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Posted: 13 years ago
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My comments in red.

Originally posted by: chandnixxx

People are not just black or white, they are grey, They have layers.

There are people, Chandu, who are just evil. Plain and simple. We've all heard how serial killers supposedly have a traumatic childhood that results in their psychopathy. But it's a misconception that all serial killers have a traumatic childhood. In fact, there are cases in which the psychopath had a perfectly normal childhood with doting parents.
I watched a documentary recently in which a such serial killer was interviewed. You saw a man as normal as any other, sitting in a chair. I didn't know that he was the killer until he said "I had fantasies..." The thing is that men like him are just evil. That he could sit with disturbing calm and speak of his actions -- sex with his dead victims, cutting them up and keeping their heads as souvenirs in his freezer. How? This was the same man who -- as a boy -- had a dog whom he loved and cared for.
He had no conscience now. No remorse. Nothing.
People can be black, Chandu. People can be sheer evil. V, even as a boy, was shown with a strange likeness for hurting people and it bringing him pleasure. I.e. he'd hurt his sister -- and then exercise further power over her by "saving" her and get an appreciative hug from his very blind foster parents.
He manipulated them at an early age. The things that he did and the way that he grew up has given birth to a lot of psychopaths in this world. And we've seen V's psychopathy to a large extent -- he's capable of murder and rape. What else is left?
There were so many opportunities to show that there is more to the character then the one dimensional route his character has taken. 🥱 Maybe the fault doesn't lie with the writers entirely but the writers have failed ( and failed miserably ) to show that he is capable of any genuine emotion. The man isn't capable of redemption. He has no soul, He isn't capable of anything genuine PERIOD.
That's the thing. It's too late now. They missed all opportunities to make V remorseful. It's something that should've been introduced from episode one -- if they actually wanted him to be worthy of redemption and sympathy, then they should've shown us his remorse from the first episode, shown us his struggle with his own demons when alone.
They didn't do that. They showed him with no conscience. No remorse. They continued to emphasize that he represented the Devil, all things evil. Whenever he did wrong, they just showed him walking away from it without remorse. Now, after everything he's done, and all the missed opportunities -- now, when it's too late, they want to redeem him? Give him shades and whatnot?
Because now it would be wrong to introduce a redemption track for him. You cannot, and I repeat, you cannot redeem a black character. V is black. He is evil. It's too late to change it now. Whatever they do now to turn him positive will be disliked, will disgust, and will in fact present a very wrong message to society.
Yes, men have the potential to be/do good or evil, but some men choose evil. And then they are just that -- evil. No shades.
Oh and since his character is black ( The issue of his character being black is not up for debate it's obvious he is ) Can we please see some sort of punishment / Justice for his black deeds ... Some sort of justice for his victims please !
Another point. They have shown no justice to the victims of his nonstop abuse. It's beyond pathetic. It's shameful. I have very little respect for the CVs of this show now. Very little. I wonder if they lack the insight or lack the humanity needed to understand what damage, and how they've made victims of abuse feel due to their V-glorification.
Perhaps they had always intended V to be this larger then life glorified wife beater, but the audience NEED to see something different in relation to V now because it is getting beyond tedious hearing the " i am coming for you jaan " jhaap that he does. There were and are a million things to show in relation to V that won't make the audience sicker then they are of him. Like sending him to the nearest psychiatric ward available, like justice for his sister ...
V was larger than life, once upon a time. He isn't anymore. He's repetitive now. And there isn't much one can do about his character. Redemption is out of the question. V has gone too far as a character -- without conscience -- and I can't even imagine the kind of damage it'll do message-wise if they show V redeeming himself. It's just too late.
They will still try. They will give him a sad childhood and try to justify who he is now with what he's been through as a child -- as if anything can excuse his actions now. Still, they'll try. They want to retain V, at all costs. Victims and moral messages matter very little to them, Chandu. We shouldn't fool ourselves to believe otherwise.
Raghavendra Singh: Perhaps the writers don't realise that they have someone who is capable of switching emotions at the drop of a hat. They need to give HC opportunities like lasts night episode. I am not going to go into the way the writers have butchered Raghav's character simply because i could be here all day. There are characters that are currently keeping the audience hooked right now because they are layered. Like i said Human nature isn't black or white ... and Raghav is flawed. The writers needed to explore Raghav, his flaws , His thought processes ... in short what makes him tick.
Raghav will never be given justice on this show. They're not blind to his potential nor the actor's talent. But they've chosen who they'll write for. Raghav could easily become a very unique and larger-than-life male protagonist, but he isn't given the opportunity nor any focus/development from the CVs. And he never will. They had a chance to further layer his character and explore him through his past, but they blew it with the rushed revelation because they'd much rather end all other characters' track and focus back on V.
That's the harsh truth.
Jahnvi /Sia - Perhaps the most unforgivable character assassination of all. The voice of the victim is extremely important in a show that was originally meant to be a " voice against domestic violence" . This was the golden opportunity for Jhanvi / Sia to rediscover herself , For the audience to know more about Jahnvi the woman ... for the writers to add layers to her character.
This started out as "Jahnvi ki kahani", but it's not. She was never the face of this show nor the face that the CVs cared to promote. Her voice was oppressed -- ironic, isn't it? She was supposed to be the strong victim of abuse who raised her voice against violence; the CVs were supposed to write for her -- yet they chose the abuser instead. How sad is that?
She found a support in Raghav and an opportunity as starting a new life -- one that might have given victims hope -- but that story was butchered [again because of V] and people are shallow enough to point at Raghav as the cause of her character oppression rather than what we can all see and know is the obvious cause -- Viraj Dobriyal and the CVs obsession with retaining him.

Edited by Elysia - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: chandnixxx


Ana has an ability to really hit the nail on the head ... chappals included ;)

Oye, shut up, kamini -_- I love you though 🤗
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Posted: 13 years ago
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lovely post chandni

I will not reply to the initial part of ur post coz that character does not exist for me...
I'll just say that some things r non redeemable...no matter way cvs show
Raghav being the lead...i was looking forward to his character being explored...
Right from his entry...he intrigued me...why was he like that...wat made him like that...but sadly nothing was shown
Frankly with the kind of script support he gets...
Its only hc's ability as an actor that he is able to satisfy his audience and convey way his character is supposed to convey
Rem the scene where raghav ties his mom...one micro second focus on his face and u knew fully wat he was facing
The same applies to sis...there is so much that one wants to know...wants to see any her...and the actress too is capable of conveying those emotions beautifully...
But the biggest question is...
will raghav - sia ever get that opportunity?
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Posted: 13 years ago
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@vandy di...i dont think the rate they are going in the show..and the direction the story is heading..R and s will never get that oppurtunity
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Solah ane saachi baat kahi di
Yahaa tak ki jis aurat ka rape uske pati ne kiya ho, uska bacha cheena ho ( kitni laambi list hai uski kaali kartootein ki 😳 ginvate ginvate mein budhi ho joungi ) Wohi aurat apne us pati ko hug karegi ? Chee
Sia aur Raghav to jaise decoreation hai is show mein ! Kehneko jahnvi is the victim, par usike baare mein audiance kitna jaanti hai?
Edited by HarshadAnupriya - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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audience doesnt know anything about anyone except fair amount V's present life in this show...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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A wonderful post Chandini 👏...beautifully worded..and reaching out too. Now since you have mentioned the hues...That is what will be more prominent in this ranting of mine as regards to the characters..and the views here are definitely my perception all the way.

When you paint a canvas... It is advisable that you use a few different hues...It makes the painting more interesting... whereas if you paint the whole canvas in one single hue . It may garner eyeballs initially wondering what the painter is trying to imply...but then later the viewer would probably move on to the next painting without a word for the black canvas.

Same is the case with the characters here in SB

The character of Viraj is much like the canvas which has been painted black all the way... no point or space has been left out to fill in any other hue. Now do such extreme characters exists?..well yes there are as Ana said. But then they are in a very small number. And now that the makers of the show have made Viraj as one of those exceptions..they better know to deal with the monster they have created. You cannot go easy on monster...it needs to be taken down. As for redemption... Do such extreme people like Viraj ever redeem?... would the viewers want them to be redeemed. Well the human side of each may to a certain extent want the redemption more like a wishful thinking..just to see that goodness can get over evil if positivity is harbored...But then a wishful thinking sometimes does tend to overshadow the practicality cause when you rub your eyes to see things clearly...The redemption track is a big NO!!!( in my opinion)...at least not here in SB. Because as per research abusers seldom get back on track and even if they do they are always at the brink to get back to their old menacing ways..You can never be sure.it would be sending out a totally wrong message to the DV victims that their abusive spouses have a hope
to redeem and they may have second thought about their decisions... Is this what creatives are trying to get across?

The character of Raghav is more like the canvas which the artist started with stark colours...which captivated the onlookers...but then as time went by...it was as if the artist went stingy with the colours .. The canvas still is left with many of the places still wanting to be coloured...and the viewers still waiting for the artist to go buy some new hues till they wait.Raghav's character took off as perfect ray of hope that was much needed at that point of story...That itself made his role pivotal to that of the other two main characters... but then the creatives went on to become stingy in peeling off the layers of his characters... and when they sometime did peel off a new layer it was done in a jiffy...so much so that we would be like..Wha???...let the character play...let it grow.
So we have this canvas till incomplete.. still waiting for the hues to be added into the painting which has a potential to be the most appealing one and the one which speaks of hope despite having a few hues suggesting the flaws in the character.

And now coming to the supposedly masterpiece of the whole exhibition...Jahnvi/Siya...
This canvas was supposed to hold on the onlookers...intrigue the critics...with the varied shades added to it. Cause when the artist started painting this one out...he/she was sure aiming at the masterpiece title for it. This canvas was supposed to be filled with different hues...each portraying the phases in the characters life... but then as time progressed we saw the artist loses his muse midway... as if not sure which hue to use next... and ended up putting any which hue he should lay his hands on... just to fill the space...so ruining the picture what once it seemed to be... Now we are left with a canvas.. messed up, with colours strew over mindlessly... with a few blank spaces which are still at the mercy of the artist... All in all it never turned out to be the masterpiece it was supposed to be.Siya's character was one of the most pivotal characters...rather the epicenter or axis on which the whole story rotates...but somewhere down the lane in focusing over some other aspects of Viraj's character...Siya's character took a major beating... the way her character was butchered, her journey left out, her part of story of hope sidelined...that itself made the character shape up as we see it today...not as it was projected to be or rather hoped to be.

I just hope that the artist realizes that he/she has a whole lot of things still left to do:

1) Think how to make Viraj's completely black canvas sell... because even the onlookers would not keep watching it forever.

2) Think and get on to work with filling up the blank spaces in Raghav's character with the desired sensible hues that will satisfy the onlookers.

3) Definitely to get down to make good with whatever blank spaces they have in Siya's character and adding in the hues that the viewers would love seeing...Hues in balance... If it wants to come anywhere near to being called a masterpiece.

Even the other characters have been too neglected in the character development part... just as if the artist was so worked up in trying to complete the work at hand that the other little small paintings hardly got any attention!!!

I as a viewer would certainly like to see how the artist here goes out making amends ...if he/she can do so... and also hope to see the canvases he /she would exhibit from now on would have the hues we want to see them in.


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Posted: 13 years ago
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Snow such a beautiful analysis 🤗

Keeping with the painting analogy, There are times where even the brush strokes by the artist should have caught your eye. Every shade used making you want to see more of that painting in it's entirety.

But that canvas and that painting just leave too much to the imagination.
In fact the artist makes the colours, and the shades they use seem dull.

When Sia escapes from that hell and runs away from Manali, When the demon from her past returns, when Viraj is FINALLY sent to prison and she has a chance to reflect on her journey ... and even the part where she brakes all ties with Viraj legally, and files for a divorce ... The main things people wanted to see in the show just fall flat in the writing department.


P.S I know I'm probably not making sense but oh well 😆



Edited by chandnixxx - 13 years ago

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