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Posted: 13 years ago
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I'm still unwell. Thus the feedback isn't as thorough as I wanted it to be. Bear with me. Will hopefully feel better tomorrow.
Good episode tonight.
>> Pros:
1) Raghav/Sia mock V and tell him to waste his time on finding evidence
Fantastic scene. I loved how the dialogues shifted between Raghav/Sia in turns. It made them seem like a united force, powerful, strong, and kind of hot.
When Sia asked him why V was always chanting his "I want Jahnvi back", I cracked up. I liked the way that Sriti delivered that line.
Her "naa iss janam mein" line was repetitive though.
2) Malhotra tells Raghav/Sia what happened to his daughter
First, I loved how Raghav/Sia took his bike and how she mildly scolded him for it -- like a real wife -- when she saw that he was in pain. I'm loving her genuine care/concern for his condition, for him, lately.
Second, I'm glad that Malhotra showed up and we got to hear him talk about Priya. I just hope that justice will be served here. I'd hoped that maybe Raghav/Sia would attempt to help Priya out of the asylum somehow. That would've been nice.
I also missed Komolika. Though I'm glad that they showed Raghav was still in touch with her.
3) Sia forces Raghav to drink milk
Fantastical scene. Cute. I loved how the ease with which she ordered that he drink and I loved how he complained, but couldn't refuse her. He never can refuse her. Note how he will always complain and mutter and protest, but he'll do anything she asks, in the end.
4) Sia opens up about Krishna to Raghav
I'm glad that the writers had Sia remembering her dead child and that she opened up to Raghav about it. It showed how some psychological injuries of hers might never heal -- perhaps not until she experiences the birth of her child and what it's like to play with it in her lap.
I liked that she told Raghav the name of her dead child and how Krish had made her feel when she first met him at the ashram.
What was sweet about this scene was how Raghav didn't know what to say and instead did a male thing -- handing her a glass of water. But you could see that he could feel her pain and it unsettled him.
5) Raghav tries to make Sundar wake up from his coma
This was a fantastic scene and a much awaited one. It was about time that Raghav went to see Sundar again, that his frustration and concern boiled over, transforming into anger at first, raging accusations, and then grief. Brilliant performance by Harshad.
I especially loved the way that he sat in the chair and rocked. You could feel his thoughts racing, his emotional turmoil, and how he tried hard to restrain those emotions, but failed. Desperation came and went. The way that he threatened Sundar, coaxed, promised, and pleaded -- he tried everything. He spoke to him as a brother, a friend, and even a child -- nothing helped. When he swallowed the cookie, I was done for. That was heartbreaking.
Flawless performance. Just speechless.
Beating his head against the wall, sliding down, and gripping his hair... tragic.
I think that it wasn't just Sundar's condition, but the entire pressure of the situation that did it for him. He's been hurting his mother. He feels guilty about Sundar. He hasn't been able to protect Krish fully from V. The self-blame was obvious as well as the grief over loss of a brother and a friend.
I liked how he told Sia that Sundar was more than a friend. That he was family. That he'd always been there. The fear of losing him was evident.
Tonight, I felt like Raghav finally got this out of his system -- everything that'd happened to Sundar.
6) Sia crouches down next to Raghav and promises him that Sundar won't leave
I really liked that she crouched down next to him, eye-level, comforting him with her mere presence and a few words to raise his spirits. What was noticable here was how Sia was immersed in Raghav's pain whereas before she always seemed too distracted in her own.
7) Taashu wants to save her brother from Sia
Naturally. She already suspected Sia, and V just confirmed her suspicions. She'd believe anything against Sia at this point since she witnessed what she did in Sia's room.
>> Cons:
1) Not all scenes were played out
For instance, the scene in which Malhotra tells Raghav/Sia about his daughter. I would've liked to see it play out rather than cut short at Sia's shocked expression. For one thing, it's an important reminder that V has destroyed innocent people's lives -- his sister included.
2) How come Raghav/Sia don't turn in the CCTV tapes recording V's murder talk?
They have him scheming murder on tape. I suggest that they show the tape to Gayatri. It might just benefit their case.
3) Didn't Gayatri tell V to stay away from everyone in the house?
Then what was he doing with Taashu in her room, and what was Taashu doing letting him in her room? Another Priya in the making, I swear. Just a less extreme version.
4) Malhotra's comment on V and remorse
What is that supposed to mean? That V, at some point, will understand/feel the depth and meaning of the pain that he causes others and, what, feel remorse? Um, no. Not a chance in hell. V's character was established as unredeemable and every step of the way, he has been shown as someone without conscience, without even the slightest hint of remorse at the things he has done/does -- and most importantly, he represents the Devil.
Just what are the writers hinting at? That the Devil can feel remorse? That one day he will have a conscience, all of a sudden, after all the lives he has wrecked, all the pain and atrocities he has exercised upon others, all the assaults -- sexual, emotional, and other.
Let's get one thing straight. You cannot redeem a man like V. Komolika said it. It has been shown over and over and over on the show -- every single redemption track has failed. V isn't able to sell innocence, purity, goodness. He's evil. Simple. Redeeming him wouldn't just be out of character for him and wrong from every creative angle, it wouldn't just present the frigging message that "oh, yeah, all those FB guys who praised V for controlling his wife and condemned Jahnvi for leaving, for not keep trying to treat him -- they were right. Totally. Because lookie, V has changed for the better, so obviously Jahnvi should've just stuck it out and kept trying as he could've changed!"
Yeah, I'm not supporting that message.
V is evil. He's the kind of evil that's unredeemable and it has been confirmed by not just Komolika, but also by everything that has been shown on the show, and even creatives themselves have associated him with evil -- as in The Devil himself.
So, if they're going back on their word, hinting at remorse and another redemption track coming up... then I'll be skipping it and TRPs will be dipping it.
I hate it when they confuse viewers by showing something else and having characters say something else. Looking at V, there is nothing redeemable about him. But then they have characters like Malhotra hint at how V will one day feel remorse and it pisses me off. This isn't a story about how the abuser redeemed himself, it's a story about the victim and how she restablished her life after freeing herself from her abuser and punishing him.
5) Raghav's shirt tucked in again -- why?
I noticed how his shirts had become a bit tighter and untucked, but in tonight's episode we were back to the loose shirt and half-tucked look that he sported in the start. Um, are we going backwards in his character development here?
6) Krish -- where the hell is he?
Okay, I've been noticing how he's been gradually taken out of the frame for a while now. It just isn't funny anymore. He became an integral part of the show, an important character. His relationship to Raghav is half the reason why people love the show. Where the hell is he? And why has he been turned into another extra kid just like on every other show? He had depth and was uniquely perceptive -- all that seemed to have been forgotten and he's either been shown playing around only, or he hasn't been present at all.
Do the writers even know how many fans there are of KriGhav?
NOTE: This is a note independent of my feedback, but still a kind of feedback.
I'd like to remind the writers that though the leap is in their hands and though they do it in favor of V -- we, the viewers, have put a lot of hard work into promoting the show as well. We have fought for it, promoted it, and analyzed every angle of it, spent hours working on feedback posts and character analysis posts. We've done artwork and sat loyally in front of our TV screens at the exact time for the episodes to air, and we've supported the show even when it was all but going down the drain.
If we aren't heard when we say no leap, if we aren't heard when we plead with the writers to stop focusing solely on one character's growth, to stop doing it at the expensive of all the other characters, if we aren't heard when we request them to consider our feelings and love for the characters before they make a decision to alter everything irrevocably and make us feel that we've been cheated -- then I will, personally, know where I stand as a viewer.
In spite of providing us episodes that lull us into a fake sense of security, the fear of utter destruction always lingers -- that tomorrow, the writers will bring about something that will once again disappoint us [like a leap]. Funny thing is that it always has to do with V's character. Whatever twists or leaps or whatnot are shown or introduced -- it's always in favor of V somehow, and what's even funnier is how V's dominating power in the narrative is the only thing that we have consistently complained about. Because it has always been and always will be at the cost, at the price of the other characters -- specifically Sia and Raghav. And now it will be at the cost of the entire Singh family as well since I doubt that Krish as in Yash will be there post leap, for instance. I don't even think that Raghav's family will be given much screenspace post leap -- if they're even there.
I feel immensely stupid for having trusted the writers again. I've been through this TRP race hell once before on another show that was butchered in favor of one character's presence/importance. I hope that I'm proven dead wrong. I'd want that over a leap ANY day.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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HC n SJ brillaint as ever. Missing Kirsh big time. Has Yash already been relieved?
Raghav Sia scenes full of life once again! I would have loved to see Sia break the barrier n touch Raghav's hand to make him feel more, that he isn't alone...

This whole CCTV tapes is confusing me right now.

Why is Tashu so blind to trust V even if she wants to 'save' Raghav? If only she would keep Komal in loop before heading with V, a person who got slapped by her mom just minutes back!

All those FB sickos can go n idolizie V and learn how to torture their wives and keep on blabbering how stylish it is. Gr8 message this is sending out... one needs to have a heart to connect to Sia and understand that Raghav is the hero and not V.

Has the show been given a date to wrap up and so things are going so hurried up at times? Like Malhotra's scene, Komolika again vanishiing - couldn't even get Urvashi's voice, missing Krish.

and I DO NOT support the leap, the writers have loads to sort out before jumping ahead 7years. We can live without V.
Edited by _dkmystery_ - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Ana sweety you think writers or CVs care? They never have they never will!!! You keep telling them whats taking show down they won't listen and one day when it goes down they will blame everyone and everything except see the real deal!!!

Yea what was Mr. Malhotra on about? Suddenly one day V will show remorse and all the pain he has caused to so many people will disappear? He has ruined their souls, their lives ... will his sister in asylum get years of her life back or will priya get the time back she has spent in asylum? or will Sia get rid off the pain he has caused her? Would what he did to his mother disappear? Would all the people he has hurt would just cease to exist? How will him turning positive make anything for his victims better? How will they ever bring themselves around to forgive him?

Let us assume he turns positive who would ever be able to trust him that yes he has changed and is not again being manipulative?

And why was Mr malhotra telling this to Sia? Do they plan to reunite Viraj and Jhanvi? If so God help them ... because its absurd after all this how can she ever go back to him even if he changes?

Yes if writers want to support the idea that no matter what you should stick to your husband because one day he will change and Sia did wrong by not giving it a try then let them ... they way they have glorified Viraj all this time expecting a positive social message from them is anything but living in a fools paradise.

Also what exactly would V be punished for? If he does not go to jail for his actual crimes then what is the point? If he is not punished for domestic violence what message are we giving out that you can do domestic violence and not get punished for it and if a victim wants to get an abuser punished they will have to lay a trap and hope they can involve them in some other case and get them punished?

Also a positive V will not work because all the people who idealize him mostly men who am sure are as sick as him will not buy any other viraj but the one with "absolute power" so if writers want to go the sucidal way let them !!!



Today's epi for me was Raghav Raghav Raghav ... Harshad was absolutely brilliant ... enough said!!!


And Sia is so in love if later they show she was not i don't know what to do 🤔
Edited by Soaps1 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Pros:
  1. I loved the mocking. It made V lose control.
  2. I liked seeing them on the bike even if it was for a few seconds. The way Malhotra told them about his daughter was good. I guess Raghav/Sia have a lot on their plate right now Ana.
  3. It was a very cute scene. Something like a husband and wife would do.
  4. Raghav was pained and it hurt him that he didn't know what to do.
  5. Raghav is hurting badly. Sundar is his brother and he needed his brother with him. He's in pain and wants Sundar back. This scene was so beautiful. It made me cry.
  6. Sia is finally overcoming her pain and helping others in their pain. Especially Raghav.
  7. Taashu thinks she's doing right.
Cons:
  1. The video I was watching was cut already so I guess I missed parts.
  2. I'm wondering why as well. Why are they just monitoring him?
  3. Well as long as she doesn't see, she doesn't have to know, right?
  4. I missed the comment, but I agree that a devil like V can't ever feel remorse.
  5. No I think he's going back to his old ways.
  6. Krish just seems to have disappeared.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Also a positive V will not work because all the people who idealize him mostly men who am sure are as sick as him will not buy any other viraj but the one with "absolute power" so if writers want to go the sucidal way let them !!!

It won't sell. What sells about V is his villainous character and style. I don't understand why the writers force-feed us these redemption tracks and hints in relation to V all the time. The redemption tracks didn't work the last one billion times -- why can't they just let it go and, oh I don't know, develop his character logically toward the next stage which is V becoming revengeful and murderous.
I swear. The more they try to force redemption tracks down my throat, the more fed up I get with the character. He's unredeemable in my eyes. If they show anything else, it'll prove my point that the writers care less about the message and actual character development of the characters and more about all the great things and ideas they want to execute when it comes to Viraj Their Greatest Dobriyal.
I'm sorry, but the character was always meant to be hated. Warna the rape of Jahnvi, for one thing, would've never happened.
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Dunno they might even go to redeem him in a way that whatever he did was not his fault or it was because of his childhood or father but whatever how does that change anything? I mean Dr K said na he should be treated as a dangerous criminal and he knows what he is doing? So whatever may have happened that does not justify all that he has done in any way!!!

You know i have seen many people laugh at us for not wanting the leap for obvious reason but i really want to laugh at the writers for thinking viraj can be turned positive and TRPs will go up 🤣

If leap news was not there i would have ignored Mr. Malhotra but with leap news its obvious what he was hinting at!!! 🤢

Ooops I almost forgot being a Harshad fan am not allowed to talk sense or logic 🤣

God was he brilliant or what today I love Raghav

LOL and they cut out Raghav from the shorter version of Maha Epi promo ... i seriously wonder if they were so insecure why did they bring him in the show to begin with? I swear mey ney nahi request ki thi 😳 And they think we are fools we don't notice these things and they can fool us ... packet koi aur dikha key sell something else
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ANA, no matter hw much d fans ask nd request, CVs always do wateva they think is right..Nd wat TRPs?...Since last 3 weeks d TRPs did see a rise, nd we all know dat it was only becos aftr d lead couple was being put in2 d frame..But once again CVs proved dat they really don care, they giv us hope nd even no 2 crush it, nd dis tym d leap will do d damage...Yes it is just anoder way 2 bring new layers 4 V's character, wen he doesnt hv an, just d new method 2 show his evil plans once again..Gimme a break plss...
It will b utterly crap, dat if they show SIA has no feelings 4 RAGHAV, wen we all can see dat she very much feels 4 him..But yes CVs will always keep a path open 4 her 2 go back 3 V, aftrall they luv V..
Nd as u said ANA, d worst was dat nw CVs r also hinting da one day V will feel remorse...biggest joke of d millenium..if he has remorse also , m sure d character can sell it nd gain sympathy 4m d audience...Nd aftr komolika's assurance dat V is complete evil, nd wid eac passing day he will becum more dangerous, den hw will CVs justify dere crap??...i just hope they get dere bains back...I m really not lookin 4 a leap, it will steal d freshness of RaghavI pairing.

I really mis KriGhav scenes, hardly we get any...plss as d leap is happening nd yash has 2 go, plss every epi, we deserve one KriGhav scene atleast...it hurts me wen i feel dat d leap will b a big loss 4 us, no RaghavI luv track, no KriGhav , nd i don kno may b many more losses.

I luved it wen RAGHAV wanted 2 provide a security 2 Mr. Malhotra, he is genuinely a heart stealer, can i say..even if priya wud see him, she wud fall 4 him at once, nd i mean it...

Best part of d episode, ofcourse RAGHAV's breakdown on sundar's condition..Sumtimes it is better dat i don describe d performance of HC, as my foolish words r too small 2 justify his gr8, infact brilliant performance..will onl say, dat d whole scene made me cry, nd yes it is RAGHAV d only character, who has many relations, a uniqued bonding wid all d characters, nd a very good chemistry wid each of d characters, nd HC just rocks it big time...
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nd yes, HC looked so adorable in d milk drinking scene, cookie swallowing scene, nd awww i luv it d most wen his beautiful hands holds hi own urti zulfein..it was dreamy......wid dat doodh, i really get a reminder of my bawra MOHAN..☺️
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Oye Ana...I write crap when I'm sick, you write freakin' gems even then! 😆

1. I'm disappointed that after G issued that warning, that she didn't keep a closer check on him or that she didn't try to ensure that he would go near anyone

2. EQUALLY disappointed that Tashu didn't have a sliver of a doubt regarding V coming to her bedroom to tell her this, especially after being there in the house when this happened (wait...was she??)

3. I'm glad they brought back some of her issues...you do have a sense that she has a lot of those issues to work through and that she needs to somehow make her peace with the frightened individual she was then.

4. When I heard what Malholtra said to Raghav and Sia first, somehow what I thought was that he was implying that because he always had equally big people condoning his behaviour and backing him up no matter what he did -- at least this time he got a taste of his own medicine and felt what most people felt at being betrayed the way they were. I somehow assumed he was speaking of 'this is what we, the common man, suffer, because of people like him -- at least now he'll know how we feel'...then again, considering I was doing the LU and I was multitasking, I could have just missed it 😆

5. The precap left me with a bad taste in my mouth...because you know with this doomed hindsight that Tashu was only doing something she thought was right, and was going to suffer immensely for it no matter which way this battle goes. But I'm glad this suggestion occurred, because it leaves most of us in no doubt (as if we ever had any to start with!) about the pieces of filth Viraaj and Unniyal really are. Yes, Unniyal...the scene where he locks Jhanvi in the house made me uncomfortable, but given his expression when V mentioned the adult filming...I just hope that when Viraaj goes to jail Unniyal either goes with him or is at least stripped of his post and humiliated completely. Somehow, with the way the CVs seem to be going, I doubt that even happening.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: BizzyLizzy



5. The precap left me with a bad taste in my mouth...because you know with this doomed hindsight that Tashu was only doing something she thought was right, and was going to suffer immensely for it no matter which way this battle goes. But I'm glad this suggestion occurred, because it leaves most of us in no doubt (as if we ever had any to start with!) about the pieces of filth Viraaj and Unniyal really are. Yes, Unniyal...the scene where he locks Jhanvi in the house made me uncomfortable, but given his expression when V mentioned the adult filming...I just hope that when Viraaj goes to jail Unniyal either goes with him or is at least stripped of his post and humiliated completely. Somehow, with the way the CVs seem to be going, I doubt that even happening.

@bold...Lizzy darling, agreed...in d precap thread i hv already said dat hw disappointed nd disturbed i was aftr unniyals expression on V's orde..V dint surprise me, as he was always as filthy, but nw i knew dat even unniyal was no less, he will wid his whole heart arrabge 2 film an adult video on Taashu??.🤢.i m getting it o my nerves, don kno hw 2 vent it??

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