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Posted: 12 years ago
#81

Originally posted by: Surya_krsnbhakt

No the Tridevas did not even poke their nose into matters. The devas themselves went and asked Nahush to be Devraj. And he was a king. But in all the stories of Nahush becoming Devraj, no Ashoksundari. All stories where Ashoksundari is there, no Devraj. This is confusing.


Exactly what I thought. Which is why at the start of the Asokasundari track, I wondered whether the 2 Nahushas were even the same in the first place. As was mentioned then by many, it's doubtful that Mahadev & Parvati, w/ full knowledge of the future, would be so enthusiastic to marry off their daughter to someone who'd stalk someone else's wife, and then spend almost 2 yugas as a serpent. No parents would want that for their daughter, least of all Mahadev-Parvati. Besides, anybody who was the son in law of Mahadev would be so proud of that that he'd more likely than not be monogamous.

Which is why I tend to think that there are really 2 Nahusha's at play here - Asokasundari's Nahusha, and Sachi's Nahusha 😈

@ bold: I didn't get your point. And I think Nahush was responsible for rains. After all, one of the functions of Indra is rain-making😆 (Scientists would dissaprove)

And if I am correct, Indra and Devaraj mean the same thing: Indra is also a title. Our present Indra's real name is Purandara. This point is according to Bhagavatam, where Suka lists the different Indras of Manvantaras.


In that case, who was the Indra who violated Ahalya, and got defeated by Meghnad as a consequence (as per Valmiki Ramayan)? Who was the Indra who was trounced by Tarakasura, and did he get back his throne, or did another Indra succeed Taki? Who was the Indra who Mahadev got irate at, due to which Jalandhar was born? Who was the Indra who murdered Virochan and was ousted by Bali? Who was the Indra who killed Trishiras & Vritra? Was he the same as the one who's wife was stalked by Nahusha? Oh, and do all the Indra wives automatically become Sachis?

Reason I ask all this is that Aditi was concerned about Indra when Bali ousted him, and got Vishnu to take on his Vamana avatar. But if Indra was a genre of rulers of the devas, then Aditi wouldn't have bothered. Or does she give birth to each Indra in each yuga?

Exit question, which I originally asked in the Mytho masti d&d thread : if Aditi's eldest son was Surya, and the norms usually decreed that the eldest son would be the ruler, how did Indra end up as the ruler of the devas?
Edited by .Vrish. - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#82

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

Who was the Indra who violated Ahalya, and got defeated by Meghnad as a consequence (as per Valmiki Ramayan)? Who was the Indra who was trounced by Tarakasura, and did he get back his throne, or did another Indra succeed Taki? Who was the Indra who Mahadev got irate at, due to which Jalandhar was born? Who was the Indra who murdered Virochan and was ousted by Bali? Who was the Indra who killed Trishiras & Vritra? Was he the same as the one who's wife was stalked by Nahusha? Oh, and do all the Indra wives automatically become Sachis?


Reason I ask all this is that Aditi was concerned about Indra when Bali ousted him, and got Vishnu to take on his Vamana avatar. But if Indra was a genre of rulers of the devas, then Aditi wouldn't have bothered. Or does she give birth to each Indra in each yuga?

Oh god, you are sending out Prashnaganga!😆
I don't know who the Indra- wait, Ramayan also happened in our Manvantara only!
About the other Indras I don't know. Sorry.😆
About Vamana Avatar, Aditi has to be concerned because she gave borth only to this set of Gods. Meaning only in our Manvantara Aditi is the mother of gods. Other Manvan. other Rishipatnis or whoever will be their mom. I guess so...

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

Exit question, which I originally asked in the Mytho masti d&d thread : if Aditi's eldest son was Surya, and the norms usually decreed that the eldest son would be the ruler, how did Indra end up as the ruler of the devas?


How did I not become king of devas? I really don't know, it was such a long time ago, you expect me to remember all that? I think it was by some election or something... maybe Vishnu crowned him.. Anyways I have to take care of the sun!
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Posted: 12 years ago
#83
Oh, you were the supreme god in Egypt & Peru at one time, so maybe the earth was territorially divided 😆

But from your answer, what I read was that all the Indras we read about happen to be the same, even if Indra is a title, and that the same Indra both preceded & succeeded Nahusha
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: .Vrish.

Oh, you were the supreme god in Egypt & Peru at one time, so maybe the earth was territorially divided 😆


But from your answer, what I read was that all the Indras we read about happen to be the same, even if Indra is a title, and that the same Indra both preceded & succeeded Nahusha


I think you can ask Wildcat above...
She is very knowledgable.
(Right?)
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Posted: 12 years ago
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by gods grace...i swear..that if an indra truly exixts..he'll be laughing his heart out on such questions!!!
n by d way...ty surya...4 ur lovely assesment!!! :D
now...to ans ur questions...NAHUSH-ASHOKSUNDARI r never mentioned together cause they're least known in history+ they stayed apart for almost 2 yugas so, chronicling thier lives was difficult...

now, MAHADEV-PARVATI are not just parents but gods too...4 d future of AS, they could'nt neglect d future of earth...also, AS had selected nahush despite knowing this...her parents obviously told that to her!!!!

and yes...there is just 1 indra...not many of them...now, d stalking is basically a nature of DEVRAJ...if u see, INDRA is considered to be a jaelous god...never happy with what he has...but that is coz he is DEVRAJ...so when NAHUSH becomes DEVRAJ...he tends to make mistakes and get punishments!! :D;)

n finally...people...in those days gods and demons were called by a thousand names...but that dosen't mean that god/demon is diff!!!
like, kartikeya=skand=murugan. indra=devraj=purandara

now...any more questions???
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Posted: 12 years ago
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now, d ans to ur surya-indra question...
aditi is believed to be d mother of not just gods and kings but even d GRAHAS or planets...basically, d planets evolved first and are led by SURYA...since, surya handles the celestial beings...planets, stars, moons etc...he refused to accept the throne of devraj...also, the god who was made devraj was chosen on d basis of his imp to earth...so indra was imp..like vayu...now, vayu in light of d nature of d position too refused to accept d throne...and thus, INDRA was made king of gods or devraj!!!
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I have 2 questions, based on what they showed today:
  1. Was Brihaspati the guru of either Kartikeya or Ganesh?
  2. Did they 2 go to gurukul together?
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: .Vrish.

I have 2 questions, based on what they showed today:

  1. Was Brihaspati the guru of either Kartikeya or Ganesh?
  2. Did they 2 go to gurukul together?


None of them went to gurukul😆
Arrey, their father hosts weekly Gyan Sabha... and he knows all the gyan. Then by now they should know everything right? Why gurukul?
And Brihaspati was only Devaguru, not Shivaputra guru.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#89

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

I have 2 questions, based on what they showed today:

  1. Was Brihaspati the guru of either Kartikeya or Ganesh?
  2. Did they 2 go to gurukul together?


Did they actually show something on these lines? Kartikeya and Ganesh going to Gurukul, under Brihaspati?

Sacrilege.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#90

From Ganesh Sahastranaam,

Guruputraprandayakaya namah I
Guruputravarapradaye namah I
Guruputrapriyasakhaya namah I
Guruputravarapradaya namah I
Gurukusthayine namah I
Gurupriyaya namah I
Gurugarvaharaya namah I

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