit has been imposed onto Jeevika and Manvi. Manvi's almost scared of Jeevika, not because she'll be hurt by the truth but because she fears the backlash from Jeevika. I think that Manvi's past the point where every little thing will hurt Jeevika - we can see that by her reaction to Jeevika's initial response to the revelation - she was just ecstatic that the burden she bore was off of her shoulders and I think the last thing she wants is that burden back. She's scared of Jeevika and what Jeevika will be like, she doesn't like the babying or the roll of cotton wool she's been wrapped around with.
In some ways it kinda reflects Jeevika's progression from sister to mother because when your mum is annoyed, you are scared of her. Manvi here is just like any other child, trying to hide things so that she doesn't get into trouble from her mother figure. But at the same time, motherhood works both ways: a mother picks up the littlest of things and she'll know straight away when somethings not right. When I go to the doctors, my mum's always by my side and before I can even say anything, she's sitting there rattling off all the symptoms etc etc etc. She knows me better than myself so the things that I don't notice, she does and Jeevika really isn't showing that. Once again, I lay this down to her amnesia... This 'mother' avatar is far from complete - there are bits on show but I don't think you could dare call her a mother if half of her is missing.
4. I'm having a MAJORRR problem with the way CVs are taking Jeevika's character...and i seriously feel very bad abt it WHAT on earth is that woman doing...beats me completely. She doesn't know what her sister has been going through?? WHAT has she been reading/searching on the net?? Hasn't she read the effects of cancer on body?? Hasn't she read the effects of chemo...the most difficult therapy?? Doesn't she notice that her sister's hair aren't the same healthy anymore? Doesn't she see the obvious n clearly visible marks on her body?? Doesn't she recall how her sister fainted in Rishikesh?? Giving juice and those cucumbers...is THIS only what her resarch told her? Has she EVER talked to Manvi abt her ILLNESS----her pain, suffering, side effects, her reduced resistance level??
Shouldn't JEEVIKA have stayed back, instead of Virat? Shouldn't SHE have asked that what should be immediately done for the treatment...what the significance of those tests are (which Virat asked)...what is the stage of her cancer...and what abt the chemo sessions etc?
Just widening her eyes in dibelief n shock, as the doc asked those questions from Manvi...which world is Jeevika living?
And the weirdest part is...her shock also disappears in the blink of an eye. As soon as she came out of the doc room...it seemes as if she completely forgot what her sister said abt her bleeding gums, Virat abt her body aches on the night of her b;day...coz Jeevika was SOOO back to normal.
When Virat came out of the doc room...i expected her to rush to him...to ask abt what the doc said...but madam was busy in blushing n smiling!!
Should of read ahead coz half the things I wrote up there ^ would be perfect right here. AMNESIA. Chronic amnesia...You said it, what difference is healthy eating gonna make if the drugs themselves don't work - which she won't know about since she never asked. That is actually something that has really bugged me: why hasn't anyone actually sat with this girl and talked through her cancer with her, actually told her that there are different cures ladi-da-di-da. The greatest gift that you can give someone with cancer is actually not ignoring it, not being overbearing but actually being there not just physically but mentally too. Cancer can be cured through the drugs but the emotional impact it has can break even the most happiest person in the world.
However 'bindaas' Manvi seems is just all a farce. The glimpses you see of her vulnerability just makes her that more endearing. She's scared to hell, this is too great for her to comprehend and the one person who should be seeing this through her eyes, her perspective, actually read the pain and fear in her eyes is dead. Nothing can replace a mother, no matter how much love you have for a person or how close you are, the bond between mother and child where nothing needs to be said to be heard can not be replicated. (That's why the Viren-Vanshika bond is so much more beautiful than Viren-Swamini: only a mother would understand their child properly.) The CVs hinted towards this beautiful bond being replicated through Jeevika and Manvi but along with the logic, this too has been lost since the start of the show.
5. Sighh..my FAV couple...what have you done CVs?! 😡 I was happy to see when she called Viren. It was good that she called to inform him that they had met the doc...but the doc couldn't give proper time to them as he had to head for a surgery. BUT...i was banging my head when I heard Viren go all cheesy! Was THIS the time for all that "cute" n "aww worthy" talk? She told him that they have just come out of the doc room...he asked, how is Manvi...and THAT IS IT!! Nothing like..."what did the doc say?...don't worry Jeevika, everything will be alright.." And went straight to..."u don't miss me?? Say that u miss me..." *continuous head desk* Was it the TIME n PLACE for those "i love you's". What are the CVs trying to show JV as? Some immature, college going or teenage couple...who have nothing else except for saying these ILU's n having those sweet, mushy dialogues??
They are a SENSIBLE, MATURE, YOUNG couple...and they SHOULD have their own REALISTIC issues. No one is against these sweet n cute scenes...but are these the ONLY thing left for a married couple? Can't we see how their relationship progresses n strenghtens as life throws various challenges at them...and what could be a bigger challange than Manvi's illness? In that too...what all we get to see is the couple stuck at saying..."i miss u n i love u". Sorry...the scene may be really cute...but it didn't work for me AT ALL. If this was some late night convo b/w the couple...when they're thinking abt each other...THAT would've made sense. At this point, in the hospital...it was a complete NO-NO!
I've gotten to the point where I yearn for JeeVi, not Virika. There was this extra special spark between Jeevika Chaudhery and Viren Vadhera, something magical which first saw the light of day on that fall from the balcony. It was simple, beautiful, sweet... Viren, the quiet, sensible, sometimes crazy when drunk guy falls for the easy going, cultured teacher whose life revolves around her family. The delicate balance they struck before the wedding between family and love was just absolutely heart wrenching at times to watch. It was just so special, I loved JeeVi. For me, what made them so special was that all throughout the first three months we were on tenterhooks on where this blossoming relationship would go. I remember just wondering if they would actually get married because it was just so unpredictable. It was only on one of the SBS segments where they actually showed the mangalsutra/phera bit where every gave out a large sigh of relief.
I miss the unpredictability because their fate wasn't sealed in regards to what we saw. If Jeevika and Manvi were five minutes late in getting back that first day - bye bye Virika; if Jeevika and Manvi were five minutes early that day - bye bye Virika; if Jeevika took those final steps to Mannan after Karva Chauth - bye bye Virika; ifViren told Dadaji that day about Mannan - bye bye Virika; if Swamini was too hot headed to see her nephews pain - bye bye Virika; is Virat didn't go back to bring Manvi to the wedding - bye bye Virika. It was so cleverly thought out, so beautifully portrayed, but now... We have Jeevika Vadhera and Viren Vadhera: They've been married a 'year' and it almost feels like the sparks gone out of them. This post wedding Viren has the WORST timing in the world; wasn't he supposed to be supportive/different from every other guy? Then why is he turning into 'some guy', where everything in life is connected to romance and ... (Use your imagination :/)
I'm fed up of writing about Jeevika at this point so she gets a 😳
6. And the mystery remains...WHO is bearing the expenses of Manvi's treatment? Dadaji?? Or Viren can afford it on his own?? Or...the entire Vadhera family will put in their contributions?? Kuch toh bata logo...i'm going mad thinking abt this 😆😆
Viren's a lawyer, a pretty successful one at that who just so happens to work at the family law firm. Since you're from a layer family maybe you can explain this one :P Does he not get wages just like any other person in the firm or do the Vadhera's have this large pot of cash where any member can dip there hand in for whatever. It seems Virat's quite used to this 'trust fund' already. Dude, lawyers, law, courts, they're all confusing. Best not to think about the 'finer' details :L
My rant over! I guess...this was what all we got in the first part. Thankfully, for you guy...i didn't watch the full epi...otherwise, this post would've become a never ending one. 😳😆😆 Sorry for torturing u guys with this super long post...which seems more like a questionnaire as i went through it now 😳😆
It's over? I'm kinda sad, I really enjoyed this venting :L In the end, I think it was for the best you didn't watch the whole episode coz it really wasn't worth the fifteen minutes of your life.
It was good to see Dadaji n Inder back (RAFL...CVs do stalk us, girls 😉😆). Dadaji knows abt Manvi's cancer. Interesting!! Why is he back now...has to be some new twist?!
And oh...i read the update...what happened to that dinner? Wasn't it supposed to be on the same day as the doc's appointment was? Bhool gaye kya CVs? I tell u...CVs amnesia is getting very severe...they better bring back Dr. Mannan for at least getting this one disease treated properly! 😉😆
Amnesia, amnesia, it's raining amnesia! I really miss Mannan, at times I wonder just how different the show would of been if Jeevika was Jeevika Mannan rather than Jeevika Vadhera...
P.S: Adding just one clarification! In case any one of u doesn't know...i WAS n AM a Jeevika fan...have nothing against the girl. In fact..i've always tried to see things from her POV...used to write her diary at one point in time...when the character was STRONG! Viren has always been my FAVORITE..and u guys know that i write only abt Virika. Its just that...the CVs have ruined their characters...they're messed up completely...n despite being their fan...i CANNOT justify this insanity n inconsistency. Hence, i come up with these points w,r,t their characters...as well as trying to identify the missing links in the show as a whole 😳
PS: People reading, don't be offended by my Jeevika bashing - I do love her, just can't stand what the CVs are doing with her character. In hindsight, yup, could've used a bit less sarcasm...
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