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Posted: 13 years ago
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Krishnaji,

With all due respect I beg to differ with your opinion. On the one hand, you say the CVs have deviated from scripture (which unquestionably they have). On the other, you say it is disrespectful to show Sati/Parvati being tested.

Actually, according to Shiva Purana, Parvati was tested by the Saptarishis before Shiva sends them to Himavan with a proposal. So on this aspect at least, the CVs are following scripture.


I also don't think it is blasphemy to compare Rama/Krishna and Sati/Parvati. They may be figures from different creeds but after all, they all belong to Sanatana Dharma. It is a stream of thought or religion that can withstand scrutiny and robust discussion. Putting boundaries on what can be or cannot be compared and discussed inhibits expression and leads to doubt and lack of knowledge.
Edited by pnars - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Only in serials do they toss in all sorts of weird-ass tests. I recall in the AS Ramayan, they threw in a ton of tests for Luv & Kush during the Swarna-Kamal adventures. I once joked that the reward for passing a test was another test. Looks like the case here.

Honestly, I'd much prefer the devas and the rishis to be tested 😈, rather than our dear Mahadev & Parvati. Looks like Vrati and the Taki meister will do that job for us very soon. Rishi Dadhichi can be the opening batsman for this new test

I think the only person who should ever be subjected to endless tests is Indra. I wish Nahusha was a part of this serial 😈
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: pnars

Krishnaji,


With all due respect I beg to differ with your opinion. On the one hand, you say the CVs have deviated from scripture (which unquestionably they have). On the other, you say it is disrespectful to show Sati/Parvati being tested.

Actually, according to Shiva Purana, Parvati was tested by the Saptarishis before Shiva sends them to Himavan with a proposal. So on this aspect at least, the CVs are following scripture.


I also don't think it is blasphemy to compare Rama/Krishna and Sati/Parvati. They may be figures from different creeds but after all, they all belong to Sanatana Dharma. It is a stream of thought or religion that can withstand scrutiny and robust discussion. Putting boundaries on what can be or cannot be compared and discussed inhibits expression and leads to doubt and lack of knowledge.



Dear pnars,

I never said that parvati was never tested, i only said that tests are meant to enlighten people but not to test parvati herself, she was tested but never did they say manushya, ashuddiyan, ayogya

testing was done for benefit of mankind and not because parvati was ayogya.

you can compare them but with proper study and when you compare you do it by objective statements and not by some weird biased statements like


first of all/ how can you even compare sati/parvati with ram or krishna? krishna avatar was a complete avatar of lord vishnu. he was aware of who he is unlike parvati or sati.

that is the problem with vaishnavites they have their own biased view of things but come and post
in DKDM with impunity, what does it mean by " Unlike Parvati", .

regards
Krishna

Edited by kkr531 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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From what I know, the only test that Parvati was ever subjected to was @ the end, when Shiva appeared in disguise b4 her and spoke ill of Mahadev, which irked her. Ultimately she turned away from him, but he blocked her path, making her even more angry. Finally, he revealed himself to her.

I agree w/ Krishna - Parvati's test was more to educate the world, not to check whether she herself was pure or not.
Edited by .Vrish. - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: .Vrish.

From what I know, the only test that Parvati was ever subjected to was @ the end, when Shiva appeared in disguise b4 her and spoke ill of Mahadev, which irked her. Ultimately she turned away from him, but he blocked her path, making her even more angry. Finally, he revealed himself to her.


I agree w/ Krishna - Parvati's test was more to educate the world, not to check whether she herself was pure or not.


Totally agree with the first part of your post. I too never heard of so many tests. Parvati performed her tapasya. She herself knew what to do in order to prepare herself for the divine union. All the rest of the stuff is only to put in a few more episodes.
I am enjoying the pairing and the visuals but I really want Lord Shiva to not keep saying " Mujhe prapt karne ke liye aur tapasya hogi" These words can be substituted by him wanting an ideal union with Ma Parvati.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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The Purana's story of Parvati has only 1 test in the end for her. She was divine not a human like the one shown in the show. She did tapasya to get Shivji as her husband not to become yogya. She was yogya for him.

In the show they have played this yogyata song since Sati's time to make that theory acceptable they are going ahead with this becoming yogya first & then her actual tapasya.
Our Spiritual scripture are vey rich in content, can give good understang of many facts which may make us change our pov compeletely. Everyone may be right on the basis of what they know. It's only the matter of knowing more & using it practically, which can answer our doubts.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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We wouldn't want history to repeat itself and have Parvati immolate herself, would we? I mean, Mahadev accepted Sati even when she was "ayogya" for him and you saw what happened. Now he's making extra sure that that doesn't happen with Parvati.

I'm only going by the logic set forth by the episodes. I don't mean to offend anyone.
Edited by RadhaHiBawari - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Keep in mind that the 'chaaya Sita' concept is not found in the Valmiki text; it is a much later innovation of the Adhyatma Ramayana and became more popular by later retellings (such as the one by Tulsidas).

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

From what I know, the only test that Parvati was ever subjected to was @ the end, when Shiva appeared in disguise b4 her and spoke ill of Mahadev, which irked her. Ultimately she turned away from him, but he blocked her path, making her even more angry. Finally, he revealed himself to her.


I agree w/ Krishna - Parvati's test was more to educate the world, not to check whether she herself was pure or not.



Shiva asking the Saptarishi to test Parvati is from the Shiv Puran. This happened before the incident you are talking about.
Edited by Kal El - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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I am glad to open this topic as i have got some really interesting replies.I got the answers of most of w my questions.I now realised that whatever is shown about the yogyata and human stuff is all just a figment of the cvs imagination.
Some people have misunderstood that Sati/Parvati were humans but actually they were not.They were divine and were fully aware of their divineness.😛They were 100% yogya for Shiv.It's just that the cvs have made this theory probably from the materialistic point of view and not spiritual.Yes,i too felt like mentioning about the gender issue as bhakti2 pointed out but stopped myself.I am glad she gave this reason.I feel it may or may not be a gender related issue but it's more related to materialism.
I was not aware of the fact that shiv puran states about saptarishis testing parvati.Now i understood,a guru can test his disciple,no matter who his disciple is.😃
The reason why i opened this topic is it really hurts me to hear people,including Shiv calling Sati and Parvati ayogya and having impurities just because they took human incarnations.Thank God,this thought did not enter the mind of the Sagars.Otherwise they would have first shown Ram and Krishna proving themselves yogya before eradicating the evil from the world.😆I mean it's really silly to even think about Sati and Parvati being ayogya.Sorry if it hurt anyone.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: kkr531



Dear pnars,

I never said that parvati was never tested, i only said that tests are meant to enlighten people but not to test parvati herself, she was tested but never did they say manushya, ashuddiyan, ayogya

testing was done for benefit of mankind and not because parvati was ayogya.

you can compare them but with proper study and when you compare you do it by objective statements and not by some weird biased statements like


first of all/ how can you even compare sati/parvati with ram or krishna? krishna avatar was a complete avatar of lord vishnu. he was aware of who he is unlike parvati or sati.

that is the problem with vaishnavites they have their own biased view of things but come and post
in DKDM with impunity, what does it mean by " Unlike Parvati", .

regards
Krishna


Please..I always respect your posts so much for their learned nature, so please don't mind of I say...a person seeking light from knowledge will not criticize others this way. As some have said here, this is really not about Shaivite or Vaishnnavite or any other tradition, for that matter. We can all learn from all ways of looking at the universe. It is not necessary to exclude anyone from discussion. Sorry...no offense is meant.

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