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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Manipadma


Plz elaborate..

P.S. - i havn't seen kck..

karthik calling karthik (Farhan Akhtar's movie) Creating situations which are not actually happening..Karthik imgined having a sibling who was much better, confident, winner, a guy who was more cared, looked after by his parents. He complained his parents about his brother hitting him...actually there was no one doing that..it was in his subconcious mind.. he was calling himself and recorded mesgs in the answering machines, and then freaked out when ph calls comes and Person who called him started talking to him...MUST watch movie... u will get the idea... but Deepika did convinced him to get cured😃 I hope if that's the theme or similar on the idea than Jhanvi should be able to cure Viraj!DancingDancing& a Happy Ending!😃😃
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Krrish87_sweet

karthik calling karthik (Farhan Akhtar's movie) Creating situations which are not actually happening..Karthik imgined having a sibling who was much better, confident, winner, a guy who was more cared, looked after by his parents. He complained his parents about his brother hitting him...actually there was no one doing that..it was in his subconcious mind.. he was calling himself and recorded mesgs in the answering machines, and then freaked out when ph calls comes and Person who called him started talking to him...MUST watch movie... u will get the idea... but Deepika did convinced him to get cured😃 I hope if that's the theme or similar on the idea than Jhanvi should be able to cure Viraj!DancingDancing& a Happy Ending!😃😃

I like your take on things krissh. Let me say that first and foremost. I guess we will slowly find out why viraj is the way he is and sibling rivalry prob. added fuel to a fire that was already there, etc..
However, in my personal opinion, i dont think, (well only the cv's know) that DSDD is meant to be a "happy ending all iz well picture abhi bakee hai mere dost" type serial. What it seems is that its supposed to be a voice out there for everyone (Life Ok's theme). For women who may been in similar situations as Jhanvi, to show them how to handle the situation and not be scared to escape. Because yes, we have this hot actor karanvir Bohra, and we love him so much we want a happy ending for such an amazing on screen couple, but in real life, would we really encourage someone we love or know to put up with the behavior or wait for the person to change? Because from personal experience thats what happens (sometimes not all the time) in our culture. we due our farz as dharampatni and dont leave our husbands side no matter how he treats us. Yes, some cases are cureable, and viraj may be. But i dont know if the focus is on viraj getting cured and showing a happy ending, or perhaps showing the opposite of all the other channels, showing a real story about someone who eventually, does have to leave or excape from their husband.
Just my two cents. Lets see what happens. I just hope whatever does, it doesnt fall on deaf ears to any of the public who watches this serial. because sometimes people like viraj dont change, and sometimes you shouldnt have to wait for them too.
*writing this post NOT as a DSDD fan, or karanvir bohra fan or RajVi fan, but with a more realistc view as I have interned at a Battered womens shelter for south asian women.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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I like your take on things krissh. Let me say that first and foremost. I guess we will slowly find out why viraj is the way he is and sibling rivalry prob. added fuel to a fire that was already there, etc..
However, in my personal opinion, i dont think, (well only the cv's know) that DSDD is meant to be a "happy ending all iz well picture abhi bakee hai mere dost" type serial. What it seems is that its supposed to be a voice out there for everyone (Life Ok's theme). For women who may been in similar situations as Jhanvi, to show them how to handle the situation and not be scared to escape. Because yes, we have this hot actor karanvir Bohra, and we love him so much we want a happy ending for such an amazing on screen couple, but in real life, would we really encourage someone we love or know to put up with the behavior or wait for the person to change? Because from personal experience thats what happens (sometimes not all the time) in our culture. we due our farz as dharampatni and dont leave our husbands side no matter how he treats us. Yes, some cases are cureable, and viraj may be. But i dont know if the focus is on viraj getting cured and showing a happy ending, or perhaps showing the opposite of all the other channels, showing a real story about someone who eventually, does have to leave or excape from their husband.
Just my two cents. Lets see what happens. I just hope whatever does, it doesnt fall on deaf ears to any of the public who watches this serial. because sometimes people like viraj dont change, and sometimes you shouldnt have to wait for them too.
*writing this post NOT as a DSDD fan, or karanvir bohra fan or RajVi fan, but with a more realistc view as I have interned at a Battered womens shelter for south asian women.⭐️⭐️

It's Krish😛 humm...agreeing...slightly... @BI: yes almost all indian women are trained that way to put on with stuff...and if giving in makes things work out why not?? if we can bring out the good in Evil/Bad why not?? the show has meaningful name: "Saubhagya vati bhava" *and obv a ? but ignore the question mark for now* but yes it indeed indicates the transition phase that a lady goes through and become woman. If u have remember or seen bhaskar bharti show where Lord Krishna says about "aurat ke naun gun" where "Kshma" - Forgivenss, giving in is one of the quality that a woman has..and that is what makes us who we are. and all those 9 qualities makes us successful girl, daugther, wife, & finally mother😃 @ UD: yes it's becoz Kv is portraying the character that is the main reason m willing to see positive ending but more over m willing to see happy ending because I am willing to see the Good Change, the women power and the power of marriage which makes the wildest person better..*ok wildest is not the correct word, but u get my point?* i am willing to see how true love of a woman and a wife and also true love between two ppl can make such miracles..*may be u will think that i live in fairy tale world 🥱 hahah that is ok but that is what i want to blv* @ UD: from what i can see the focus is to POINT OUT the hidden truths behind arranged, and unclarified marriages. Domestic violence, showing what causing it, reasons behind it. V getting cure would be the best solution and that too by Jhanvi's love and doctor's help that would be the idealistic end of the show. It's definately not complete fake story. I bet the Creatives have worked, researched a LOT on this show and developing the characters.. sply the main leads... @ BB: yes agreed. situation varies by case to case. & yes it should definately provide a mesg and effect ppl's life. *provided they see it openly!* which is mostly not the case..the reason of falling TRPs.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Krrish87_sweet

It's Krish😛 humm...agreeing...slightly... @BI: yes almost all indian women are trained that way to put on with stuff...and if giving in makes things work out why not?? if we can bring out the good in Evil/Bad why not?? the show has meaningful name: "Saubhagya vati bhava" *and obv a ? but ignore the question mark for now* but yes it indeed indicates the transition phase that a lady goes through and become woman. If u have remember or seen bhaskar bharti show where Lord Krishna says about "aurat ke naun gun" where "Kshma" - Forgivenss, giving in is one of the quality that a woman has..and that is what makes us who we are. and all those 9 qualities makes us successful girl, daugther, wife, & finally mother😃 @ UD: yes it's becoz Kv is portraying the character that is the main reason m willing to see positive ending but more over m willing to see happy ending because I am willing to see the Good Change, the women power and the power of marriage which makes the wildest person better..*ok wildest is not the correct word, but u get my point?* i am willing to see how true love of a woman and a wife and also true love between two ppl can make such miracles..*may be u will think that i live in fairy tale world 🥱 hahah that is ok but that is what i want to blv* @ UD: from what i can see the focus is to POINT OUT the hidden truths behind arranged, and unclarified marriages. Domestic violence, showing what causing it, reasons behind it. V getting cure would be the best solution and that too by Jhanvi's love and doctor's help that would be the idealistic end of the show. It's definately not complete fake story. I bet the Creatives have worked, researched a LOT on this show and developing the characters.. sply the main leads... @ BB: yes agreed. situation varies by case to case. & yes it should definately provide a mesg and effect ppl's life. *provided they see it openly!* which is mostly not the case..the reason of falling TRPs.


A woman is more than just a daughter or wife of mother.These are the roles that she plays in her life exactly like a man playing the role of son/husband/father.But before all this a woman is an individual of her own.For a moment forget that the male lead is a hottie,imagine someone else in his place.Would you still want jahnvi to put up with the man and give in to him,and thus slowly kill her identity.This show is not about lovey dovey couple or true love.Its about the domestic violence that some woman actually face and if this show goes the way you described above by making jahnvi put up with the violence and swallow down the humiliation and expect her hubby to change,then the show would lose its very meaning.Life is not a fairy tale and this show is one of those rare programs in TV which should keep up with the reality and create a hope for women who face domestic abuse.Women facing domestic abuse often end up putting the blame and responsibility of the abuse on themselves and keep on praying that someday their hubby magically becomes a better person and in this process they lose themselves and end up being emotionally and physically broken and children from such households often become unstable.That is exactly what dadi is trying to help jahnvi understand.Women should never put up with anytype of abuse.Its just my opinion.But I strongly feel that the CVs should keep the storyline realistic as it might actually show some hope to those thousands of victims of domestic abuse.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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@ Sangini: Different way of looking at situation again. I am optimistic and willing to see how marriage and commitment changes someone's life. how Jhanvi gets to know the Real Viraj and how she actually take this situation and make it convinient for her the way she wanted.."Normal Life" is what i want to see..I don't want to see some OCPD guy hitting a wife and wife suffers for the rest of the life, or kills his husband becoz "Guess what he is a Physco!" huh...that is not the mesg..mesg should always be the way that changes ppl'z life bring out the good in bad should be the mesg..i actually wants to see more development in Jhanvi's character, instead of her being tooo much Against Viraj *anjam* and ended up killing him or Running away *agnisakhshi* situation..no no..if this is real life that they want to show why not changing the real life by means of curing the patient, convincing him to get cured, favouring the situation by love, working out those broken marriages. As far as i sound fairy talish...i blv in strong relations. I blv in true love and I blv that things can work..and atleast One should try to make it work before putting off. ur only looking at the things that he did to her *mainly the bad ones* but u can't see the Love he has for her...the care that he has for her...and as Dr. Rana mentioned..."patients are unpredictable", hitting jhanvi with the belt *anger and couldn't control the anger* and then appologies...sharing the same pain by hitting himself... he doesn't even realise the things that happend few moments ago...even if he realises he can't fix it..so what he does is to make situations so that he doesn't loose her. Running away from him for the rest of his life is to take away his love, the only hope to cure him..I would not do that to MY WORST enemy either...and Viraj is after all Jhanvi's husband. Edit: Quote: "The best way out is always through" - Robert Frost
Edited by Krrish87_sweet - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: sangini.mitr


A woman is more than just a daughter or wife of mother.These are the roles that she plays in her life exactly like a man playing the role of son/husband/father.But before all this a woman is an individual of her own.For a moment forget that the male lead is a hottie,imagine someone else in his place.Would you still want jahnvi to put up with the man and give in to him,and thus slowly kill her identity.This show is not about lovey dovey couple or true love.Its about the domestic violence that some woman actually face and if this show goes the way you described above by making jahnvi put up with the violence and swallow down the humiliation and expect her hubby to change,then the show would lose its very meaning.Life is not a fairy tale and this show is one of those rare programs in TV which should keep up with the reality and create a hope for women who face domestic abuse.Women facing domestic abuse often end up putting the blame and responsibility of the abuse on themselves and keep on praying that someday their hubby magically becomes a better person and in this process they lose themselves and end up being emotionally and physically broken and children from such households often become unstable.That is exactly what dadi is trying to help jahnvi understand.Women should never put up with anytype of abuse.Its just my opinion.But I strongly feel that the CVs should keep the storyline realistic as it might actually show some hope to those thousands of victims of domestic abuse.

Um Sangini, will you be my best friend? Lol. No seriously, when I read your message, i was so happy to find someone who sees eye to eye with me. My sister and I are the ONLY TWO girl cousins who grew up in America, and we over and over give this message to our married girl cousins back home in pak. That a women has her own identity (also that abuse isnt always physical! it can be emotional as well) some of my family girls have constantly tired to change their husbands with love, to be more caring and understanding, some of the men have just not changed, and the wives have lost themselves, their personality their "wajood" in all of this. its so sad.
I was just happy to read your msg, like i said ive interned at a battered womens shelter for south asians, and my sister is a phD in psych. thats why sometimes when i watch this show, (no offense to anyone), i cant help but think "what is going on, is this realistic, is this idealistic, what will happen next?" and i think honestly, thats why the trp's are falling.
Viraj, i guess, is a more complicated and different case, as he does love jhanvi and does show his love, and has psych issues,
but I feel in the real world, some guys dont have psych issues, they just want to be more powerful and more dominant, no matter what their wife does, its not good enough, she can perfectly execute all her duties and if they arent happy, and mistreat her, then she starts blaming herself (as you mentioned) when the fact of the matter is, its not you, its HIM.
anyways, good disc. here for sure! so happy everyone respects each others opinions, its a respectful forum.
keep rocking guys.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Krrish87_sweet

@ Sangini: Different way of looking at situation again. I am optimistic and willing to see how marriage and commitment changes someone's life. how Jhanvi gets to know the Real Viraj and how she actually take this situation and make it convinient for her the way she wanted.."Normal Life" is what i want to see..I don't want to see some OCPD guy hitting a wife and wife suffers for the rest of the life, or kills his husband becoz "Guess what he is a Physco!" huh...that is not the mesg..mesg should always be the way that changes ppl'z life bring out the good in bad should be the mesg..i actually wants to see more development in Jhanvi's character, instead of her being tooo much Against Viraj *anjam* and ended up killing him or Running away *agnisakhshi* situation..no no..if this is real life that they want to show why not changing the real life by means of curing the patient, convincing him to get cured, favouring the situation by love, working out those broken marriages. As far as i sound fairy talish...i blv in strong relations. I blv in true love and I blv that things can work..and atleast One should try to make it work before putting off. ur only looking at the things that he did to her *mainly the bad ones* but u can't see the Love he has for her...the care that he has for her...and as Dr. Rana mentioned..."patients are unpredictable", hitting jhanvi with the belt *anger and couldn't control the anger* and then appologies...sharing the same pain by hitting himself... he doesn't even realise the things that happend few moments ago...even if he realises he can't fix it..so what he does is to make situations so that he doesn't loose her. Running away from him for the rest of his life is to take away his love, the only hope to cure him..I would not do that to MY WORST enemy either...and Viraj is after all Jhanvi's husband. Edit: Quote: "The best way out is always through" - Robert Frost


The quote is really a nice one.I do respect your opinion.To each his own.Relationships are not made automatically just by taking wedding vows.You have to make it work.If a woman has done her best in the marriage,then she should not be put under the pressure of changing her husband into a better person.I don't know how old you are or how much you have seen of the world.I am also not questioning your belief.Its just that the in this world especially India,thousands of women face domestic abuse,but remain silent in the hope that their love would change their husband.But do you think its healthy for a woman to go through all that.As you quoted the best way out is always through.Let me interpret it in this way.By giving in and by putting up with the abuse the woman is mentally escaping without going through the problem and sorting it out.And the best way would be to accept the fact that the hubby is actually being abusive and to face the reality and work through the problem that would lead to her freedom from the torture.That is what I belief.

I do believe in strong relations.Strong relations are made by love and care.Its not a one-way road.No relationship can thrive on a single person's effort.It has been hinted in the show that he might have something to do with his parents death and sister's mental condition.To try to win over this sort of person who not raped and abused her but also poses a danger to her family,is not only unrealistic but also sends over a very sick message to people.The message that you are trying so hard to piece together is this that Women don't have to put with abuse and its not their fault that they get beaten and abused,and that there is always hope out there and that hope is this that they can not only exist but also can emerge as winners by opening their mouth against injustice and fighting for their identity and respect.Love and affection are one of the many qualities of women.But Courage is not by getting beaten by the husband but by standing up for themselves.That's Courage.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: ritzbitz786


Um Sangini, will you be my best friend? Lol. No seriously, when I read your message, i was so happy to find someone who sees eye to eye with me. My sister and I are the ONLY TWO girl cousins who grew up in America, and we over and over give this message to our married girl cousins back home in pak. That a women has her own identity (also that abuse isnt always physical! it can be emotional as well) some of my family girls have constantly tired to change their husbands with love, to be more caring and understanding, some of the men have just not changed, and the wives have lost themselves, their personality their "wajood" in all of this. its so sad.
I was just happy to read your msg, like i said ive interned at a battered womens shelter for south asians, and my sister is a phD in psych. thats why sometimes when i watch this show, (no offense to anyone), i cant help but think "what is going on, is this realistic, is this idealistic, what will happen next?" and i think honestly, thats why the trp's are falling.
Viraj, i guess, is a more complicated and different case, as he does love jhanvi and does show his love, and has psych issues,
but I feel in the real world, some guys dont have psych issues, they just want to be more powerful and more dominant, no matter what their wife does, its not good enough, she can perfectly execute all her duties and if they arent happy, and mistreat her, then she starts blaming herself (as you mentioned) when the fact of the matter is, its not you, its HIM.
anyways, good disc. here for sure! so happy everyone respects each others opinions, its a respectful forum.
keep rocking guys.



Thank you Hun for your appreciation😊.I feel very strongly about this issue.The serial is nice and very beautifully written.But winning over an abusive husband who poses a threat to not only herself but also to her family,is something hard to stomach.That too at a time when thousands of woman out there are standing up for themselves and saying enough is enough.What message will it be for them ,"aww sorry woman you should stay with your hubby until he kills you coz that's true love hun''. I would never ever wish upon this on any woman.True love...what is it.Being beaten and being tortured and still being silent.Tolerance is a great virtue but even Gandhiji said that Tolerating injustice is as much of a crime as doing it.I just believe that we all deserve happiness and respect,and no one should have the power to abuse us.

I am happy to find you here😊.Finally someone who understands what it is like in the real world.The reason why I am so adamant over this issue is because I live in India and have actually seen all this happening in many women's lives.Some of them were really brave enough to make it clear to their husbands that they are worthy of respect and they won't think twice before hauling hubby's asses to jail if they abuse them again.And thankfully some of them have made their lives better by standing up for themselves.

Really Hun,its so good to know that people out there care.Keep up the good work.👏
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Hello Sangini and Ritz,

Congratulations to both of you for putting forth such interesting and powerful views. However I would like to get your opinion on a subject which intrigues me. Jahnvi has an abusive husband, her ties to Viraj is tenuous as it is a relationship based on law and can be broken off legally. But what if Viraj was a son of a loving family, a father or a brother. What then are the options for the relations. Like the Dadi, can a mother, sister or daughter can or should dismiss this person as a ' shaitan' and severe all relations with him.

Mind you I am talking about mental ailments in Indian or south Asian set up where 'pagal hai' is either an insult or an abuse. Social stigma and ignorance make insane people the living dead of the society. What if , like in other relations, even in marriage, divorce was not an option, what should or could Jahnvi done in that situation, without exposing herself to fatal danger. We cannot say that Viraj is a wrong person because in that condition there is no distinction between right or wrong.

Like Dadi, should we believe that there is no difference between a bad human being and an unstable one?
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Posted: 13 years ago
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@sarcozee - thanks for bringing up the issue of mental unstable situations


@ all -

I think even the biggest KV fan would like to see a strong, brave Jahnvi standing up to Viraj.

But giving him a chance to get cured or loving him does not mean Jahnvi has to accept all the crap from him.

One can be strong, firm yet polite and loving in a relationship. I am sure that those who are advocating Jahnvi to change Viraj would never want to see a doormat Jahnvi - . Because if Jahnvi just accepts everything like a doormat then how can she change or cure Viraj?

I completely agree with Krish_87 that if the show ends like Anjam or Agnisakshi - the message will not be delivered correctly.

CVs have already messed it up a bit - they are showing the manipulative psycho Viraj instead of abusive, hot tempered Viraj who has his humane side and undergoes through inner trials and turmoils.

TRPs were soaring high when the inner conflict of Viraj was showing - on one hand , he used to be angry at Jahnvi and on the other hand, he used to be surprised seeing Jahnvi's care and in return wanted to make her happy in his own way. It's sad that CVs have diverted themselves from the original track and hence TRPs are falling.


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