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Posted: 13 years ago
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Hey Guys,
I know most of you probably already know this, but the Sagars are not directing DBSK...it's someone called Bhushan Patel, and Sagar Pictures (Moti Sagar and Meenakshi Sagar) are only producing it.
I know the junior Sagars aren't too great of directors, but they're not this bad either, are they? I guess it explains most of the inaccuracies in this show since the Sagars don't have much say in the direction. I haven't seen any other Sagar mytho, old or new, that distorted the characters and stories to this extent, so it's more believable coming from a new director who's just trying his hand at amytho.
Here's the list of the crew members for those who are interested...
Crew
  • Director...Bhushan Patel
  • Creative Director...Shubhobroto Sengupta
  • Producer...Moti Sagar, Meenakshi Sagar
  • Creative Producers...Amrit Sagar Chopra, Akash Sagar Chopra
  • Music/Lyrics...Ravindra Jain
  • Background Score...Akash, Vihan replaced by Inder Bawra, Sunny Bawra
  • Research...D.P. Vyass
  • Story Developer...Ram Sadekar
  • Screenplay...Kamal Pandey
  • Cinematography...Deepak Malvankar
  • Dialogues...Raghuvir Shekhawat
  • Editors...Santosh Singh, K. Rajgopal, Vikash Kumar Jha
  • Online Editor...Nikhil Jadav
  • Casting Consultant...Umesh Yamgar
  • Art Director...Chokkas Bhaardwaj
  • Costumes...Sheela Sagar
  • Associate Designer...Shikha Dhawan
  • Costume Assistant...Geeta Sagar
  • Creative Heads...Angira Vats, Yoma Shreshtha
  • Associate Creative Heads..Neha Bharadwaj,Akshay Patil
  • Production Executives...Arun Dubey, Oydsteven Gomus, Vijay Poojari
  • Post Production Head...Dipesh Upadhyay
  • Visual Effects...Hardik Subhash Gajjar, Ankur Srivastava

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Thanks for sharing. Let anybody produce it, direct it, but such major mistakes are not acceptable. The channel is also responsible for allowing such a show, which represents Lord Krishna with many inacuracies. The biggest advantage or disadvantage about a mytho show is, story is known by most of the viewers, various books are available for references, so any mistake is noticed immediately. Here many times sentiments are hurt, which can be ignored sometimes, but not always. So whoever is producing & directing, have to be very responsible & show the story as per the books, which is not very difficult.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Mistakes in popular stories which we probably heard from otur grandmothers and they heard from their Grandmothers is uncalled for
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Yeah, I agree with both of you that all directors have to show the epic properly, but it's hard to believe that the Sagars could be so ignorant about Krishna's story since they have a good reputation with showing mythos accurally, more than any other directors...generally the production house is not in charge of storyline or anything. They just pay for the sets, costumes, actors' saleries, etc, while the director and script writer are mainly in charge of storyline. The people listed for those I haven't heard of before, so do any of you know whether they are any good?
I'm just trying to understand how DBSK CVs could have shown these stories so badly, even many 5 year olds know the true version that happens during tulaabharam and sudama, as they are very famous stories which parents and grandparents tell children all the time.😕
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: JanakiRaghunath

Yeah, I agree with both of you that all directors have to show the epic properly, but it's hard to believe that the Sagars could be so ignorant about Krishna's story since they have a good reputation with showing mythos accurally, more than any other directors...generally the production house is not in charge of storyline or anything. They just pay for the sets, costumes, actors' saleries, etc, while the director and script writer are mainly in charge of storyline. The people listed for those I haven't heard of before, so do any of you know whether they are any good?

I'm just trying to understand how DBSK CVs could have shown these stories so badly, even many 5 year olds know the true version that happens during tulaabharam and sudama, as they are very famous stories which parents and grandparents tell children all the time.😕

no, i don't think Sagars r ignorant. i think they r doing it purposefully, just to raise the contraversies.
if they really cared for, they would have checked , previous Sri Krishna, produced by Ramanand Sagar, himself. so does these Sagars think, ramanandji was wrong and all intelligence is with these ppl only. coz what they r showing now totally different than what Ramanandji and Sagars shown previously.
or has thses Sagars got legal rights to make any changes in original story, or have they started thinking themselves as ' Maharshi Vyas' who wrote both Bhagavatam and Mahabharata?
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Is it fair to assume that Shiela & Geeta Sagar are a part of Sagar Pictures? In which case, in the costumes department, they've done an abominable job - the only person whose costumes they got right was Krishna's, and a few others - the devas, Narakasura and Mura and their womenfolk. Everyone else - Balarama, Rukmini, Rukmi, Sishupala, Jarasandha, Satyabhama, Shalva, Dantavatra, et al - look like they're Yavanas from another era, somewhat like Kalyavan.
Direction has been bad, but it's compounded by the actors themselves being pretty clueless about their story settings. C'mon, this ain't Balika Vadhu or Geet or Preeto where they depend on the directors for everything: this story is well known, so they should be able to act their parts authentically at least for the historical portions.
And even allowing that they're wanting in even that, knowing how husbands were addressed not just then, but even recently - in every saas bahu show, the saases never address their husbands by name-ji, they do things like suniye... This much at least one should be able to expect from these TV actresses, even if they don't know that husbands were addressed as Aryaputra. But RJS all love addressing Krishna as Kanha, Giridhar, Murlidhar, etc. Where did they learn that?
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Nice points sweet_diksha, maybe yes they're trying to create contoversies😡 I wonder is there possibility that the channel has interfered in their work & made them take a step like this. I'm sure this channel loves controversies that's why controversial reality shows are shown for the sake of TRPs😡 & the best part it doesn't work😈


Vrish, here I do agree with you on this point that actors should do some research on their own if it is a histo or mytho & try to get an insight on the characters they're playing rather than depending on the spoon-feeding by the director as it's not difficult to get info. Watching serials or movies in not only the solution, there a lot of books available & in today's world where everything is possible to find on the Internet, the research can be done easily.

But then this applies only if the CVs stick to the facts completely😆 But if the CVs create their own version all the time then it becomes a bit difficult😉

Talking about the way the woman address their husbands in a mytho, obviously the name of the husband can't be mentioned at all. In fictional daily soaps today, there's nothing wrong if the wife addresses her husband with his name only or adds a "ji" behind But such liberty is not allowed in mytho in the name of creative license or modernization or any other excuse saying that they want the common people to understand & take liberty in language😵 Talking about the language being simplified so that people understand is not a suitable reason for simplifying the way the wives addressing their husbands in a mytho. If that's so then in future if a serial on Krishna is made again then to make the young generation understand it easily will the wives be shown addressing Krishna using a short pet name as Krish, will they call him Darling, Sweetheart & all that?😲🤡Sorry bad joke!😳

Addressing Krishna as Murlidhar might not be wrong in the sense if it's looked as if it's not his name but referring to the person who carries a flute all the time😎 but if it is looked as a name then using it to address the husband should be avoided When Narad asked Satyabhama who's the dearest person for her she said Shree Krishna😲👎🏼 I don't think that was appropriate as I said these ladies should start avoiding using his name at all bcoz in those times ladies never mentioned their husband's name thinking it would actually decrease the days of his life. Instead of using Kanha, Krishna or Kanhaiya or any other name they can use Swaami or Prabhu or Aryaputra or even Dwarkadhessh. But I prefer, they avoid using Suniye in a mytho, as it lacks divinity in my POV. It can be used only in fictional tales not here.


But then I think the actresses are just speaking out what's been given to them in the paper I wonder who writes the dialogues here😕 Well if that is so, then I guess it's high time the actresses give a tight slap to the dialogue writers😈 & use their own brains😆

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Posted: 13 years ago
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I agree with you guys that the wives calling Krishna 'Kanha' or by his other names is not very proper. The only women who addressed Krishna like that were Radharani and the Gopis, but they were never Krishna's wives and his relationship with them was different from that of his wives', so while it's acceptable for Radha calling Krishna 'Kanha' or 'Shyam' or something like that, a more formal address is required from Krishna's wives. I don't think 'Muralidhar' or 'Dwarikadheesh' is wrong at all, because those were more of Krishna's titles than his actual names back then. We see Sita calling Ram 'Raghunandan' or 'Raghunath' or something like that in Ramayan, but it's acceptable because she's addressing him as the 'Lord of the Raghus' than his actual name. Aryaputra was not the only address women gave their husbands back then. Depending on lineage, there were other titles too and anything besides husband's name was fine.
So I'm fine with hearing Rukmini and the others addressing Krishna as 'Dwarikadheesh', 'Yadukul Shiromani', 'Muralidhar', or something like that. Just 'Krishna' or 'Shree Krishna' or 'Shyam' or his more common names are not very proper.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: vik rocks

I wonder who writes the dialogues here😕 Well if that is so, then I guess it's high time the actresses give a tight slap to the dialogue writers😈 & use their own brains😆

Here's the dialogue writer...whoever he is, he has space for lots of improvement.🥱
Dialogues...Raghuvir Shekhawat
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: _Vrish_

And even allowing that they're wanting in even that, knowing how husbands were addressed not just then, but even recently - in every saas bahu show, the saases never address their husbands by name-ji, they do things like suniye... This much at least one should be able to expect from these TV actresses, even if they don't know that husbands were addressed as Aryaputra. But RJS all love addressing Krishna as Kanha, Giridhar, Murlidhar, etc. Where did they learn that?


The name-ji form of address seems to be catching on... Simar (in Sasural Simar ka) goes "prem ji prem ji..." which I find very funny😆 😆. Sorry if I am offending any North Indian traditions here... but if you can call your husband by name, then the ji suffix is pretty reduntant. 😛 Anandi has no qualms about calling Jagya, Jagya (that too right under Dadias's nose)

What is worse to hear is Krishna address his wives as "aap". It seems so artificial. Ram did not do so (in both RS ans AS versions) neither did Krishna (in the RS version)


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