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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: SahSah

I always had my doubts regarding this man ... he has some under the carpet issues which might be coming out sooner or later...

His family is the most important for him and in search of that perfect he do't mind bending the rules and end up hurting other who don't matter or are not his family.

The missing wife did she oppose of the family and their freeloading or want them out. Was it Kamini who drove her out and Ramnath let that happen

too many questions need answering ...

Was he the reason suman drove shravan away

Is the miss wife/mother coming back

what happened to her


Ah, Ansah!

Is teh wife coming back after ten years?

I would very much like to know...
Doe she know her son is back in India after ten long years?
Why did she leave? Because she couldn't be the ideal wife Kamini is...Manipulative while appearing subservient..
I bet she felt Shravan was better of with his dad, had better opportunities...but herself felt suffocated...trapped???
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Even I feel Ramnath is very manipulative because when ramnath confronted angrily that he can tell suman about him leaving to london and not to his family before .It showed that he doesn't consider suman as his family member and when shravan said she is an outsider .Ramnath did not oppose it and even now when kamini said that shravan is helping outsiders he did not defend or oppose her which indirectly means that he doesn't consider them as his family .Maybe he has lot of respect for nanu but when it comes to his family that is his 1st priority. Somewhere I feel that ramnath is the one who has put an inferiority complex in sumo that she has no right over shravan because she is no match for him and that might be the key reason why suman feels that she cannot say anything to him about how she feels about him.😒
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: munnihyderabad

good topic for discussion on a weekend 👍🏼


From what I understand, Ramnath is not manipulative to get something done as such, but he looks cynical as he is trying to hide something from the past, which shatters the present .

His respect and regards and love for Nanaji is unquestionable, beyond the difference of status . The first day, he sits on the floor near Nanu's feet and asks for his 100 Rs as birthday his birthday gift, takes his wishes and then sits on the bed!!. That scene builds up their relation . He always considered tiwari's as his family, during holi preparations he said Suman is family she can help with packing gifts. Even when shravan stays back for Tiwari's case, he surprised everyone with his "I am proud of you, that you took this case in my absence" When shravan was stuck with the case, he gave him a professional advice of out of court settlement, had he not something dubious .. he wouldn't give shravan such advice where they have to pay 6 crores .. his intentions here are unquestionable, from my understanding.

and why he is siding with family over Tiwari's , first thing we notice is, like shravan said.. not once did he look into his eyes while saying so, which means he doesn't stand by what he said . Coming to think of why he said so, the man who saw, his family broken, with a husband and son left alone by themselves..and shravan's tears when his mom left him.. he wouldn't want the same thing to happen with another mother son (kamini and varun) and another family to be disgruntled. hence an attempt made out half heartedly as the other side is another family, that too Nanaji's family and we know what he means to Ramnath, hence he was not able to look into Shravan's eyes and say "family is first priority " or "leave the case for family" Shravan countering Ramnath here was soo like a lawyer, fab job by writers !!

I watch the show online, and in those links the part of Ramnath and Sumo meeting on stairs was missing..now I read the update.. so if at all Ramnath didn't say anything to Sumo, and silently walked past her, then again kudos to writers.. firstly .. words are not necessary , silence makes the scene even more poignant. Secondly what and how would Ramnath console Suman ?? atleast I don't have what and how he should convince her, when he himself is not sure. Secondly, he left the two of them Shravan and Sumo, to deal with it and he didn't say "don't try to influence Shravan as he has taken the decision" either, so I still don't think Ramnath is any negative manipulative person.

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Lastly, what happened 10 years back, I think the scenario to be something like this .. when shravan was hurt after the humiliation, Sumo might have come to Malhotra's to apologize to Shravan.. that is when Ramnath might have told...something to the extent of Sumo's mother being the reason for his not studying in Oxford and now he doesn't want the same to happen with Shravan due to her. I can only deduce this from Sumo's "maine tumhein nahin choda" it's just that she didn't go back to stop him, which makes shravan think she left him. and that could be the reason for Sumo not contacting him in last 10 years.

Ramnath and Priya might have been best friends like Shravan and Sumo, and Ramnath might even have one sided love for Priya.. but Priya might have considered him a good friend and Ramnath might have stayed back in India to win over Priya and started working with Nanaji..to win over her... but Priya was married to neeraj , by Nanu and Ramnath might have been shattered and later moved on with just what he studied in India.. when you lose loved ones you don't have aim for anything in life and might have married Shravan's mom.. who might have been always insecure and skeptical about Nanu's special place in Ramnath's life...and Priya as well...and Shravan's mom might have confronted and warned Priya to stay away from Ramnath, though there was clearly nothing between them ... and that could be the reason for many fights between shravan's parents as we were shown.

Thanx for the detailed reply. 😊

I don't consider Ranmnath manipulative with his family...He is just CLUELESS as to how to keep everyone happy...He cannot afford further erosion there...so for him, I guess family comes before his profession.

Ramnath meeting Sumo at the stairs...was exactly as Shravan described his meeting with Shravan...He couldn't meet her eye...beyond that there was no animosity I perceived...Just that it looked bad that he would turn away a friend for his family...

As for Priya being the cause for the fights between Shravan's parents...She died ten long years before they separated...I doubt there is any Priya angle to their story.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Meg12

Undeserving myself. Great going chicksoup, Though he might seem as very superlative a moralistic, integrity and with great mannerism but definitely he is cynical, Shrewd and manipulative to me, the one who uses others shoulder to fire gun. I don't agree an astute lawyer can't see through the things, meanline a big lawyer has hawk eyes who can see the pray and lure the danger. Innocenous how much he portray but a successful lawyer can never be tre. His advise to his son Bada lawyer woh hota hai joh case adalat mein jaane na de...meaning lot of connotation, falsely away of bribing policy... And good are those who fight like idiots for years and years. I strongly oppose such catch towards ball, he showed his son wrong path. All it bmeans to reach the zeilth, he had the give and take relationship of bribes. Context suits Mr. Ramnath 'bada lawyer'

Khosla is into forgery business then in what context Ramnath is much convinced that Khosla won't play double standard with Varun. Portraying himself as moralistic and superlative what made him think that Varun is dealing in right preposition, not at all being straight forward..crookedness at its best.
Though with a fake personna of bended eyes, why he wants Sravan to leave the case, is it right on lawyer side to leave the case when close to verdict. Why he always wants to come between his son happiness. To make his Malhotra family intact, how can he risk ShraMan reputation. Why to sacrifice for the superficiality when he himself was convinced that Sravan is goin to win the case...and himself being an astute lawyer..Mr. Ramnath, he could have kept khosla consignment inside Varun pocket or he just wants to play around this way. At times, I feel Khosla is merely a pawn but actual gameplay hide behind his back. Big question remains, why the house is as it is of Suman. There has to be somebody loyal and known to get so much detailing about Tiwari else its very practical and illogical to turn case after 10 years.
Ramnath wants what he wants. He goes extra mileage to achieve this goal. The guy is challenging,the house intrigue me, definately too much into mind games. He wanted his son to study abroad so would have definately manipulated Suman elsewhere by no means she would have left him go off and would nt even have contacted for ten year's since she doesn't want to come between his career and happiness. His action and expression speak other story more than words. when Sravan called mother selfish and disrespected all women, then why his eyes downfalls.. Several instance their to prove that more than love, too much Obsession's, possessiveness and control on his son. He wants family under his control, no doubt he gave 2 crore without checking business contract and giving advisory. He seem Suman as threat so he didn't allow her to contact him. He was not happy that Suman got to know beforehand of he leaving to London.
Lot is more to come,he is shades of grey and intriguing person hide behind the bush to show ita real persona


Thanks, Meg.

I feel one of the things about this show is that none of teh characters are that black...because they are all so realistic.

What Ramnath did on Friday...was so wrong at so many levels as everyone has described...Point is, Shravan knows it and questions it...and Ramnath himself acknowledges it...There is no emotional blackmail...just a plea...he comes across as a flawed person, who has to choose between his friend and his family..

As for Suman's house being the same...I feel it was opened up after the case only very recently...so it stayed just the same and the caretaker looked after it until the case was settled (cases)...the way Khosla walked in and asked Gogol for renovations...felt like he had just bought it a few weeks back and was planning on what to do with it!
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: chicksoup

Thanx for the detailed reply. 😊

I don't consider Ranmnath manipulative with his family...He is just CLUELESS as to how to keep everyone happy...He cannot afford further erosion there...so for him, I guess family comes before his profession.

Ramnath meeting Sumo at the stairs...was exactly as Shravan described his meeting with Shravan...He couldn't meet her eye...beyond that there was no animosity I perceived...Just that it looked bad that he would turn away a friend for his family...

As for Priya being the cause for the fights between Shravan's parents...She died ten long years before they separated...I doubt there is any Priya angle to their story.


Ohh yess you are right, thanks for clarifying on the timings .. yess Priya has no angle to Shravan's parents .. she doesn't fit it .. ...

rest of it, agreed ... he is not directly saying family is above profession as here profession is also related to tiwari ji. , who is again family . basically he is clueless and not able to weigh it down, meaning he is in "dharam sankat "


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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: hagen

Even I feel Ramnath is very manipulative because when ramnath confronted angrily that he can tell suman about him leaving to london and not to his family before .It showed that he doesn't consider suman as his family member and when shravan said she is an outsider .Ramnath did not oppose it and even now when kamini said that shravan is helping outsiders he did not defend or oppose her which indirectly means that he doesn't consider them as his family .Maybe he has lot of respect for nanu but when it comes to his family that is his 1st priority. Somewhere I feel that ramnath is the one who has put an inferiority complex in sumo that she has no right over shravan because she is no match for him and that might be the key reason why suman feels that she cannot say anything to him about how she feels about him.😒


I doubt if Ramnath has any clue as to what Shravan feels for Sumo...if he did, he would openly comment about it...and I feel he'd be happy if the whole family was happy about it...If someone had an objection, he would ask Shravan to rethink...Ramnath seems to function with only one emotion, apparently...FAMILY!

But I wouldn't call him manipulative...just indecisive...😳
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: chicksoup

...Well, not as straightforward as he looks, I suppose.😲😆

Here is a man who wants to have a united family at the cost of his son's happiness...The very same dad who would forgive his son for disobeying him and staying back for some other reason ONLY BECAUSE that some other reason was something he himself endorsed...

He could also be the same man who requested Suman to get Shravan to go to London for higher studies...we will know more about that in the future, I hope.

So...It is all about him, eh?

His dreams of a big family..His dreams for his son..His ideas on where one should sacrifice their values...

And in the light of the new spoiler about the fb of Suman's and Shravan's mothers meeting...Yeh aadmi kya cheez hai?...Waiting for further revelations. 😆

...And I absolutely hated the way he refused to comfort Suman as she stood at the stairs, broken...😡..You better grow up by the time they get married, Sasurji! 😳

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I beg to differ !
His dreams for his son are good, his intention of keeping the family together is unrealistic but not bad, His reason for sacrifice was actually noble - he likely will not take money from TiwariJi and yet does it for him out of admiration!
👏👏👏 - applause worthy causes and dreams if only more people in the world had such wonderful altruistic dreams !

He trusted Shravan's judgement about Varun's business, but he gives Varun money for a greater good, which was to keep the peace in the family.
Even now he does not say dont do it, but he says consider the greater good. He could not look his son in the eye, where does he have the guts to tell Suman who has so much to loose that he wants to keep his family together therefore, he prefers his son to pick the greater good? He adores Mr Tiwari, to let him suffer in his time of need- that is a difficult fact to justify to himself. So he looks away, cause he has nothing to offer no comfort & no solution!.
I don't think he is sinister, I think the CVs must keep the character as is and not make him a bad guy. there are enough bad people in this already!

Also we dont know why his wife left him, she is possibly another Kamini herself, in fact even worse, kyunki woh mudkar ek baar bhi apne beta ki teraf nahi deki!
So perhaps, he has separation anxiety like Shravan and Sumo do too, therefore he wants to keep what he has left as dis-functional as they are together.

If he wants his dreams for his son to come true and they are good for his son i dont see anything wrong with it, i think we are trying to make him bad unnecessarily when the reasons for all this strife is the useless Varun - bada aaya businessman banne, when he cant distinguish a bad contract from a good one! And of course his free-loader mother Kamini! She wants all Ramnath's wealth to go to her sons and not Shravan! In fact she wants it all not even sharing equally - disgusting character - lots of people in the real world like her! Love the actress though she really makes me hate KAMINI :👏👏👏 great job acting like Kamini!


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Posted: 9 years ago
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Yay! I agree with you, that is so over used! Shravan they showed was heart broken when his mom left and further devastated when his best friend let him down. So he decided to go to England and at least make his dad happy! I dont think Ramanth's goal for his son to study in Oxford was a bad one or that he had anything to do with these two not talking for years.
why his wife left him, why did she not take her son with her, why she did not bother with her son for so many years? all questions to be answered. Was it Ramanth, was it Kamini, was it herself? Paths to be explored for the CVs to not make it the same old same old! Maybe his wife was not a person who commits. Maybe she suffers from depression, maybe she had a incurable disease and wanted to keep sharvan from the trauma of dealing with it day2day! maybe she was just ambitious and was coerced into marriage by her parents and all she wanted was a career. there are so many avenues to pursue, no need to change the character of a person who sits by his guru's feet into this devil who separates 2 young people for what? He is and has been rich enough to send both of them to England if he thought she was keeping Shravan from his goal! Also it seemed like Sharvan had a choice, his father wanted him to go, but it seemed like it was Shravan's decision to go, because the father was pleasantly surprised when he said I will go!
Maybe the man uses all his lawyering skills for his work and at home he likes to keep it simple! i know surgeons who dont treat family, they say it is too emotional and it makes them loose their judgement!

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Soup...nice post...the beauty of EDKV...every character here merits a post!!
I am a fence sitter as far as Ramnath is concerned and personally would be disappointed if he had anything to do with the Sumo-shravan teenage event...simply becos it would take away from the beautiful penmanship of Suman's character sketch.

I see Sumo as a character that has evolved and is now seen through Shravan's eyes...a reinforcement for the way Shravan always felt pulled towards her.. He continues to rediscover her thru new yet old eyes...She remains his centre of gravity to which he will stay rooted
her"flaws" then and Shravan's bearing grudge for a long time make for a lovely tale..would be a let down if she was shown as a sacrificing 16 year old...well they had better have a more sensible approach to that backstory if they choose a twist like that 😆

anyways...not wishing to preempt the story telling her but just that all these characters are finely nuanced..be it the Mami or Masi or Ramnath or Chachi...all these just provide the perfect conflict points for the story.

Ramnath's disinterest in Sumo looks apt becos he is perhaps less concerned with anyone other than Raghuvar Tiwari from that clan...to me Ramnath seems a guy who will remember a favour done but less likely to allot favours freely...If he indeed knows Sumo's influence in shravan's life...he would take her more seriously than he seems to as of now. she just exists in the periphery for him...This may be turning point when he perhaps starts to notice her and her covert influence in Shravan's life...Interesting to see how he will react to that discovery!!
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Posted: 9 years ago
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I have a theory maybe it could have been like this, Ramanath maybe had asked Suman to help him convince Shravan to go to London, and she might have agreed. But then maybe Shravan than got to know about his mother leaving him.

And went to Suman to talk but she in to saving her reputation have said all that so she went to him to apologise but he didn't wait and went away. And she didn't want to apologise to him over the internet or on the phone but in person??
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