My take on today's episode - For Better or For Worse - Page 5

Created

Last reply

Replies

90

Views

4.9k

Users

25

Likes

392

Frequent Posters

PrincessAshVik thumbnail
12th Anniversary Thumbnail Sparkler Thumbnail + 4
Posted: 9 years ago
#41

Originally posted by: sanfan

Princessashvik, Nith

Hmmm..read your replies...

I am not all defending Shravan...I am just providing a nuanced view on this..Let me try to explain myself better when I said that Shravan should not apologise for his conduct...
Imagine a scenario...where Adi molests Sumo and then he is say kicked out...let me here play the devil's advocate (no I don't mean Adi's advocate 😆!!)

what is Shravan supposed to feel? Remorse that he spoke in that fashion to Adi that got him in that state? or Relief that Sumo is out of harm's way? or A bit of anger that Sumo let herself be subjected to all this? (by this I don't mean molestation...but the agony of being involved with a man she did not clearly love) For me its is relief and anger but not remorse...Think about this deeply...the remorse can only be for his misogyny that perhaps equates his thinking to men like Adi..at some level. Which is why I maintain as women we need to examine our positions at every step so that we are not falling for the positions of misogyny ourselves even as we talk of our self-respect.

My view is that CVs have not completely thought thru when they decided to turn Shravan into a misogynist. Its a tuf role to give your male protagonist. I am not sure how well they will handle this issue from here on.


What Shravan said and the reason he said this is at the core of the issue. What was his intention behind saying this... Lets just say his main intention was to get a rise out of Adi, because he is constantly troubling him on the issue of his friendship with Sumo. So he says it okay...there u go...deal with this...now this is the part I am not comfortable with becos ..it somewhere means that this is an aspect that men like Shravan, Aditya consider a matter to get hassled over...That was the main reason for my discomfort. At that moment it equated Shravan and Aditya. If Shravan had said this as a man not having any misogynistic traits...I would have condoned it as a ploy to irritate the highly irritating Aditya but unfortunately that is not true..so Shravan has to get his ideas about women in order soon...So how they will treat this issue now on will determine how Shravan's characterisation shapes up.

I don't know if I explained my stance better. Its just that I don't consider it a big issue that the marriage will break on this ground. It is better it breaks on this ground becos men like Aditya have to accept that that a past relationship is no reason to force a woman to comply. If the past makes you insecure, first learn to deal with it...Having said that, Shravan had no business lying about that matter not becos it has anything to do with that so called "female modesty" but simply becos it was a lie and Sumo was not part of that convo. So essentially what he indulged in is trash talk which he has to apologise for.


Relief and anger is what I too think he would feel. Not remorse. Because sexual assault and molestation cannot be justified. Whatever the case, whatever Shravan said, or he did not say does not matter, Sumo should not bear the brunt of it. Why should she suffer?
Also, I feel he should apologise because he lied like you said. I still feel it was demeaning to the relationship they share, their bond.

I think I am beginning to understand where you are coming from.
You don't like the fact that he said this to rile up Aditya esp because he himself hates women and that he knows this is a sensitive issue (premarital sex) and the girl is looked down upon? Basically that women are looked down upon when premarital sex comes into the picture but men are not? Please correct me if I am wrong, I can be very slow at times😳😆




Roshni2015 thumbnail
10th Anniversary Thumbnail Dazzler Thumbnail
Posted: 9 years ago
#42
Just a clarification... In case I came out wrong..
~For a man like Shravan who is honourable, facing himself after the Suman incident with chomu is going to be hell in itself...~

I don't mean Shravan would /should be guilty for the Aditya incident... The physical assault.. Absolutely not.. He in no way is responsible for it. Whatever a person says cannot in any which way bring about such a thing.. It was all Aditya's doing n he cant crib saying Shravan instigated him. It's plain mindless..
What I meant was Shravan would feel remorse.. For his words.. N for that he should apologize.. Not for any XYZ...
PrincessAshVik thumbnail
12th Anniversary Thumbnail Sparkler Thumbnail + 4
Posted: 9 years ago
#43
I feel Shravan was very impulsive, he did not think how this would affect Sumo. He was just thinking of Nirmala and Aditya and hurting them where it hurts the most. For Aditya it would be knowing Sumo had a relationship with somebody else, where she gave herself completely: heart, body and soul. And for Nirmala it would be doing exactly what she requested him not to do; creating a rift between Aditya and Sumo cos apparently her son loves Sumo so much.
For me, Shravan is not her son. Selfish woman!

PrincessAshVik thumbnail
12th Anniversary Thumbnail Sparkler Thumbnail + 4
Posted: 9 years ago
#44

Originally posted by: Roshni2015

Just a clarification... In case I came out wrong..

~For a man like Shravan who is honourable, facing himself after the Suman incident with chomu is going to be hell in itself...~

I don't mean Shravan would /should be guilty for the Aditya incident... The physical assault.. Absolutely not.. He in no way is responsible for it. Whatever a person says cannot in any which way bring about such a thing.. It was all Aditya's doing n he cant crib saying Shravan instigated him. It's plain mindless..
What I meant was Shravan would feel remorse.. For his words.. N for that he should apologize.. Not for any XYZ...



Exactly!!!!
Knowing Shravan, when he realises what he has done, he will feel really guilty. It has happened before. But it should be for his words, not how Aditya reacted.

Also, we are all jumping to the sexual assault scene but there are things which happen before that cos Aditya tries meeting Sumo as per the precap, will he succeed? Will they show an Aditya Sumo sequence before the wedding day? Or will they straight show the wedding day and assault?

Just for clarification: In no way am I blaming Sumo either for Aditya's actions (clarifying because I mentioned a Sumo Aditya scene).


sanfan thumbnail
13th Anniversary Thumbnail Visit Streak 90 Thumbnail + 2
Posted: 9 years ago
#45

Originally posted by: PrincessAshVik


Relief and anger is what I too think he would feel. Not remorse. Because sexual assault and molestation cannot be justified. Whatever the case, whatever Shravan said, or he did not say does not matter, Sumo should not bear the brunt of it. Why should she suffer?
Also, I feel he should apologise because he lied like you said. I still feel it was demeaning to the relationship they share, their bond.

I think I am beginning to understand where you are coming from.
You don't like the fact that he said this to rile up Aditya esp because he himself hates women and that he knows this is a sensitive issue (premarital sex) and the girl is looked down upon? Basically that women are looked down upon when premarital sex comes into the picture but men are not? Please correct me if I am wrong, I can be very slow at times😳😆





LOL...actually this is something we need to ourselves reexamine...all the time. A lot of gender sensitisation happens as a gradual process becos it is something we learn as we unlearn some of the older ways of looking at things.

@bold...yes thats what i was getting at. Cvs have tried to show an outburst becomes the trigger for Adi's abominable behaviour. However, they have forgotten that by making Shravan mouth this as a way to get back at Adi...they have equated him to Adi at some level. Its a bit complicated. At one level, I hope they do not show remorse for him having been the trigger but then at other level, he owes an apology to Sumo privately for the trash talk he has indulged in even if his intention may not have been to drag her in to this"power" struggle with Adi. I dont even know if i am making sense...😆

On the whole, what I was trying to say is if there is a hullabaloo about how the character of the girl is being assassinated...that is unwarranted becos a woman does not need any character certificate from a man. Whether they were or were not in a physical relationship is no one's business, except their own. So there is no need for Sumo to feel any sense of loss of worth etc..Yes she can definitely tell him off for his lies...considering he talking behind her back as if these were bragging rights...so she needs to tell him where to get off...
poppinss thumbnail
10th Anniversary Thumbnail Rocker Thumbnail
Posted: 9 years ago
#46
Comfortably Numb!!
I was stunned yesterday... the way Shravan reacted.

Want to see how Shravan reacts when the gravity of what he did hits him.

Are we heading towards a hate vs love track?

I think both are equally bad. One abuses her physically and the other emotionally. Shravan is guilty of emotional and moral rape. What he has done to me seems several notches worse than Adi!!

This would not be easy to wash away, given the trust Sumo had on him.
Edited by poppinss - 9 years ago
spshastr thumbnail
15th Anniversary Thumbnail Sparkler Thumbnail + 3
Posted: 9 years ago
#47
Rosh loved the same.
I am also waiting for the repentance. I think Sumo will actually be more broken to hear this than the marriage breaking.

AM waiting for the repentance
Mannmohanaa thumbnail
9th Anniversary Thumbnail Trailblazer Thumbnail + 3
Posted: 9 years ago
#48
Actually don't know what to say😆
I've thought, discussed, ranted enough
But this is what keeps others going!😳

Cheers Rosh!

I love how united our fandom is! One post regarding quitting the show and ten other pop up to keep us glued
Haha!

Well said Girl!
I DO BELIEVE that he'll redeem himself. And I do not want Sumo to know anything what Shravan said!
Faith is everything in this situation, for the characters as well as Viewers.
So I trust the serial to get up from today!
#YehMeraBharosaHai

Love

Roshni2015 thumbnail
10th Anniversary Thumbnail Dazzler Thumbnail
Posted: 9 years ago
#49

Originally posted by: spshastr

Rosh loved the same.

I am also waiting for the repentance. I think Sumo will actually be more broken to hear this than the marriage breaking.

AM waiting for the repentance

I know right..
Shravan would rise...from these ashes.. He will repent n to rectify this even if he has walk that extra mile, he would do so happily..

nith125 thumbnail
10th Anniversary Thumbnail Dazzler Thumbnail
Posted: 9 years ago
#50

Originally posted by: sanfan

Princessashvik, Nith

Hmmm..read your replies...

I am not all defending Shravan...I am just providing a nuanced view on this..Let me try to explain myself better when I said that Shravan should not apologise for his conduct...
Imagine a scenario...where Adi molests Sumo and then he is say kicked out...let me here play the devil's advocate (no I don't mean Adi's advocate 😆!!)

what is Shravan supposed to feel? Remorse that he spoke in that fashion to Adi that got him in that state? or Relief that Sumo is out of harm's way? or A bit of anger that Sumo let herself be subjected to all this? (by this I don't mean molestation...but the agony of being involved with a man she did not clearly love) For me its is relief and anger but not remorse...Think about this deeply...the remorse can only be for his misogyny that perhaps equates his thinking to men like Adi..at some level. Which is why I maintain as women we need to examine our positions at every step so that we are not falling for the positions of misogyny ourselves even as we talk of our self-respect.

My view is that CVs have not completely thought thru when they decided to turn Shravan into a misogynist. Its a tuf role to give your male protagonist. I am not sure how well they will handle this issue from here on.


What Shravan said and the reason he said this is at the core of the issue. What was his intention behind saying this... Lets just say his main intention was to get a rise out of Adi, because he is constantly troubling him on the issue of his friendship with Sumo. So he says it okay...there u go...deal with this...now this is the part I am not comfortable with becos ..it somewhere means that this is an aspect that men like Shravan, Aditya consider a matter to get hassled over...That was the main reason for my discomfort. At that moment it equated Shravan and Aditya. If Shravan had said this as a man not having any misogynistic traits...I would have condoned it as a ploy to irritate the highly irritating Aditya but unfortunately that is not true..so Shravan has to get his ideas about women in order soon...So how they will treat this issue now on will determine how Shravan's characterisation shapes up.

I don't know if I explained my stance better. Its just that I don't consider it a big issue that the marriage will break on this ground. It is better it breaks on this ground becos men like Aditya have to accept that that a past relationship is no reason to force a woman to comply. If the past makes you insecure, first learn to deal with it...Having said that, Shravan had no business lying about that matter not becos it has anything to do with that so called "female modesty" but simply becos it was a lie and Sumo was not part of that convo. So essentially what he indulged in is trash talk which he has to apologise for.

Rekha, first of all I want to say Thank you for explaining it all over again ! It took me a while to understand what you are saying but I eventually got it 😊

Related Topics

Top

Stay Connected with IndiaForums!

Be the first to know about the latest news, updates, and exclusive content.

Add to Home Screen!

Install this web app on your iPhone for the best experience. It's easy, just tap and then "Add to Home Screen".