Wasn't Mahadev a devotee of Ram? - Page 2

Originally posted by: kaatayani

@ janaki got ur concern...!!

i do admit tht the way Mahadev's involvement is shown might be misleading to some...!!

as you said tht, it feels tht Mahadev is acting like Ram's guru..!!

well... a guru acts the way Mahadev acted with Parvati.. was with her 24*7..

i agree, tht initially the makers were confused as to how to portray the Mahadev Ram relation..!!

now I feel tht they have attained a clarity as to that...

if you notice... wenever Ram calls Mahadev (presently knowing him to be mahadev) and earlier (wen apparently he did not know him), Raam always closes his eyes... then there is all smoky smoky ambiance... where both of them talk togather, becuming all oblivious to the world...!!

this kind of portrayal cannot happen with a guru...!!

the only thing tht I get to interpret is that... Mahadev more or less acts as the inner voice of Raam... {it luks confusing bcoz in other serials... the look of the inner voice is same as the person who is pondering..!!!}

and in no way Mahadev tests Raam... Mahadev being Raam's aaradhya has to answer his call everytime..!!

even in the Sati tym... Mahadev gave them the blessings for victory..!!

Right now... (as in tulsidas's version... Mahadev is just enjoying the Vishhnuleela... making comments and feeling with him..!!)

I do get what you mean, Kaatyayani. I know this serial is trying to portray Mahadev as the "inner voice" of Ram. It is just something I need to get used to, because for me, neither Mahadev nor Ram are the inner voice of each other. I mean...they are Gods, right? They do not need that inner voice to guide them. 😳 My problem is that, even in Valmiki Ramayan, Ram was portrayed as completely human, yet he became maryada purushotham without anyone's guidance because he still had those Godly qualities in him. If we take Ramcharitmanas, Mahadev commented on several events of Ram avatar, but he never interfered in them. He and Gauri just became spectators of the incarnation. In DKDM, it seems like Ram knows he's God but he's acting human...in that case, does he even need Mahadev as an inner voice? If he knows his divinity, he knows how to act when.

I kind of have an idea what message DKDM is trying to give us about Mahadev and Ram's relationship, but it's not something I'm really used to. I've grown up learning that Mahadev and Vishnu were devotees of each other, who spent every moment singing the glories of each other. I haven't really read anywhere that they guided each other even in their incarnations. I mean, take Hanuman for example. Hanuman was Ram's devotee, but Ram himself never guided Hanuman. He recognized Hanuman to be an incarnation of his aaradhya and knew he was already self-learned. He never became Hanuman's "inner voice".
I'm not trying to compare serials since the intention of both is totally different, but this song from AS Ramayan is exactly how I picture Mahadev and Ram's relationship. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRFl4ks3NIY

Originally posted by: kaatayani

moreover DKDM's sati was not self realised... she tested Raam to find out tht whether he is actually God or not..!!

What irked Shiva was tht Sati doubted his words and went to test the divinity of Raam..!!!

Hmm, that does make sense. 😊 I know Sati's manner of testing Ram's divinity was what irked Mahadev, but I just found it slightly hypocritical that now, he has become Ram's inner voice, as if Ram himself is ignorant and needs it. 😳

Originally posted by: JanakiRaghunath

Hmm, that does make sense. 😊 I know Sati's manner of testing Ram's divinity was what irked Mahadev, but I just found it slightly hypocritical that now, he has become Ram's inner voice, as if Ram himself is ignorant and needs it. 😳

@Kaatyayani,

Originally posted by: JanakiRaghunath

@Kaatyayani,

I do agree that people have different interpretations of God. It is just my own interpretation and DKDM's different portrayal of it that I'm struggling with, but trust me, I'm trying. 😳😆 It was nice discussing with you. I learned a lot!

See the article below. Might help little bit. The temple which I got the priest always tells me that there is not different in Har and Hari. We are too little to understand.

Reasoning behind Maa Sati's behaviour - What happens next?

Jai Bholenath!

Mahadevji began to remain upset as his devotion for Lord Vishnu could not be certified. Maa Sati could not bear to see the sadness of her husband. She knew that something was wrong. She asked Lord Shiv several times about what was upsetting him but he would not mention anything. Sati was very worried. She went to Lord Vishnu and bowed. Lord Vishnu asked, "Mother, is my Lord happy and well?"

Maa Sati replied, "No Lord, he isn't. This is why I have come to you. I don't understand what is keeping him sad. Do you know what has happened?"

Lord Vishnu answered that Lord Shiv wanted to be tested and certified as Lord Vishnu's greatest devotee but as his servant he cannot do this, even though Lord Shiv had certified him as the greatest devotee. On understanding the situation, Sati Mata decided that she will perform the test and get her husband certified.

Here, to remove the sadness from his heart, Lord Shankar decided that the solution is to listen to my God's katha and he left to go to Agatsya Rishi's hermitage. No virtuous wife would leave her husband alone when she is aware that her husband is surrounded with sadness. She will be worried. Therefore, Maa Sati sets out with Shivji.

Originally posted by: kaatayani

same here... i learnt a lot too... infact life is learning..

PS : lovely song tht was frm Ramayan👏

Originally posted by: JanakiRaghunath

Mahadev and Vishnu were devoted to each other. Whenever Vishnu took an incarnation, Mahadev became a great devotee of that incarnation.

Even DKDM showed this during the Sati phase. When Mahadev tells Sati about Ram, there is great devotion in his manner towards Vishnu's incarnation Rama. One can clearly see that Mahadev was a devotee of Rama, just as Rama was a devotee of Mahadev.

However, in the current "Ramayan" track, Mahadev doesn't seem to be much of a Ram devotee. He seems more like Ram's Guru. Ram is obviously devoted to him, but Mahadev is interfering in each and every incident of Ram's life, even more than his own parents! Sometimes it seems like he's bossing Ram around when it's not really necessary.

I am trying to convince myself that this is because it's a Mahadev-centric show, but I can't forget that one episode during the Sati phase when Mahadev's character was so different! 😕

Why are there two different depictions of Mahadev's relationship with Ram? Why are there two different depictions of Mahadev's character?

DKDM can be a Mahadev-centric show without showing Mahadev interfering in everything! The first year of the show did not have Mohit Raina in every frame, but it was still a Mahadev-centric show. Everything in the show has changed. 🤔

Agree with you. I think Mahabharat is going compete with this show in ratings. From the promo it look awesome.

Originally posted by: JanakiRaghunath

Mahadev and Vishnu were devoted to each other. Whenever Vishnu took an incarnation, Mahadev became a great devotee of that incarnation.

Even DKDM showed this during the Sati phase. When Mahadev tells Sati about Ram, there is great devotion in his manner towards Vishnu's incarnation Rama. One can clearly see that Mahadev was a devotee of Rama, just as Rama was a devotee of Mahadev.

However, in the current "Ramayan" track, Mahadev doesn't seem to be much of a Ram devotee. He seems more like Ram's Guru. Ram is obviously devoted to him, but Mahadev is interfering in each and every incident of Ram's life, even more than his own parents! Sometimes it seems like he's bossing Ram around when it's not really necessary.

I am trying to convince myself that this is because it's a Mahadev-centric show, but I can't forget that one episode during the Sati phase when Mahadev's character was so different! 😕

Why are there two different depictions of Mahadev's relationship with Ram? Why are there two different depictions of Mahadev's character?

DKDM can be a Mahadev-centric show without showing Mahadev interfering in everything! The first year of the show did not have Mohit Raina in every frame, but it was still a Mahadev-centric show. Everything in the show has changed. 🤔

Janaki This show is more about Mahadev as main hero so the producer and story writer have twisted the original version to suit their purpose so a lot of myth they have added just to show that Shiv is greater which is true yes but not in the manner they are showing here

Besides Shiv and Vishnu were devoted to each other and were great bossom friends.
And yes in a way Shiv was guru of all because he used to guide how to do what to do and Brahma ji used to consult both him and Vishnu whereas Vishnu was the doer of all things since he had to take avtars to sustain this world remember he was palanhari so this was the reason why he took avtars after avtars

but there are two bhagwans and all others are Dev devta noone is a god not parwati ji she is a devi Ganesh ji is a Dev and Hanuman ji is a dev but they are higher then other devtas due to their deeds and dharm which made them get the boons according to the stories in purans

Don't take DKDM seriously as a original sacred text it is sacred because it is all about our gods and their lives how they saved the entire srishti humanity plants species