Wasn't Mahadev a devotee of Ram?

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Mahadev and Vishnu were devoted to each other. Whenever Vishnu took an incarnation, Mahadev became a great devotee of that incarnation.

Even DKDM showed this during the Sati phase. When Mahadev tells Sati about Ram, there is great devotion in his manner towards Vishnu's incarnation Rama. One can clearly see that Mahadev was a devotee of Rama, just as Rama was a devotee of Mahadev.

However, in the current "Ramayan" track, Mahadev doesn't seem to be much of a Ram devotee. He seems more like Ram's Guru. Ram is obviously devoted to him, but Mahadev is interfering in each and every incident of Ram's life, even more than his own parents! Sometimes it seems like he's bossing Ram around when it's not really necessary.

I am trying to convince myself that this is because it's a Mahadev-centric show, but I can't forget that one episode during the Sati phase when Mahadev's character was so different! 😕

Why are there two different depictions of Mahadev's relationship with Ram? Why are there two different depictions of Mahadev's character?

DKDM can be a Mahadev-centric show without showing Mahadev interfering in everything! The first year of the show did not have Mohit Raina in every frame, but it was still a Mahadev-centric show. Everything in the show has changed. 🤔
Edited by JanakiRaghunath - 12 years ago

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Posted: 12 years ago
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You have said it all Janaki. Show is not the same anymore. 😕
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Posted: 12 years ago
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well agree to your post but why bringing mohit in it why dont you ask ph and writers rathervthen indirectly targetting mohit?????
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Posted: 12 years ago
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well...

i hold a contrary opinion in this case... { based on the picturization and depiction IN THE SHOW }

I agree tht in the Sati phase.. Mahadev's devotion was shown.. but one cannot compare tht situation with the current scenario...

even still the devotion of Mahadev for Raam is seen... examples... when Shiva goes to witness the birth of Raam, prepares his kundli.. and is narrating the events to Parvati..!!

mahadev telling Parvati abt the story of Raam is just like a devotee who is enjoying his aaradhya's leela..!!

also to show show devotion, one necessarily need not call the other Prabhu all the tyms...

devotion has soo many forms (specifically 9 or navdha bhakti)

even Arjun was devote to Krishna... his was sakhya bhakti.. or devotion in the form of friendship..!!!

and I vividly remember Mahadev telling Parvati tht his relationship with Vishnu is more than just narayan being his bro in law..

As regards to Mahadev helping Raam.. Mahadev must do so.. as he himself is Raam's aaradhya..

this is how i have intrepreted the devotion angle... all are free to disagree, but not widout pondering upon my POV😆😆
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Posted: 12 years ago
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nicely said suchi and agree with you
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: foram.

well agree to your post but why bringing mohit in it why dont you ask ph and writers rathervthen indirectly targetting mohit?????

Ohh, I wasn't bringing Mohit into it at all. I was just using his example from the beginning and current place in the show. I'm a big fan of Mohit, don't worry. 😊
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: kaatayani

well...


i hold a contrary opinion in this case... { based on the picturization and depiction IN THE SHOW }

I agree tht in the Sati phase.. Mahadev's devotion was shown.. but one cannot compare tht situation with the current scenario...

even still the devotion of Mahadev for Raam is seen... examples... when Shiva goes to witness the birth of Raam, prepares his kundli.. and is narrating the events to Parvati..!!

mahadev telling Parvati abt the story of Raam is just like a devotee who is enjoying his aaradhya's leela..!!

also to show show devotion, one necessarily need not call the other Prabhu all the tyms...

devotion has soo many forms (specifically 9 or navdha bhakti)

even Arjun was devote to Krishna... his was sakhya bhakti.. or devotion in the form of friendship..!!!

and I vividly remember Mahadev telling Parvati tht his relationship with Vishnu is more than just narayan being his bro in law..

As regards to Mahadev helping Raam.. Mahadev must do so.. as he himself is Raam's aaradhya..

this is how i have intrepreted the devotion angle... all are free to disagree, but not widout pondering upon my POV😆😆

I'm not saying total devotion is gone...I do agree that the scenes themselves have devotion, but nowadays it seems like Mahadev is greater than Ram, he is Ram's Guru. The show itself has shown Mahadev as Ram's Guru. While there are different forms of devotion, a Guru and Sishya can never be equal. A Guru is always greater, so by making Mahadev Ram's Guru, the PH has clearly shown that Mahadev was Ram's Guru.
This just doesn't match with the same Mahadev of Sati's era. I'm not saying both situations are the same, but Mahadev's relationship with Vishnu/Ram earlier was based more on equality and devotion than it is now, at least in my opinion. I don't expect everyone to agree. The Mahadev of Sati era got furious when Sati tested his aaradhya Shri Ram, but here Mahadev himself is testing Ram. Then on what basis did the earlier Mahadev get angry at Sati? If Mahadev did not approve of Sati doubting Shri Ram's abilities, why has Mahadev now interfered in every moment of Shri Ram's life? Why has he given him lectures about what to do when, such as during the swayamvar? Why has he given him the education that Vasishta was supposed to give?
If we follow the same logic that was shown in the beginning of the show, Sati apparently time travelled to treta yuga to test Ram after her husband praised his character. But now they are showing that Ram became Maryada Purushotham only with Mahadev's intervention, not on his own merit.
I am not critiquing the current Ramayan itself. I'm questioning the flow of the storyline that the PH is showing us. The Ram and Mahadev shown earlier are not the Ram and Mahadev being shown now. They are totally different characters, and I feel like I'm watching a totally new show right now. That's all.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@ janaki got ur concern...!!

i do admit tht the way Mahadev's involvement is shown might be misleading to some...!!

as you said tht, it feels tht Mahadev is acting like Ram's guru..!!

well... a guru acts the way Mahadev acted with Parvati.. was with her 24*7..

i agree, tht initially the makers were confused as to how to portray the Mahadev Ram relation..!!

now I feel tht they have attained a clarity as to that...

if you notice... wenever Ram calls Mahadev (presently knowing him to be mahadev) and earlier (wen apparently he did not know him), Raam always closes his eyes... then there is all smoky smoky ambiance... where both of them talk togather, becuming all oblivious to the world...!!

this kind of portrayal cannot happen with a guru...!!

the only thing tht I get to interpret is that... Mahadev more or less acts as the inner voice of Raam... {it luks confusing bcoz in other serials... the look of the inner voice is same as the person who is pondering..!!!}

and in no way Mahadev tests Raam... Mahadev being Raam's aaradhya has to answer his call everytime..!!

even in the Sati tym... Mahadev gave them the blessings for victory..!!

Right now... (as in tulsidas's version... Mahadev is just enjoying the Vishhnuleela... making comments and feeling with him..!!)


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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: JanakiRaghunath

I'm not saying total devotion is gone...I do agree that the scenes themselves have devotion, but nowadays it seems like Mahadev is greater than Ram, he is Ram's Guru. The show itself has shown Mahadev as Ram's Guru. While there are different forms of devotion, a Guru and Sishya can never be equal. A Guru is always greater, so by making Mahadev Ram's Guru, the PH has clearly shown that Mahadev was Ram's Guru.
This just doesn't match with the same Mahadev of Sati's era. I'm not saying both situations are the same, but Mahadev's relationship with Vishnu/Ram earlier was based more on equality and devotion than it is now, at least in my opinion. I don't expect everyone to agree. The Mahadev of Sati era got furious when Sati tested his aaradhya Shri Ram, but here Mahadev himself is testing Ram. Then on what basis did the earlier Mahadev get angry at Sati? If Mahadev did not approve of Sati doubting Shri Ram's abilities, why has Mahadev now interfered in every moment of Shri Ram's life? Why has he given him lectures about what to do when, such as during the swayamvar? Why has he given him the education that Vasishta was supposed to give?
If we follow the same logic that was shown in the beginning of the show, Sati apparently time travelled to treta yuga to test Ram after her husband praised his character. But now they are showing that Ram became Maryada Purushotham only with Mahadev's intervention, not on his own merit.
I am not critiquing the current Ramayan itself. I'm questioning the flow of the storyline that the PH is showing us. The Ram and Mahadev shown earlier are not the Ram and Mahadev being shown now. They are totally different characters, and I feel like I'm watching a totally new show right now. That's all.


i agree with you..even i do feel the same most of the times and that too for a devotee of Ram it becums unbearable ..as far as i am aware Mahadevishnu's relationship is beyond all these, they both are inseparable n both are devoted to each other that's why they are called as HariHara😳..yes Mahadev is Ram's aaradhya and vice-versa but here in DKDM it's like Mahadev is interfering in each n everything which made me loose interest in DKDM's version of Ramayan😭..i pacify myself with the thought that since DKDM is Mahadev centric show hence they are portraying from Mahadev's angle 😊
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Posted: 12 years ago
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moreover DKDM's sati was not self realised... she tested Raam to find out tht whether he is actually God or not..!!

What irked Shiva was tht Sati doubted his words and went to test the divinity of Raam..!!!

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