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Posted: 10 years ago
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@Anu he didn't simply gauge silence. He put forward a theory. Even before he was putting forward theory based on his assumptions from gauging silences and expressions. And was seeking confirmation for the same by confronting. For e.g you are hiding Nithya or how did you come to Nithya's house. At all those points for him Durga and Nithya were 2 entities as both the mask, her makeover and diary helped in hiding the reality. Also he didn't know exactly how Nithya disappeared. Durga stood very much in confrontation giving strong answers to each of his theories. Real confusion for him started from b'day cake because it was not in diary. From there he started building new assumptions. He knew Nithya had an accident from Mathur, a severe accident that too. Only thing he did was he didn't confront Durga or Dayal with his new formed assumptions. Once he got the evidence Dr Dayal's car was the one which caused Nithya's accident he more or less decided to speak out his theory.For me yesterday he played his cards well. First telling Dr Thakur your car killed Nithya. He was sure Dr Thakur will negate that and will tell Nithya is alive and about their deal. Then he put forward his theory. You need to clearly see the words he used. I know Nithya is not dead. You have not killed her. But you have given a new life to her. I know where you have hidden Nithya. She was always there with me. Walking in front of me. I am thankful to you for giving her back to me. Till today I was living, but today I have life. Without telling Dayal he understood Durga is Nithya he put forward his theory in a beautiful manner. And Dayal didn't say yes nor did he say no. Yes he had to be told. But the absence of no I mean a strong no to his theory he took it as yes. Dayal didn't refute even one word of his theory. Also Dayal hugged him.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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@Fieryheart the only points I was actually irritated with Dev was his explanation of his absence of 2 years. That was not good enough. Second was the way he got the medical report. That had so much of blooeprs and he was shown quite dumb not even checking his car was being followed.
Otherwise I am fine with him. Reason first we need to know the character does not know what we audience know. He has no clue how Nithya disappeared. Even to think plastic surgery atleast the cause of her disappearance has to be known for any right thinking individual. There has to be a reason why the face has to be changed.
Second he was trying to balance it out with his mom and his true intentions. He was running around for proofs to confront his family. His idea was reopening case not taking back door methods. For a guy like him both for confronting the family as well as reopening the case solid proofs are needed. Evidence matters. Not hearsay. With hearsay you can make deductions, hunches but not confrontation. Didn't everybody knew Dev didn't shoot Raima. Why Durga had to create drama to bring him out. It was for creating evidence. As without evidence , just with hearsay no court would acquit him.
People also forget the fact that Payal changed the statement. She told openly in the court what happened was consensual not rape. Nithya was fighting for Payal. Who asked Payal to change the testimony without telling her sister who was fighting on her behalf. Didn't she trust Nithya enough to give in to Sakshi's threat and marriage offer. If she had not changed the testimony case wouldn't have closed that fast. Nithya would have still fought , fought to get justice. Maybe they all would have died but there will never be in records that Payal told it was not rape. In a way Payal betrayed Nithya by changing that testimony. It was that change which drove Nithya's parents to suicide. They were holding on and supporting their daughter in the fight. How would have been the parents felt when the girl went and told in court it was not rape just marry her of to Shaurya.
So everyone's suffering is to some extent their own doing. There is no point just shouting at one character.
Edited by shruthiravi - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Dev had many signs to know Durga was Nitya. Especially how she bonded with Payal and how Payal pointed to her when he asked her about Nitya.
Plus only Nitya is not the reason why he was called dumb. He often ignored important precautions and overlooked how Shaurya confessed hia womanising and violent ways to him and threatened him. His giving his own number at mental hospital, his talking to lawyer on phone openly, his not being aware he was being chased are just few of the many blunders he made.

I am sorry I do not agree with confusion over Payal changing her statement. Why did he feel bad for her and sympathise with her if he partly believed her changed statement? Even kids know how rich and powerful bully witnesses and force them to change statement or take back case. He never considered that possibility and was confused? It was Payal and her family who lost everything. So why was he confused?
And did he not know what kind of girl he was that he was confused? Did he believe she indeed had consensual sex with Shaurya? How did he overlook that his friends were also accused? He never went after them.

I am sorry but living in same house Dev and Suchitra had no idea of what Goenkas were like is weird. Not believable. Especially how Goenkas discuss plans so loudly, have loud outbursts and their scandals are all over media.

It is easily written now that "I don't understand why people call Dev dumb" but ignored the lengthy posts that point out loopholes in his character and story.

His 2 year disappearance and lack of contact had poorest explanation.

His not asking how Durga got Nitya's email on her phone, not wondering why Durga cried so much for Payal, all such things were questionable.

I will not buy plastic surgery reason because frankly the whole story is unrealistic and nobody gets an all new face and body after an accident or easily assumes new name the way Nitya was shown in tbis serial. So I wonder why Dev should be excused on count of girl with new face?

You believe he had a theory. But none of his scenes showed him ever joining dots. He was scattered. I blame CVs also for not fleshing it out properly.

Lastly his directly asking Shaurya if he raped or not was a joke. Who answers such questions openly? When such scenes will be there, then character is obviously not going to escape labels of dumb.

It is over now. I hope main theme is focused now that is justice for the rape and murders.

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@Fieryheart the only points I was actually irritated with Dev was his explanation of his absence of 2 years. That was not good enough. Second was the way he got the medical report. That had so much of blooeprs and he was shown quite dumb not even checking his car was being followed.

Otherwise I am fine with him. Reason first we need to know the character does not know what we audience know. He has no clue how Nithya disappeared. Even to think plastic surgery atleast the cause of her disappearance has to be known for any right thinking individual. There has to be a reason why the face has to be changed.
Second he was trying to balance it out with his mom and his true intentions. He was running around for proofs to confront his family. His idea was reopening case not taking back door methods. For a guy like him both for confronting the family as well as reopening the case solid proofs are needed. Evidence matters. Not hearsay. With hearsay you can make deductions, hunches but not confrontation. Didn't everybody knew Dev didn't shoot Raima. Why Durga had to create drama to bring him out. It was for creating evidence. As without evidence , just with hearsay no court would acquit him.
People also forget the fact that Payal changed the statement. She told openly in the court what happened was consensual not rape. Nithya was fighting for Payal. Who asked Payal to change the testimony without telling her sister who was fighting on her behalf. Didn't she trust Nithya enough to give in to Sakshi's threat and marriage offer. If she had not changed the testimony case wouldn't have closed that fast. Nithya would have still fought , fought to get justice. Maybe they all would have died but there will never be in records that Payal told it was not rape. In a way Payal betrayed Nithya by changing that testimony. It was that change which drove Nithya's parents to suicide. They were holding on and supporting their daughter in the fight. How would have been the parents felt when the girl went and told in court it was not rape just marry her of to Shaurya.
So everyone's suffering is to some extent their own doing. There is no point just shouting at one character.


Very well said Shruthi 👏 And here I am copy pasting the part abt Dev I had written in another post:

I agree Dev was dumb in many ways but atleast not for not realising Durga is Nithya. He was dumb enough to not get in touch with Nithya by any other means. Agree his visa gave him trouble but he could have gotten in touch by calling her. He was just a call away n how come he didn know what was happening? Goenkas are a powerful family n how come he couldn find out what happened in the net? I am sure it was all over n he shd have got those details easily. Y did he have to struggle for more than 3 yrs?

Yes to conclude that a plastic surgery indeed had happened you need proper proof n yes we audience know what is happening n how can we expect Dev to know? How is he to join the dots?

And also agree with the evidence part. For Dev to be proven innocent u needed proof. Heresay will not work n same applies to Durga's identity. Maybe the actor playing Dev wasn't all that impressive but ppl forget that Dev was a simple character. He didn really have anything intense to portray coz the show was focusing on the plot. Everyone here will agree to the fact that Simone is a fantastic actress but imagine her playing a character like Suchitra. Would she have made the kind of impact she did as with Sakshi? No na? Then I donno y we bash Bhuvanesh so badly 😳 For the kind of role he had he is doing an ok job. U didn need an A league actor to play that role. Everyone here say they should have taken a popular actor but lets face it. No popular actor will agree for a role that is not significant since the two ladies have power packed roles n they dominate n thats the reason we all love the show. Then y make a big issue out of it?

Sorry for ranting 😆
Edited by FieryHeart - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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@Shrutiravi

Payal was stripped, shamed, gangraped by Shaurya and his friends. Then subjected to lies and character assassination in court. Thrown by witnesses and friends. Saw parents also crushed.

I am shocked Shrutiravi that you are blaming her for changing the statement!

She was traumatised and Sakshi had threatened her with veiled threat of death of her parents!

She did not want to lose them. She did not want the threat to come true.

So she finally crumbled after all the pressure.

Many victims are pushed to edge to do that.

She was seeing what her Nitya di had managed. Nothing. Witnesses were against them. So was their own lawyer.
You still expect her to think of her? May I know why Nitya di left her alone in corridor in that vulnerable state psychologically and physically? Where were parents?

Payal had the worst circumstances. Worst.

I am sad and shocked to see her being blamed.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Evidence has to be found. It does not fall in lap or come by just asking. It has to be collected carefully. And not carelessly the way Dev left his phone number at mental hospital, or did not realise that Sakshi was following his car. Shaurya had threatened him, Raj and Sakshi were threatening him. He did nit wonder why they were doing this if Shaurya was not guilty?
He faked Rajnath's voice openly on road? Never thought what if someone heard him? Is this how evidence are collected? What do you call someone who blunders this way?

Regarding actor, you need a solid actor. Not a popular one only. This is a show that took solid veterans like Amit Behl for even small role like Mathur. Dev is not a small character. He has scope being heroine's love interest and victim himself as his father was killed. So for varied emotions an actor needs to step up and not fumble. He is okay. But that is not enough. He has to be good at least if not the best.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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@Anu - I agree Payal was traumatised n she was emotionally blackmailed too by Sakshi n maybe she thought this was better for all of them rather than go through this harassment. Payal was innocent n she was lost but I in a way she is indeed responsible for the aftermath. I am not saying things would have worked out in their way had she not changed the statement. Sakshi would have found another way to win the case n she only wanted to speed up court proceedings by making Payal change the statement. But all said n done Payal shd have atleast consulted Nithya and her parents once. They had every right to be a part of that decision. It wasn hers alone. They were fighting for her honor too. Then y couldn she place her faith in her sister who risked her life even fighting for her? And even if there was no chance of winning the case she shd have fought for herself. There is a saying you can drag a horse to the riverside but you cannot force it to drink water and thats what happened here as well. Nithya could support her, try to offer her strength but it had to come from within Payal to fight for herself first. If she gives up then what can the rest of them do?
I know not many of them are strong to fight back but sometimes its imperative we stand up for what is right than what is the convenient thing to do. I know how difficult it was for her but for once she should have told her family abt the deal offered to her. Nithya would have seen through Sakshi's lies.
Edited by FieryHeart - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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@FieryHeart

Evidence has to be found. It does not fall in lap or come by just asking. It has to be collected carefully. And not carelessly the way Dev left his phone number at mental hospital, or did not realise that Sakshi was following his car. Shaurya had threatened him, Raj and Sakshi were threatening him. He did nit wonder why they were doing this if Shaurya was not guilty?
He faked Rajnath's voice openly on road? Never thought what if someone heard him? Is this how evidence are collected? What do you call someone who blunders this way?

Regarding actor, you need a solid actor. Not a popular one only. This is a show that took solid veterans like Amit Behl for even small role like Mathur. Dev is not a small character. He has scope being heroine's love interest and victim himself as his father was killed. So for varied emotions an actor needs to step up and not fumble. He is okay. But that is not enough. He has to be good at least if not the best.


I agree evidence doesn't fall into lap but even to go about gathering it you need some sorta starting point n u cant do it by pursuing a path that is clueless to you. As an audience it is easy for us to deduce it but what abt from a character's perspective? We wont just judge something by whats happening currently. We tend to analyse every point, from past too. The accusation was on his brother not some random passer by. Your brother maybe a flirt, a spoilt brat but is that enough for u to jump to the conclusion that he is a rapist too? One dumb thing on his behalf was that he didn try to find out whats happening when he was in US. Rather he started it very late waiting for 2-3 yrs to pass. He could have taken over in US. He didn have to be in India to know what is happening. He had his friend here. He could have asked him to kept tabs n inform. Not like Suchitra would follow him 24x7 to know whats happening with him.

He also knew the kind of girls Payal and Durga were n he knew they were not capable of anything they had been accused of by his family. Not everyone goes against family to support a friend without having proper background information. Its slightly confusing.

About the veteran actors, they were considered for middle aged roles which were significant nonetheless. But almost every known young face here wants the kind of stardom that leads get. For example we saw how Teena was unhappy with her role but given the story what more could have been done for her character? Many leads quit the show if they dont see their character going forward n more than substance ppl stress on screen presence 😵 Its not like in American shows where actors dont give darn about the amount of time they get on screen. As long as role is good they take it up, no matter the time n screenspace. That doesn't work out here.

He is okey dokey but lately its Vatsal who has gone overboard in acting n his scenes are nerve grating 🥱 Compared to him I find Bhuvanesh bearable 😆 But hell I only watch for Simone n Sanjeeda maybe 😆 So didn pay too much attention, n maybe that is my fault 🤣
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Payal was raped due to Nitya's knee jerk reaction to Shaurya and her trusting him in first place.

Why do you blame her? I ask where were her parents when they left her alone in court? What strength they gave her?

What kind of sister Nitya was to leave her alone in court? Why was she left alone so Goenkas could come and meet her?

What kind of family were they who were happily enjoying puja at home and never wondered where Payal was and why she had not returned home the night she was raped?

Aftermath? She was scarred by character assassination in court. What Nitya managed? All witnesses had turned hostile. Even their own lawyer was not with them. So why should she trust her?

She was threatened with death of her parents. She cowed in. As she did not want them to die.

Rape victims do get pressurised like that. This is what happened to her.

It is fault of Nitya and her parents to leave her alone in that vulnerable state.

Fault of Nitya to give tape to lawyer a night before.

I cannot believe a victim is being blamed to defend heroine and probably Dev.

The parents are biggest wrong doers for never supporting girls or warning them and leaving them alone even later by committing suicide. Their shame and ego was greater than daughter's trauma?

Nitya did nothing to be still trusted. Even now whatever that has been done is due to Dayal. Nitya was still busy with her own plans while Payal rotted alone and even got attacked again.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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You are absolutely correct.Nice post👍🏼

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