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Posted: 12 years ago
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From child hood, in any mythological serial asurs are ridiculed and devatas are glorified i feel there is an inherent bias in narration of all puranas

major things that asurs are often blamed of are

1) Destruction of yagnyas and disruption of vedic rituals

2) issuing diktats that they be worshiped

3) attacking swarg and taking it over

i dont see anything wrong in above things

1) naturally all vedic sacrifices and are meant for devatas hence asurs oppose them so what is wrong in that

2) when devatas like agni and indra can be worshiped why not asurs after all they are progeny of same father

3) is it not a duty of a king to expand hi kingdom all kings did that so whats wrong


now let us compare tarkasur and indra

Tarkasur is great devotee who was able get boons from both brahma and Shiva, he won all three lokas and no where is it mentioned that he tormented people of all lokas. He never interfered in shiv parvati marriage etc even though he knew that eventually he would die of their son. when time came he fought heroically and died a hero's death.

Whereas Indra never in his life did penance. simply he will run from pillar to post to keep his throne safe and will even entice mahadeva with manmatha etc. he such a low creature that he on number of occasions attacked defense less pregnant woman and did not even spare their fetuses and even slept with ahalya etc etc

i always wondered why Kartikeya was senapati of these cowardly bunch of idiots and morons and helped them in war.

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krishna

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Posted: 12 years ago
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great take .. In fact all the asurs are great devotees. Ravan being one example
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Posted: 12 years ago
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actually all the asurs werent bad...and neither were all the Devtas saints
Devran Indra to be particular did anything but being "godly"-he was insecure, complacent,mean,shrewd and conniving!-at the same time a cowardly person who would hide behind others rather than protecting himself...
infact if you look at Devraj Indra you realize that Tarkasur wasnt all that bad-he just dethroned Indra(which was needed)
while Indra did so many unmentionable things,and still got away-just beacuse he was a devta!
i complete agree with your take-even i wonder why Kartikeya had to become Senapati to Indra!
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Both Asuras & Devas had one commen feeling, both were insecure. Indras was the most insecure among all. He feared poweful Asuras, anyone doing tough penance. he'll send someone to break their penance or try his best to stop them. That's why swarga was taken over many times by Asuras. Even Indra was replaced for some time after killing Vritrasura. Asuras were dominated by Aasuri tendancies, except some like King Bali, who was always on the right path, was blessed by Vishnuji.
Both Devas & asuras had one commen tendency too, the moment they felt secure, they would start enjoying their life. Most of the strong Asuras, received their power after a long penance would start misusing it, would trouble innocent people, which resulted in lowering their punya account, finally would be killed by someone specially born or appeared to kill them.
Devas, specially Indra repents, asks for forgiveness for his crimes, gets punished or warned by Rishis or Gods.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: mnx12

Both Asuras & Devas had one commen feeling, both were insecure. Indras was the most insecure among all. He feared poweful Asuras, anyone doing tough penance. he'll send someone to break their penance or try his best to stop them. That's why swarga was taken over many times by Asuras. Even Indra was replaced for some time after killing Vritrasura. Asuras were dominated by Aasuri tendancies, except some like King Bali, who was always on the right path, was blessed by Vishnuji.

Both Devas & asuras had one commen tendency too, the moment they felt secure, they would start enjoying their life. Most of the strong Asuras, received their power after a long penance would start misusing it, would trouble innocent people, which resulted in lowering their punya account, finally would be killed by someone specially born or appeared to kill them.
Devas, specially Indra repents, asks for forgiveness for his crimes, gets punished or warned by Rishis or Gods.



Most of the strong Asuras, received their power after a long penance would start misusing it, would trouble innocent people, which resulted in lowering their punya account, finally would be killed by someone specially born or appeared to kill them.

that's not necessarily true ravana was a very just and able king. similarly most of the asuras only
stopped vedic sacrifices and yagnyas there is now where written that they just tormented people
for the sake of it.

in case of vedic sacrifices, if i were a king i would never encourage or allow oblations and salutations to my enemies in my kingdom. that is perfectly reasonable.

regards
Krishna
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Posted: 12 years ago
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This was shown in DBSK, Krishna will wait (it was a torture to see people suffering) till, the punya gets over before killing someone who troubles, kills, commits crime.

From law of Karma, this Deva, Asura part is easy to understand. As long as their punyas account is in +, everyone enjoys be it Deva or Asura. When Punyas get over even Indra is replaced.
In DP, it is mentioned, once Brhmaji with vishnuji went to Goddess Parashakti's Loka to get her darshan. On reaching there they found even Shivji was present. Brhmaji asked Devi pointing out to Shivji, why did he cut my 5th head? Devi replied he was just a medium, your 5th head was cut because of your karmas, you saw you daughter Sandhya with wrong intentions. Even Ravan will be killed when he'll abduct one of my forms Sita.
Sita was like his daughter, any father seeing their daughter with wrong intentions will be killed.
Edited by mnx12 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I agree with ur post krishna.Asuras and rakshasas have always been shown as evil people who misuse their powers and harm innocent people in every mytho.And that's why Gods and Godesses come to the earth and kill them.Actually we should not feel sorry for these asuras and rakshasas because they are killed by Gods and attain moksha.😊So instead we should be happy that they are getting rid of taking lot of janmas.I feel the devtas are the most unluckiest ones in this case.They become proud of their powers and wealth and they too start misusing them but till now no God has killed any of the devtas.That's their bad luck because after a certain period of time,they take birth as humans and get entangled in the circle of life and death so no moksha for them.
Ravana was a very good person.He was a very good administrator and a learned scholar.The only biggest mistake he did is he kidnapped Sita and therefore was killed by Lord Ram otherwise he was a great person.He taught Public Administration to Ram and Lakshman before dying.👏Can anyone do that with an enemy because of whom u r going to die?👏👏👏
Indra!Uske baare mein jitna kam bolo,utna hi achha hai.🤢
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Am very happy with this post.. it really made me sick when i read this
he such a low creature that he on number of occasions attacked defense less pregnant woman and did not even spare their fetuses and even slept with ahalya etc etc

am stunned what did he exactly with pregnant woman and their fetuses? what a lowlife devta..

this makes me very happy; due to a curse indradev body is coverd with 1000 eyes...
what a shameless devta...destroying peoples life..big ego guy..only thinks of himself.

I cant understand why mahadev vishnu and bramha didnt replace this bescharam, ego devta with another one..

This devta only misuses his powers & status and how many times must we endure such a shameless ego devta...sorry to say surya dev would be the better party!!
He made many mistakes and repented it..but still it looks like he didnt/dont learn from his mistakes.
Does he still continue with his dirty plays???What is his current status??

Edited by .Reshama. - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: .Reshama.

Am very happy with this post.. it really made me sick when i read this

he such a low creature that he on number of occasions attacked defense less pregnant woman and did not even spare their fetuses and even slept with ahalya etc etc

am stunned what did he exactly with pregnant woman and their fetuses? what a lowlife devta..

this makes me very happy; due to a curse indradev body is coverd with 1000 eyes...
what a shameless devta...destroying peoples life..big ego guy..only thinks of himself.

I cant understand why mahadev vishnu and bramha didnt replace this bescharam, ego devta with another one..

This devta only misuses his powers & status and how many times must we endure such a shameless ego devta...sorry to say surya dev would be the better party!!
He made many mistakes and repented it..but still it looks like he didnt/dont learn from his mistakes.
Does he still continue with his dirty plays???What is his current status??



am stunned what did he exactly with pregnant woman and their fetuses? what a lowlife devta..

there are two instances actually

1) I posted a detailed story of maruts who were born of broken foetus of diti which Indra broke into pieces using his thunderbolt so that she cannot give birth to a powerful son in temples of India thread they were actually ancestors of taraka no wonder he wanted vengeance.

2) When Hinranyakashyapa was engaged in penance for Brahma Indra attacked defenseless Kayadu hiranyakashyapa's wife who was pregnant in her palace and carried her away. he was going to kill her when narada rescued her from indra and the son born to her became famous as prahlada.

Indra keeps changing with every kalpa however all the deeds mentioned by me are done by same Indra who is the present one.

regards
krishna

Edited by kkr531 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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So he is still king of swarg..and he was cursed by krishna ..am i right? Dont u agree that surya dev is the better replacement for him??

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