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Never ever, never again.
Why do our serials end up in a mashed up storyline which makes a caricature of all the stars involved.
In trying to keep both group of fans happy, this serial is losing both
. i don't know whether to laugh or cry the way the serial is shaping up now.

First, the story -
Is Viraj (whether a baby or a villain) the only saviour of the Raghav clan ? What a way to treat a story. Arrey if two members of the clan have been killed, pursue their cases in the court, take them to the press, raise hue and cry through social groups, have some doctor's forums raise their voice against brutal murder of doctor komal. But here, what the fish, what's happening, Raghav against the law, Raghav getting shot, Gayatri helpless. A woman with grit like Gayatri can not and should not be shown helpless or scene after scene in home or kitchen, i would love and expect to see her fighting it out with the grit, zeal and infallible determination she was shown with. God, i loved her character even more than ...more than anybody else's charisma or portrayal on the show. She was a role model, how dignified in old age, vow. Reduced to what... a helpless mother with two children already dead, others in danger. Some women empowerment this. i was also maddened by the Tanisha sundar match. did they not show earlier that Tanisha topped some exams i her college. Sundar was shown in the garage and i am not sure they gave us hic academeic background. Tanisha was the one who loved party's and glamour. where are her dresses and jeans now. Please don't cliche married women with Sarees and suits only, CV's. Get a reality check.

The stars
Sorry to say, though i rarely dislike KVB's mannerisms, but these days, what he is emoting is hardly childish and hardly mental. Merely speaking in english in a tone lower than earlier is not the stuff stars are made of. Where is the emotion in the eyes ? anything, a mad man's whim, a child's longing, anything would be welcome. His reaction to yesterday's shooting of Raghav ? oh Gawd, it was miles away from concern of a child. Please CV's stop this torture. I am into this show, galti ho gayi, save the story now, and i really will never again associate myself with a show which is at loggerheads with all logic.
Ditto for Sia. My younger sister noticed a day before (when Raghav was on the run), the scene where she hands over the medicine to Gayatri.. gosh ! you cant make out whether she is smiling or she is crying. Lips partly opened, all dialogues with a smiling expression no change in expression, emotions evading the eyes. The kind of makeup the lady is being forced on the eyes, hardly allows her to display troubled eyes. Please, enough of the monotone dialogue delivery where she is either shrieking or smiling or scolding with three in one expression.
Raghav, yes, the only person who appears sane in this highly asylum seeking plot.


We were much better off in the track where the three stars were toghether. Jhanvi with Raghav as Sia and Viraj hunting for jhanvi. I know that track was not meant to last forever, neither the courtship, nor the hunt. But anything better than this brutal mash up of all characters and death defying logic scenes. The king of cliche scene award goes to the heroine taking out the bullet from the hero's arm.
So, were we not better off with the earlier track ? A coy Raghav, a beautiful sia, and a menacing Viraj - all actors in their forte. so many twists were possible thus

- Sia proving that she was born sia and viraj trying to prove jhanvi existed even in gurgaon.
- Sia and Raghav on a holiday far off and Viraj trying to trace out the location a la Shahrukh in Darr.
- i would even have forgiven a plot with a kidnapped sia with Viraj and Raghav on the hunt
-Sia being convinced by Gayatri to give the last chance to viraj after any punishment of her choice
Anything where the three were together. Since serial plots are not my bread and butter, so those whose earnings are based on good TRP's could have done better thinking jobs definitely.


Now, i think the three are never getting back together in a plot which is apt enough to glorify all three. Miss those scenes where KVB would fill the screen with long determined strides in black suits. Can't take Viraj as a perpetual kid. would not like it either if Raghav was taken away from the story and Viraj and sia toghether a la anil kapoor in Eeshwar. Raghav looked charming in those checked shirts.
Anything with all three. or at least, anything with logic would do. But i think CV's and logic are never ever getting back toghether again.

Sorry folks, this frustration was killing me. look at all the time i gave to this serial. and what logic is being thrust down my throat. I'd have choked. No offense, please, i respect all actors, and would have liked to respect the CV's as well.




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Posted: 12 years ago
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@sector

Thank you for making this topic and pointing out everything that frustrates me as well. It's much appreciated.
TV shows end up butchered because the focus is TRPs, not the story and its characters; TV shows end up butchered because the writers of the show don't pen down characters, their timelines/journeys, story progression, etc. from the start and stick to it. Instead they make changes -- TRPs focused changes -- along the way and stray from the essence of their original story/characters.
Look at TV shows in Hollywood. I'll give an example of a show that I'm following right now called Teen Wolf. The writer of the show penned down every character, regardless of how small his/her role was in the overall scheme. He made sure that all characters were given complete justice, and he only introduced characters that had an actual purpose -- not just to provide entertainment for the sake of entertainment.
Furthermore, he knew that he had 13 episodes per season. Thus he planned the plot and story with the fact in mind that he had to show a logical process of events and conclusion of events throughout 13 episodes, along with building the characters scene by scene until all of it came together with the moral and message intact.
The moral which is the most important part of the show -- it was never lost. Whenever any character committed a wrong, there was a consequence and eventually a moral message presented which kept the show's essence intact throughout.
And moral is something that Saubhagyavati Bhava? lost sight of a long time ago.
Coming to your point on characters -- yeah. Gayatri has been reduced to nothing. Retiring doesn't mean that she loses her essence as a powerful and proactive woman. They have reduced her to a housewife, a role that doesn't fit her character at all, because she's been so much more. Komal's death wouldn't make her sit nicely at home, allowing the police to do all the work -- no, she would've gotten actively involved in research, and more so she'd have kept herself preoccupied with work to keep the depression of the loss of Komal at bay. Komal was her kindred spirit, not just a daughter-in-law. The writers have reduced her importance on the show, as well as in Gayatri's life.
Sia looks more like a porcelain doll on the show now. She's back to being the perfect and "I have nothing better to do but worrying about my husband or cleaning the house" female heroine. I thought she'd become a social worker? Doesn't she have cases of abuse to treat instead of staying at home and dressing in colorful saris? Even ashram Didi used to dress in more practical saris than Sia.
Taashu is completely out of character. First, showing her marrying Sundar made no sense whatsoever. She wasn't the type to marry a nobody like Sundar [and he was a nobody to her]. And also she called him "bhaiyya" at one point. I mean, wth? I don't know what they're doing with Sundar's character. They could've shown his struggle and maybe his thought procecesses on the whole battle with Rana and V. I can't figure out whether he's a mechanic or a business man either. I thought he was a high school drop-out or something. And doesn't he have family? What about his background?
Raghav is butchered as well. We all know that Raghav has enough confidence to find Rana on his own, as well as the contacts and money now. Needing V for it is a foolish twist in order to retain V and keep him important. Like I said before, no character is allowed to have a track independent of V. Instead of showing V at the psych ward, dealing with treatment and all-consuming vengeance, they show him like this and make every character's journey dependent on how much he is dictating it. Ridiculous.
Coming to actors -- this is strictly my opinion and as far as I'm concerned, constructive critique is still permitted on this forum.
Black V was KVB's forte. But I don't find him a versatile actor. When he had to convince me of a V with memory loss and be vulnerable, all I saw was self-pity and manipulation. Even now, he doesn't convince me of being a child. I mean, he speaks fluent English half the time. His expressions are bland. His eyes still seem cold to me, like they have from episode one, and so I can't buy the innocence he's trying to portray.
Changing his hair and putting him in shorts doesn't help making him look like a child. He still looks like a full-grown man forced to act childish. The speech, the body language, the expressions -- nothing is working. Krish is a seven/eight year old kid now. He doesn't walk by swaying from side to side. That's a pregnant woman's walk. He could've simply walked naturally without V's suave saunter. His speech is exaggeratedly childish -- my two year old niece actually has a much cleaner and mature speech than V.
My point is that the typically attempted attitude/behavior of a seven year old isn't working here. I'm sure that once writers understand that it's not working, they'll turn the entire story around and say that "V was faking it" when we all know that this was his redemption track -- again.
I don't know. I think that what would've helped KVB portray this character was if he'd done research on the body language and voice modulation of a seven year old. But then I wonder how much time he had to prepare for the role.
There's no logic on this show. The biggest misstep being that Raghav deserted his family right after holding a speech about how he had to protect them from Rana. Where the hell is the logic in that? In LTL, Dutta protected his family, not only with security cameras, but with handplucked armed bodyguards at every door and window. Even when he was at home.
Anyway, that's that.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@Elysia.

Thanks for making an important point that was in my mind but i missed it in my post. Raghav is very capable of keeping his family protected with his local friends, and remember, a few month ago he used his friends help to find out the hideout of Krish's kidnappers.
He helped and grew up with those boys who supposedly know the backwaters of Gurgaon. They can aptly trace Rana. Why should Viraj, his arch enemy help him now, that the writers have not explained through any of the characters.
Why if Viraj is sane (as per Ragahv) and how if Viraj is insane (as per script) ? I can't buy any of that.

to all those who like one certain actor and not the other, this is an a sincere request not to lose sight of logic please. As on today, are we all in a position to tell someone or a new friend that DSDSB is ouvr fav show. How embarrassing, ooouuueee ! Yes, a parallel track of KVB would have been v v welcome. I would have appreciated with pride unlimited if the two male characters would have come together due to logical circumstances and not by force. here action has preceded the explanation. logic would have shown the contrary.

Writers, if someone is reading, please this is a SOS please respect our sensibilities, please believe us, there is still a little of it left in us.


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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: xxxswan

We can help to try the that we appriciate actors and try tell the show that make their show script strong not confusing track and full of interesting twist and tell who is rana and what connection with singh family and with viraj open this topic fast



Yes, may be with opening this aspect fast enough, they can salvage of what is left i the show.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Thankyou...not only is everyone out of character but acting and all is not to standard.
Sriti...she shud keep her mouth shut...I thought when she'll be a stronger woman she will stop the stammering. On one hand shes changez khan...next minute stammering queen. The boys...just watch now for kvb and hc chemistry. Not interested in the storyline anymore...
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: sector

Never ever, never again.
Why do our serials end up in a mashed up storyline which makes a caricature of all the stars involved.
In trying to keep both group of fans happy, this serial is losing both
. i don't know whether to laugh or cry the way the serial is shaping up now.

First, the story -
Is Viraj (whether a baby or a villain) the only saviour of the Raghav clan ? What a way to treat a story. Arrey if two members of the clan have been killed, pursue their cases in the court, take them to the press, raise hue and cry through social groups, have some doctor's forums raise their voice against brutal murder of doctor komal. But here, what the fish, what's happening, Raghav against the law, Raghav getting shot, Gayatri helpless. A woman with grit like Gayatri can not and should not be shown helpless or scene after scene in home or kitchen, i would love and expect to see her fighting it out with the grit, zeal and infallible determination she was shown with. God, i loved her character even more than ...more than anybody else's charisma or portrayal on the show. She was a role model, how dignified in old age, vow. Reduced to what... a helpless mother with two children already dead, others in danger. Some women empowerment this. i was also maddened by the Tanisha sundar match. did they not show earlier that Tanisha topped some exams i her college. Sundar was shown in the garage and i am not sure they gave us hic academeic background. Tanisha was the one who loved party's and glamour. where are her dresses and jeans now. Please don't cliche married women with Sarees and suits only, CV's. Get a reality check.

The stars
Sorry to say, though i rarely dislike KVB's mannerisms, but these days, what he is emoting is hardly childish and hardly mental. Merely speaking in english in a tone lower than earlier is not the stuff stars are made of. Where is the emotion in the eyes ? anything, a mad man's whim, a child's longing, anything would be welcome. His reaction to yesterday's shooting of Raghav ? oh Gawd, it was miles away from concern of a child. Please CV's stop this torture. I am into this show, galti ho gayi, save the story now, and i really will never again associate myself with a show which is at loggerheads with all logic.
Ditto for Sia. My younger sister noticed a day before (when Raghav was on the run), the scene where she hands over the medicine to Gayatri.. gosh ! you cant make out whether she is smiling or she is crying. Lips partly opened, all dialogues with a smiling expression no change in expression, emotions evading the eyes. The kind of makeup the lady is being forced on the eyes, hardly allows her to display troubled eyes. Please, enough of the monotone dialogue delivery where she is either shrieking or smiling or scolding with three in one expression.
Raghav, yes, the only person who appears sane in this highly asylum seeking plot.


We were much better off in the track where the three stars were toghether. Jhanvi with Raghav as Sia and Viraj hunting for jhanvi. I know that track was not meant to last forever, neither the courtship, nor the hunt. But anything better than this brutal mash up of all characters and death defying logic scenes. The king of cliche scene award goes to the heroine taking out the bullet from the hero's arm.
So, were we not better off with the earlier track ? A coy Raghav, a beautiful sia, and a menacing Viraj - all actors in their forte. so many twists were possible thus

- Sia proving that she was born sia and viraj trying to prove jhanvi existed even in gurgaon.
- Sia and Raghav on a holiday far off and Viraj trying to trace out the location a la Shahrukh in Darr.
- i would even have forgiven a plot with a kidnapped sia with Viraj and Raghav on the hunt
-Sia being convinced by Gayatri to give the last chance to viraj after any punishment of her choice
Anything where the three were together. Since serial plots are not my bread and butter, so those whose earnings are based on good TRP's could have done better thinking jobs definitely.


Now, i think the three are never getting back together in a plot which is apt enough to glorify all three. Miss those scenes where KVB would fill the screen with long determined strides in black suits. Can't take Viraj as a perpetual kid. would not like it either if Raghav was taken away from the story and Viraj and sia toghether a la anil kapoor in Eeshwar. Raghav looked charming in those checked shirts.
Anything with all three. or at least, anything with logic would do. But i think CV's and logic are never ever getting back toghether again.

Sorry folks, this frustration was killing me. look at all the time i gave to this serial. and what logic is being thrust down my throat. I'd have choked. No offense, please, i respect all actors, and would have liked to respect the CV's as well.






@Bold blue: Totally agree with you. Gayatri has been reduced and wasted.

@ Bold Red: I read through another post which said the very opposite of what you are saying reg. KVB's as the child Viraj, and what an excellent performance it is by KVB. I started another post a few days ago (which never really took off) about the damaging effects of Electric Shocks on the brain.

Anyone with brain damage, will be reduced, may regress, become child-like, but no, they don't become a true, normal, an actual child of a particular age, like say 7 or 5 or 3 etc.

In brain damaged persons the change in behavior, regression, memory loss etc. are an aberration in behavior (that resembles a baby/child), NOT behavior of a normal/average/regular/mainstream etc. etc. person/child. Also, they can be completely blank and unresponsive to even extreme stimuli, unlike anyone who has their wits about them.

So, I think Viraj's portrayal of a regressed Viraj is very engaging and convincing.

P.S. With reg. to faking, I suspect that Viraj is at least partially faking his state of mind. But with his first memory loss in the Singh house, we now know Viraj was totally faking it.

However, after his stay in the mental asylum and a systematic effort to create a brain-washed) Viraj, I feel that his present mental state is at least partly real.


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@critical eyes

Yes, i think you have a point there. May be that forced shock therapy has left him in the lurch i.e. not think / behave like a seven year old. May be, quite possible.

Regarding faking, a totally unrelated thought has been haunting me since a couple of days. I see several threads from hitherto unknown members - or people we never heard from earlier, posting some very amusing threads. some of these threads praise one / another actor as if he were the tom hanks of hindi serials, but are from members who were till now invisible. They have surfaced only when the tension on this forum has already built up like what they say a guitar wire ! I feel these threads simply go on to instigate other fan groups since almost everybody on this serial's forum (including me ) are losing patience with the CV's.

so lets hold our hands together while on this forum and spread a little more sunshine so the venom spread by such threads doesn't spread far. You know, i may prefer one actor over the another, but i really really love the kind of devotion the fans have towards the other actor. A marvel of totally unconditional love, so pure, so genuine...leaves me with a sweet taste...

Back to what critical eyes has posted, either V is faking, or is in regression though not seven, in both the cases, the make up / costume is utter waste. The kind of physique KVB has is difficult to be portrayed as a kid or as imbalanced. Saw a news clipping about Vidya Balan in the dirty Picture...the last few scenes where she has bloated and almost ageing. Well the clipping said that to achieve the effect, she was given costumes which were two sizes smaller than hers so that they seemed ill-fitting and the lady appeared undignified plump. Here, V's vest, Capri or T everything is well fitting, whether it is the shoulder or the Hip. so what are the makeup people, dress designers doing for the required effect ?
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Originally posted by: sector

@critical eyes

Yes, i think you have a point there. May be that forced shock therapy has left him in the lurch i.e. not think / behave like a seven year old. May be, quite possible.

Regarding faking, a totally unrelated thought has been haunting me since a couple of days. I see several threads from hitherto unknown members - or people we never heard from earlier, posting some very amusing threads. some of these threads praise one / another actor as if he were the tom hanks of hindi serials, but are from members who were till now invisible. They have surfaced only when the tension on this forum has already built up like what they say a guitar wire ! I feel these threads simply go on to instigate other fan groups since almost everybody on this serial's forum (including me ) are losing patience with the CV's.

so lets hold our hands together while on this forum and spread a little more sunshine so the venom spread by such threads doesn't spread far. You know, i may prefer one actor over the another, but i really really love the kind of devotion the fans have towards the other actor. A marvel of totally unconditional love, so pure, so genuine...leaves me with a sweet taste...

Back to what critical eyes has posted, either V is faking, or is in regression though not seven, in both the cases, the make up / costume is utter waste. The kind of physique KVB has is difficult to be portrayed as a kid or as imbalanced. Saw a news clipping about Vidya Balan in the dirty Picture...the last few scenes where she has bloated and almost ageing. Well the clipping said that to achieve the effect, she was given costumes which were two sizes smaller than hers so that they seemed ill-fitting and the lady appeared undignified plump. Here, V's vest, Capri or T everything is well fitting, whether it is the shoulder or the Hip. so what are the makeup people, dress designers doing for the required effect ?



@ Bold: True. His clothing is too clean and regular for someone on the run and half unaware of themselves and their surroundings.

It's like in most TV serials, the women are decked up in heavy jewellery and clothing/make-up etc. even when they are shown going to bed.

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