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Posted: 9 years ago
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The way Shravan sees it, Chachi has had to compromise every bit of the way. Nothing has happened according to how she wanted it... And he can see that no one in his family values her sentiments...
If Nanu had his way with the girl's side dealing with the wedding, Kamini should also have something to talk about her son's wedding...and I guess these rituals don't matter much to Shravan...He hinted during the haldi and the mehendi...

Even now, it has not been easy.

Kamini is not happy even if she has made a smiley face...

In effect, Adi has succeeded in getting her riled up so much, she is going to get her revenge!...She had long forgotten about it in the excitement of the wedding...😆

I actually didn't mind the fact that Shravan refused to talk to chachi...he knew it would require some blackmailing...and he didn't want it if she didn't agree to it happily...this is the groom's mother...why upset her?

And what Ramnath did was also emotional blackmailing...He knew Kamini couldn't refuse him with the whole family around her...Ab Kamini ki baari hai! 😉
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Posted: 9 years ago
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I think if shravan would have suggested the same even to ramu...then ramu would have definitely thought that shravan is instigated by Sumo and would have created more problems...but because Adi is third party ramu took it on face value... every one i.e. ramu and chachi would have blamed shravan if he would even have suggested that tiwaris want marriage venue changed however good shravans intention would have been. Both ramu chachi already feel shravan is under influence of sumo...so...it was a bad situation for shravan. But Adi has no connection with any one...therefore it worked. Shravan was right in fact he was most truthful. He didn't increase their hopes stated the fact about kamini...sumo should have not taunted him...i feel mama mami preeti instead of getting shravan in middle should have themselves sorted out..why didn't preeti request pushkar...arre pushkar should have been the person to talk and not shravan
Edited by jyotic74 - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: chicksoup

The way Shravan sees it, Chachi has had to compromise every bit of the way. Nothing has happened according to how she wanted it... And he can see that no one in his family values her sentiments...

If Nanu had his way with the girl's side dealing with the wedding, Kamini should also have something to talk about her son's wedding...and I guess these rituals don't matter much to Shravan...He hinted during the haldi and the mehendi...

Even now, it has not been easy.

Kamini is not happy even if she has made a smiley face...

In effect, Adi has succeeded in getting her riled up so much, she is going to get her revenge!...She had long forgotten about it in the excitement of the wedding...😆

I actually didn't mind the fact that Shravan refused to talk to chachi...he knew it would require some blackmailing...and he didn't want it if she didn't agree to it happily...this is the groom's mother...why upset her?

And what Ramnath did was also emotional blackmailing...He knew Kamini couldn't refuse him with the whole family around her...Ab Kamini ki baari hai! 😉


Absolutely.

Infact the fault lies with the Tiwaris - why did they even involve shravan in this? they should have directly spoken to lalaji and/or ramnath. the influence of their words on kamini would not be a same as a shravan's word.

However, I guess shravan has created this misconception about himself (about being chachi's chamcha) so that people think he can be the mediator. he should have stayed away from him from day 1. 🤔

and why did preeti not request oushkar? more than shavan listening to sumo, it should be more like pushkar always listening to her. useless girl. always dumping her problems on others.🤢

Moreover, the fact that shravan did not want to request chachi was because of the fact that he knew she will never agree to it and yesterday she really was given no choice - with all the malhotras (particularly lalaji and pushkar) staring at her face 😆

And that was the need of the hour - making her do something at gun point so that she gives it back likewise, with interest 😳



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Posted: 9 years ago
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A very good question Mallika
Why not? Why make Aditya pose it to Ramnath? In terms of the story I shall reserve my judgement but since you said this was character inconsistency...wanted to say that Shravan's character may seem odd to many of us but within the character frame his consistency is logical enough. Chachi has not been happy with Sumo's arrangements and this has led to lots of bad blood between the two families as well as between SS. And not only has she accused Shravan of not seeing the larger dynamics of a mother only wishing for a grand wedding for her son but more so, Chachi has time and again snubbed Sumo's hard work. Chachi has disregarded every gesture of Sumo as being nothing more than a sign of arrogance. This is a red zone area for Shravan because his father also categorizes Sumo in the same vein...too concerned with her ideas of what constitutes a right or a wrong action.
He does not want another family member of his to think bad of his Sumo. One father of his is enough. 😆
Also, using Nanu's ill-health as an excuse to ruin Chachis wishes for her son is a big no-no for Shravan. This son of Chachi is not only Shravan's brother but also someone who has requested Shravan to see that his wedding does not meet any mishaps. Shravan wants Sumo to be acknowledged and applauded for her all that she did for her sister's wedding not being castigated and reviled for the same. And whats worse bringing Nanu into this picture of mud slinging is something which is unacceptable to Shravan.
You may say a compromise could have been effected. Yes, probably. But, then why was it not? For Shravan, a mother dream and a brother's wish cannot be compromised. likewise, Nanu's ill-health cannot be used as the medium to cast aspersions on Sumo's self-respect. There is another reason which has more to do with the story so shall not explain😉


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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Joyness

I think if shravan would have suggested the same even to ramu...then ramu would have definitely thought that shravan is instigated by Sumo and would have created more problems...but because Adi is third party ramu took it on face value... every one i.e. ramu and chachi would have blamed shravan if he would even have suggested that tiwaris want marriage venue changed however good shravans intention would have been. Both ramu chachi already feel shravan is under influence of sumo...so...it was a bad situation for shravan. But Adi has no connection with any one...therefore it worked. Shravan was right in fact he was most truthful. He didn't increase their hopes stated the fact about kamini...sumo should have not taunted him...i feel mama mami preeti instead of getting shravan in middle should have themselves sorted out..why didn't preeti request pushkar...arre pushkar should have been the person to talk and not shravan

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This might be the situation if he would have been said yes to mama-mami
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: indranigupta

A very good question Mallika

Why not? Why make Aditya pose it to Ramnath? In terms of the story I shall reserve my judgement but since you said this was character inconsistency...wanted to say that Shravan's character may seem odd to many of us but within the character frame his consistency is logical enough. Chachi has not been happy with Sumo's arrangements and this has led to lots of bad blood between the two families as well as between SS. And not only has she accused Shravan of not seeing the larger dynamics of a mother only wishing for a grand wedding for her son but more so, Chachi has time and again snubbed Sumo's hard work. Chachi has disregarded every gesture of Sumo as being nothing more than a sign of arrogance. This is a red zone area for Shravan because his father also categorizes Sumo in the same vein...too concerned with her ideas of what constitutes a right or a wrong action.
He does not want another family member of his to think bad of his Sumo. One father of his is enough. 😆
Also, using Nanu's ill-health as an excuse to ruin Chachis wishes for her son is a big no-no for Shravan. This son of Chachi is not only Shravan's brother but also someone who has requested Shravan to see that his wedding does not meet any mishaps. Shravan wants Sumo to be acknowledged and applauded for her all that she did for her sister's wedding not being castigated and reviled for the same. And whats worse bringing Nanu into this picture of mud slinging is something which is unacceptable to Shravan.
You may say a compromise could have been effected. Yes, probably. But, then why was it not? For Shravan, a mother dream and a brother's wish cannot be compromised. likewise, Nanu's ill-health cannot be used as the medium to cast aspersions on Sumo's self-respect. There is another reason which has more to do with the story so shall not explain😉



Indrani,
My friend you are back... 😳

And yes, +1 to what you wrote. I just don't like the way Shravan is getting projected.. It's coming across as inconsistent even if his heart is in the right place..
There's more to this though as you say.. For the story.. More than what meets the eye.. But this something is confusing me a little.. 😉
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Posted: 9 years ago
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You have put it all so well.
It certainly seemed like a cakewalk for Aditya to ensure that Nanu's wishes for the wedding were factored in.

It seems more like the CVs want Suman to compare Shravan and Aditya and find Shravan wanting. The comparison I am referring to is as far "supporting" her as a friend is concerned. The "ehsaan" versus the "help" comparison. The PCT issue will be the final nail in the coffin. How will this be shown to ultimately affect ShraMan, is now a troublesome thought because the build-up of all of this (including Nirmalas re-entry) is what the track will finally culminate into.

Even if the CVs (for reasons best known to them) do want to go down this path, it is unfortunately happening at the cost of Shravan's characterisation, the essence of which they are diluting in one way or the other.






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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: indranigupta

A very good question Mallika

Why not? Why make Aditya pose it to Ramnath? In terms of the story I shall reserve my judgement but since you said this was character inconsistency...wanted to say that Shravan's character may seem odd to many of us but within the character frame his consistency is logical enough. Chachi has not been happy with Sumo's arrangements and this has led to lots of bad blood between the two families as well as between SS. And not only has she accused Shravan of not seeing the larger dynamics of a mother only wishing for a grand wedding for her son but more so, Chachi has time and again snubbed Sumo's hard work. Chachi has disregarded every gesture of Sumo as being nothing more than a sign of arrogance. This is a red zone area for Shravan because his father also categorizes Sumo in the same vein...too concerned with her ideas of what constitutes a right or a wrong action.
He does not want another family member of his to think bad of his Sumo. One father of his is enough. 😆
Also, using Nanu's ill-health as an excuse to ruin Chachis wishes for her son is a big no-no for Shravan. This son of Chachi is not only Shravan's brother but also someone who has requested Shravan to see that his wedding does not meet any mishaps. Shravan wants Sumo to be acknowledged and applauded for her all that she did for her sister's wedding not being castigated and reviled for the same. And whats worse bringing Nanu into this picture of mud slinging is something which is unacceptable to Shravan.
You may say a compromise could have been effected. Yes, probably. But, then why was it not? For Shravan, a mother dream and a brother's wish cannot be compromised. likewise, Nanu's ill-health cannot be used as the medium to cast aspersions on Sumo's self-respect. There is another reason which has more to do with the story so shall not explain😉



Very well explained Indrani and I do get your point but somehow all these reasons still don't sum up to the fact that Shravan didnt even give a second thought to asking Ramnath about it. Definitely in case he had directly spoken to Kamini she would have snubbed him for favoring his friend rather than his family. But a discussion with Ramnath could have helped. He didn't want Sumo to be degraded in chachi's eyes but what about the last wish of the person she loves the most. He didn't even "think" about that. I think this is not about if he had been able to shift the venue or not...this is about giving a try. Had he only given a vague try, just like Adi did, even that would have made Sumo happy. Also him treating Kaminis wishes or her views as so important is beyond me. The only explanation I can give to his behavior, which he even states time and again (and Sumo doesn't realize the gravity of it too) is that he cant let the heart of an actually loving mother get hurt. Such kind of motherly love is in a way too ideal for him and he cant let it get scathed. This is something he doesn't have in his life. This kind of possessiveness of a mother, this kind of unconditional love. He feels Kamini has given up on all her wishes of choosing her DIL on her own and just demanded for a grand wedding for which too they offered to help, so she made so much sacrifice for the love of her son that at least one wish of her needs to be granted. But probably, no one including Sumo understands this. And thats what makes him so hurt. And with that I feel the whole point of this track is that though these two love each other like anything but somewhere still they don't understand and acknowledge each others scenarios as they are...may be because they are still unaware to the insecurities each of them grew in during their late teenage years when they were not together.
Edited by Malika - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Your last line says it all mallika - they love each other to death but they do not "get" each other, yet and this gap is being used (inadvertently or not) by others and circumstances. its just a steep and painful learning curve for both.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Malika


Very well explained Indrani and I do get your point but somehow all these reasons still don't sum up to the fact that Shravan didnt even give a second thought to asking Ramnath about it. Definitely in case he had directly spoken to Kamini she would have snubbed him for favoring his friend rather than his family. But a discussion with Ramnath could have helped. He didn't want Sumo to be degraded in chachi's eyes but what about the last wish of the person she loves the most. He didn't even "think" about that. I think this is not about if he had been able to shift the venue or not...this is about giving a try. Had he only given a vague try, just like Adi did, even that would have made Sumo happy. Also him treating Kaminis wishes or her views as so important is beyond me. The only explanation I can give to his behavior, which he even states time and again (and Sumo doesn't realize the gravity of it too) is that he cant let the heart of an actually loving mother get hurt. This is something he doesn't have in his life. This kind of possessiveness of a mother, this kind of unconditional love. He feels Kamini has given up on all her wishes of choosing her DIL on her own and just demanded for a grand wedding for which too they offered to help, so she made so much sacrifice for the love of her son that at least one wish of her needs to be granted. But probably, no one including Sumo understands this. And thats what makes him so hurt. And with that I feel the whole point of this track is that though these two love each other like anything but somewhere still they don't understand and acknowledge each others scenarios as they are...may be because they are still unaware to the insecurities each of them grew in during their teenage years when they were not together.

Mallika...had Shravan asked his father about changing the venue...it would have been accepted. But, in the bargain Sumo's sister Preeti would have had to bear a lifelong insult that they used an old man's failing health to get away with their cheapness. Also, Nanu is the key figure here...for him, Shravan can do everything but he cant use him as a prop to ruin anyone's desire or wishes. If his father wants him to think twice or thrice about Sumo whom Shravan has categorically stated that he loves her why would you think Shravan would disregard Chachi's demands?
Also, the main reason why an Aditya was supposed to convince a Ramnath and not Shravan is to do with the story ...which I would want you to think in only one direction...
Who gained out of this mess?😉

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