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Posted: 12 years ago
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Forget a range of bows, Shiva appears to have had only one- the one that was used in the Daksha Yagna and the same one which was used against Tripurasura and ultimately which became immobile, thanks to Vishnu.

Regarding Parashurama receiving the Vijaya Bow and passing on to Karna- only Vayuu1 can answer where he / she got that story from
Well where did I said that lord shiva didn't have lot of bows and this ain't a cricket match,nor are talking about a player batting in the match, we are talking about lord shiva,in case you don't know it was lord shiva who gifted sudarshna chakra to lord Vishnu to kill asuras,and I said how many bows have you heard weilded by Vishnu and shiva,regarding vijaya, it is also mentioned in mahabharata,it is also mentioned on wikipedia page of karna,you guys are saying the bow used by Rama was kodanda,when kodanda actually is a prayavachi word used for bow,like sar is a prayavachi word for arrow,again I speak,lord vishnu's weapons are kaumodaki mace,sudarshan chakra,nandak khadaga,Narayan and vaishnavastra his personal weapon and sharang and ajgava his bows ,I said in my post that,their has not been a fight between lord shiva and lord Vishnu ,neither in shiva Purana have I heard it,neither in Vishnu Purana have I heard it,I also said that it is true that king devrat was given the shiva dhanush and sage richik was given the ajgava dhanush,but I also said that ,in every Purana ,and in Mahabharata only four dhanush are mentioned of lord shiva and lord Vishnu ,for lord shiva it's pinak and vijay,it indeed is lord shiva dhanush and it was called vijay because the bearer of it will never loose battle,that is why and I repeat that is why Indra took kavach,kundala,bharagavastra and vijaya bow from karna,that is why karna is considered a great warrior he was killed because of so many disadvantages and lord vishnu's bow is sharanaga and ajgava if you guys have heard about any other bow you are free to tell me and to guys who says about quantity of weapons especially of bows,they may be more in quantity but I havenor rather any religious book of Hindus have mentioned only these four bows with these two gods.Kodanda is prayavachi of bow not any other bow.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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It was veerbhadra who destroyed daksha yagya,not lord shiva,in shiva Purana ,it says veerbhadra defeated lord Vishnu ,since Vishnu was cursed by sage dadhichi for helping king shruv Against him,and apart from valmiki Ramayana their are 300 versions of Ramayana as well as 18 Purana and 108 uppuranas who present different perspective to each and every story is what I am saying.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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My answers inline in blue

Originally posted by: vayuu1



Forget a range of bows, Shiva appears to have had only one- the one that was used in the Daksha Yagna and the same one which was used against Tripurasura and ultimately which became immobile, thanks to Vishnu.

Regarding Parashurama receiving the Vijaya Bow and passing on to Karna- only Vayuu1 can answer where he / she got that story from

Well where did I said that lord shiva didn't have lot of bows and this ain't a cricket match,nor are talking about a player batting in the match,

You didn't say anything about cricket match- It is Vrish's sense of humour at play here. FYI, Vrish has excellent knowledge about mythology and mythological stories and an even better sense of humour. So before jumping at his (or my) throat, try to understand the vein in which he posted the remarks.

we are talking about lord shiva,in case you don't know it was lord shiva who gifted sudarshna chakra to lord Vishnu to kill asuras,

It is possible that a SHiva-centric purana has this story, but if we go by Mahabharata, then it was given to Krishna by Agni and if were to go by Hari Vamasa, it was dropped from the heavens to Krishna (before his battle with Jarasandha). So there are various interpretations for the same story. Your story is as valid as mine.


and I said how many bows have you heard weilded by Vishnu and shiva,regarding vijaya, it is also mentioned in mahabharata,it is also mentioned on wikipedia page of karna,

Possible. Vrish- is it mentioned in the MB ?

you guys are saying the bow used by Rama was kodanda,when kodanda actually is a prayavachi word used for bow,like sar is a prayavachi word for arrow,

You are right- Kodanda, apart from meaning 'bow' also had other meanings- such as eyebrow, a creeper. But the fact is Rana is associated with Kodanda. We say "Kodanda Rama" not "Sharanga Rama". "Sharanga Pani" refers to either Vishnu or Krishna.

again I speak,lord vishnu's weapons are kaumodaki mace,sudarshan chakra,nandak khadaga,Narayan and vaishnavastra his personal weapon and sharang and ajgava his bows ,I said in my post that,their has not been a fight between lord shiva and lord Vishnu ,neither in shiva Purana have I heard it,neither in Vishnu Purana have I heard it,

Well it is very much present in Valmiki's Ramayanam. It can't be wrong, either.

I also said that it is true that king devrat was given the shiva dhanush and sage richik was given the ajgava dhanush,but I also said that ,in every Purana ,and in Mahabharata only four dhanush are mentioned of lord shiva and lord Vishnu ,for lord shiva it's pinak and vijay,it indeed is lord shiva dhanush and it was called vijay because the bearer of it will never loose battle,that is why and I repeat that is why Indra took kavach,kundala,bharagavastra and vijaya bow from karna,

Didn't Indra only take his Kavach and Kundala?

that is why karna is considered a great warrior he was killed because of so many disadvantages and lord vishnu's bow is sharanaga and ajgava if you guys have heard about any other bow you are free to tell me and to guys who says about quantity of weapons especially of bows,they may be more in quantity but I havenor rather any religious book of Hindus have mentioned only these four bows with these two gods.Kodanda is prayavachi of bow not any other bow.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: vayuu1

It was veerbhadra who destroyed daksha yagya,not lord shiva,in shiva Purana ,it says veerbhadra defeated lord Vishnu ,since Vishnu was cursed by sage dadhichi for helping king shruv Against him,and apart from valmiki Ramayana their are 300 versions of Ramayana as well as 18 Purana and 108 uppuranas who present different perspective to each and every story is what I am saying.


Right, but one wouldn't know that reading Valmiki's Ramayan, or rather, Janaka's description of it in sarg 66. The reason we're using Valmiki here is that it's the most authentic. The ones written during medieval times carry far less weight in terms of authenticity.

Where is the story of Rishi Dadhichi cursing Vishnu? This is a new one for me.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: .Vrish.



Right, but one wouldn't know that reading Valmiki's Ramayan, or rather, Janaka's description of it in sarg 66. The reason we're using Valmiki here is that it's the most authentic. The ones written during medieval times carry far less weight in terms of authenticity.

Where is the story of Rishi Dadhichi cursing Vishnu? This is a new one for me.

Acc to shiva Purana there was a conversation going on between king shruv and sage dadhichi that who is better? Brahmin's or Kshatriyas ,king shruv said Kshatriyas are better since all the might is with them,while sage dadhichi said Brahmin's are better,so this confrontation lead to a battle between them,in which king shruv was defeated,feeling humiliatedking shruv pleaded lord Vishnu to help him,since shruv was the bhakt of lord Vishnu,lord Vishnu tried to his best to calm him down,but shruv was hell bent to defeat dadhichi,so lord Vishnu took a disguise of a Brahmin and approached dadhichi,dadhichi being a trikal darshi understood the intention of lord Vishnu and said,it's my pleasure that Vishnu has come to my place,but you know who is right ,yet you are taking the side of wrong there fore I curse you that you will be defeated in the battle one day.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@vrish,bro I admire your knowledge ,but thoda bahut to Maine bhi pada hai,kodandpani Rama means,dhanurdhari rama,pani is a prayavachi of dhari,like chakrapani=chakradhari,shulpani=shuldhari,you are right that krishna got sudarshna from Agni ,but i was talking about lord Vishnu,have you heard the shiva sahsranam created by lord Vishnu,while chanting it lord Vishnu was putting lotus on shivalinga and lord shiva ne prakisha Lene ke liye ,do phool gayab kar diye the,when lord Vishnu didnt found lotus,unhone apni aakhien chadane ki koshish ki thi,since lord Vishnu is also called kamal nayana,lord shiva not only stopped him,but also gave him sudarshna chakra to slay asura's.
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