Where is the Divinity in the show? - Page 6

@Killer Shark...

Wah Wah...Minaxi at her best!!! Karaara Jawab!!!!!!!👏👏👏👏👏👏

Apart from all the points that you have made so exceedingly...believe me nobody could have put it better...I am just saying that for me the most divine thing in this show is that they have showed the Gods with a human touch...Mahadev as a man who has his doubts and reasons...needs and longings...and yet chooses to rise above all that...and puts his duty, Dharma above it...rises above the prejudices and politics...and inspite of being branded as the man who defies all rituals..is the one who follows everyone of them with all his heart!!! For me that is the most divine aspect of this show!!!

Originally posted by: mnx12

i was expecting a reply from mnx12 👏 so i was braced for it that was very good post .

Thanks, expecting a reply😆

First of all my sincere apologies to every body who felt offended by that post. purpose of that post was not to offend any body but to further improve the show. the point of discussion was the imperfections in show and not the strong point of show so let me take all the points one by one.



1. The BG karpurgauram, Om Namah Shivay, Shiv Shiv chant makes me feel divine.

of course we all feel it is divine no complaints from me at least on that front.

2.The entire Kailash, Vishnuji, Lakshmiji on Shesh-shaiyya, Brhmaji in Brhmaloka makes me feel divine.

i already mentioned that sets and castings are very good no two opinions on that

3. Naradji adds the much needed touch.

4. Nandi with his devotion for Shivji makes...

5. Rishi Dadhichi, Rishi Kashyap, Rishi Markandey makes...

same as above as these are achieved by castings which have been excellent

6. Shukracharya & the Asuras too adds the required touch.

here i disagree shukracharya is bhrigu's son and a brahmin showing him as just another asur is not warranted actually its funny seeing his real mother khyathi and himself to be of age its kind of odd

Shukrachrya was Brigu's other wife Ishana's son, who was an Asura's daughter, see here

7. Isn't Tarakasura doing penance divine?

penance is always divine who does it does'nt matter

8. Daksh, Prasuti praying to Vishnuji is divine.

No not at all divine i never saw devotion of daksh to vishnu in the show. show gives me an impression that its more to do with daksh's hatred of shiva rather than devotion of vishnu

Daksh got a lot easily from Brhmaji for being a Prajapati. Brhmaji can not be worshiped, Shivji he hated, so being a sanchalak of the world, he wanted to promote Vishnuji's worship. the powers he had shoud be to some extent credited to his Vishnu-bhakti. At the final yagya, Vishnuji fought from Daksh's side with Veerbhadra.

9. Sati writing Shivji's name on Lotus is divine.

10. Dadhichi & Prasuti's prayer Rudrashtak iis divine.

11. Shivji's singing to get Rag-Ragini's conscious is divine.

12. Sati's singinging same Shiv-music is divine.

13. Her Dance with Shivji joining her is divine.

all of the above were the reasons why i came became follower of this show and member of this forum so i completely agree with them.

14. Her Yoga-nidra & the Mahayogi coming to wake her up is divine.

No not divine i feel the event was too dramatized ( soap opera style) . here is the point were inconsistencies started creeping up before this event the show was perfect to the core.
This track was to show Shivji, inspite of refusing Sati, got drawn to her when she was expressing her love for him. When a person is at a higher state of mind at that time disturbing that state can lead to problems, if the person doesn't know about how to come back, it's a concept of yoga, higer meditation, that's why they recomend a Guru, who can safely take his Shishya to the state of a Samadhi & get him back safely.

15. The Ardhnarishwar concept is divine.

16. The expalnation of Mahakaal, beyond past, present & future is my favourite.

17. Showing smashan to indicate every mortal's life ends here & the Shivji's world starts from there is divine.

i completely agree with above points. however according to show did sati understand these things as far as i know she didnt as her behavior shows after the shiv ratri episode

Shiv losing cool and wanting to kill daksh and daksh also wanting to kill sati left me in bad taste
even more outrageous thing is she instantly becomes daksh's confidante just after he had tried killing her.
Sati was born because of Daksh's penanace. Till she gets married to Shivji, which was the purposeof her birth, she had to be with Daksh. When Shivji made her realise her limitations, which she took as a rejection she wanted to go back with her father. But when Daksh in his ego & arrogance wanted to prove his greatness by killing Sati for disobeying him, Shivji had to stop him. In Devi Puran Devi Shakti had told Daksh she will be with him as long as his punya is there. When it gets over she will leave him & Go. There are many examples in Puranas of many characters enjoying while others were suffering due to this punya account only. Even God when takes an incarnation, is able to end them only when their punya is over.
18. Love as depicted in DKDM is very good and appealing but by no means divine as it flip flops as love hate relationship just like humans. they could have shown that in more diginfied manner
Shiv and sati are soul mates there is no scope for misunderstanding as shown in DKDM. real sati( read as puranic depiction) is confident assertive and never ever lost heart or broke down.
she gave up her life just because she heard shiv ninda that was confidence and assertion from her side.

Makers had made it clear in the begining that they are going to show human side of Shivji, so expecting the exact puranic depiction every time is bound to lead to dissatifaction.

19. God has created the worls, to run it properly they do some Leelas from time to time, it is perfectly divine.

Shiv does not do leelas and its not his nature leela part is always done by vishnu who looks after creation shiv is a destroyer and sanchalak.
This Leela part was their creative imagination. But in Puranas there are examples of Shivji taking different form to give a message. One such instance is when Brhmaji & Vishnuji were arguing about who is the greatest among them, the bright Shivling appeared. Then Om appeared as A U M around the Shivling. At that time Shivji appeared as a rishi explaining both of them the meaning of Om, which is also called the Shabda-brhma.

20. Their Leelas happen at the human plane so human emotions are involved, understanding the final motive & result is understanding the Leela, which is again divine.

perfectly said but it did'nt happen that way in DKDM

They couldn't show it properly that's Madhuri was shown explaing the meaning at the end of the epi.

Shiv leela did'nt serve any purpose shatbish only left as he saw talk of aadishakti between dadhichi and shiv that might as well have been achieved by directly dadhichi or any other talking to shatbish there was no need for shiv to come in human form, he didn't even alleviate suffering of sati
The Shiv-leela here was to end the drama stared from Jalsamadhi track, it served the purpose of getting Sati free from her promise.

21. emotions can be shown but emotions dominating divine aspect is not acceptable that will mar the credibility of the show.
Makers have said they are showing the human side of Shivji.
22. yes that it is why it needs to be perfect and should be with out any flaws as i said the starting was awesome but slowly it degenerated towards ordinary love story .

I am atleast hopeful for the best

23. this is paradoxical shiv and sati are inseparable separation is as seen by us mortals why would shivji worry about that. even if we assume that he is worried as mahakaal he should and will know that its inevitable. according to shiv puran version shivji wanted to be mendicant and not house holder hence he objected to his life as householder but people made him understand its essential for him to be householder for the sake of creation and he consented.
This story is based on many Puranas, it is Devi Shakti's story too, so always refering to the Shiv-puran will lead to confusion.

24. The Swayamvar was just divine, the Guests present created the divine feel.

25. How can my Shivji not be divine, any action, that involves him interacting with humans is Divine.

above two points come down to sets,casting and individual actors capability which of course are perfect.

Point of my post is we all like the serial that is why we are concerned about it and do some criticism because we are pained by some soap opera type elements creeping in. otherwise nobody would have bothered.

Creative difference of opinion is always welcome.

we only want the show to improve further and attract larger audience.
I wish the show attracts very large viewership. It has attracted the other viewers towards this Show with their treatement. A normal Mytho airing these days doesn't have even this much viewership as DKDM
As i consider Mahadev and Mata sati as my araadhya i will not and cannot settle for any depiction which is not perfect,

PS. the article Attaining Mahadev, they have explained the DKDM concept very well.

Best Regards
Krishna

6. Shukracharya & the Asuras too adds the required touch.

here i disagree shukracharya is bhrigu's son and a brahmin showing him as just another asur is not warranted actually its funny seeing his real mother khyathi and himself to be of age its kind of odd Shukrachrya was Brigu's other wife Ishana's son, who was an Asura's daughter


sorry for mixing up the matters my mistake but it still doesn't take away the fact that shukracharya has been depicted in wrong manner.

8. Daksh, Prasuti praying to Vishnuji is divine.

No not at all divine i never saw devotion of daksh to vishnu in the show. show gives me an impression that its more to do with daksh's hatred of shiva rather than devotion of vishnu Daksh got a lot easily from Brhmaji for being a Prajapati. Brhmaji can not be worshiped, Shivji he hated, so being a sanchalak of the world, he wanted to promote Vishnuji's worship. the powers he had shoud be to some extent credited to his Vishnu-bhakti. At the final yagya, Vishnuji fought from Daksh's side with Veerbhadra.


Daksh as said even by you is vishnu bhakt is by default , he is not counted as one of any noteworthy vishnu bhakts. By the way he has no powers only one power he has is power of curse given his father Brahma. Vishnu did not bestow any powers to daksh. he is just Human who has been elevated by brahma to be a ruler.

Vishnu and other devatas fought with virabhadra because they were party to yagnya by accepting havirbhaga, they were obliged to protect it.



14. Her Yoga-nidra & the Mahayogi coming to wake her up is divine.

No not divine i feel the event was too dramatized ( soap opera style) . here is the point were inconsistencies started creeping up before this event the show was perfect to the core.
This track was to show Shivji, inspite of refusing Sati, got drawn to her when she was expressing her love for him. When a person is at a higher state of mind at that time disturbing that state can lead to problems, if the person doesn't know about how to come back, it's a concept of yoga, higer meditation, that's why they recomend a Guru, who can safely take his Shishya to the state of a Samadhi & get him back safely.

Shiv never refused Sati that is the fundamental flaw that has been shown over and over, despite so many other positives i cannot accept that, it is paradoxical going by any puran whether its Shiv puran or devi puran.


Shiv losing cool and wanting to kill daksh and daksh also wanting to kill sati left me in bad taste
even more outrageous thing is she instantly becomes daksh's confidante just after he had tried killing her.
Sati was born because of Daksh's penanace. Till she gets married to Shivji, which was the purposeof her birth, she had to be with Daksh. When Shivji made her realise her limitations, which she took as a rejection she wanted to go back with her father. But when Daksh in his ego & arrogance wanted to prove his greatness by killing Sati for disobeying him, Shivji had to stop him. In Devi Puran Devi Shakti had told Daksh she will be with him as long as his punya is there. When it gets over she will leave him & Go. There are many examples in Puranas of many characters enjoying while others were suffering due to this punya account only. Even God when takes an incarnation, is able to end them only when their punya is over.


Nope Sati was born because brahma wanted shiv to get into wedlock. Brahma commanded daksh to do the penance to beget aadishakti. Brahma again was the person who initiated the marraige process of sati and on his insistence sati was married to Shiva by Daksh.

Daksh was not anti- shiva from the beginning. so to portray him as anti shiva from begining is one thing but to take it to the level daksh even wanting to kill Sati is taking it too far.


19. God has created the worls, to run it properly they do some Leelas from time to time, it is perfectly divine.

Shiv does not do leelas and its not his nature leela part is always done by vishnu who looks after creation shiv is a destroyer and sanchalak.
This Leela part was their creative imagination. But in Puranas there are examples of Shivji taking different form to give a message. One such instance is when Brhmaji & Vishnuji were arguing about who is the greatest among them, the bright Shivling appeared. Then Om appeared as A U M around the Shivling. At that time Shivji appeared as a rishi explaining both of them the meaning of Om, which is also called the Shabda-brhma.

I am not against such portrayal, But as for me i felt the Jata part did not serve any purpose. It only helped in increasing number of episodes. It depends on perspective rest i leave to people how to judge that.



20. Their Leelas happen at the human plane so human emotions are involved, understanding the final motive & result is understanding the Leela, which is again divine.

perfectly said but it did'nt happen that way in DKDM They couldn't show it properly that's Madhuri was shown explaing the meaning at the end of the epi.

Shiv leela did'nt serve any purpose shatbish only left as he saw talk of aadishakti between dadhichi and shiv that might as well have been achieved by directly dadhichi or any other talking to shatbish there was no need for shiv to come in human form, he didn't even alleviate suffering of sati
The Shiv-leela here was to end the drama stared from Jalsamadhi track, it served the purpose of getting Sati free from her promise.

As i told you Sati never promised daksh as shown in DKDM and moreover sati never misunderstood Shiv so whole track is meaning less.

21. emotions can be shown but emotions dominating divine aspect is not acceptable that will mar the credibility of the show.
Makers have said they are showing the human side of Shivji.

There is no Human Side of Shiv, Human side is the way we mortals see and interpret Him. So its not necessary that i agree with other who perceives in some other way.


23. this is paradoxical shiv and sati are inseparable separation is as seen by us mortals why would shivji worry about that. even if we assume that he is worried as mahakaal he should and will know that its inevitable. according to shiv puran version shivji wanted to be mendicant and not house holder hence he objected to his life as householder but people made him understand its essential for him to be householder for the sake of creation and he consented.
This story is based on many Puranas, it is Devi Shakti's story too, so always refering to the Shiv-puran will lead to confusion.

In no puran its mentioned that Sati misunderstood Shiv. as i said it will take away very premise of sankhya philosophy which is the basis for ardanareeshwara thathva. there can be creative improvisations in narrative but you cannot change the basis. Biggest flaw is this very fact



Point of my post is we all like the serial that is why we are concerned about it and do some criticism because we are pained by some soap opera type elements creeping in. otherwise nobody would have bothered. Creative difference of opinion is always welcome.

Same Here

we only want the show to improve further and attract larger audience.
I wish the show attracts very large viewership. It has attracted the other viewers towards this Show with their treatement. A normal Mytho airing these days doesn't have even this much viewership as DKDM

So that shows the society's preference if DKDM arises interest in Shiv that is well and good i keep posting these posts so that the inconsistencies don't get entrenched in people's mind.

People may say if i don't like i should probably switch it off and watch some other. probably i will do it and i am already doing by skipping the parts which are not consistent according to my view
so no offense guys if you like it and enjoy it whom am I to object to that

Similarly if i feel some thing is amiss i believe that i have a right to express it in a meaning full
manner

Best Regards
Krishna

Originally posted by: mnx12

I guess they were hurt by strong critcism of the show they love so much, it was just am outbust. I have seen much much stronger outburst for one of my reply here, which I have chosen to ignore instead of giving it more importance. We are here to share our views & enoy the show that's what matters finally.

Actually i was surprised rather than offended at such posts, may be its the first time so was not expecting that, i am in no way offended by he reaction however if the criticism was more explanatory i would be able to address them.

will be awaiting for replies about what exactly they did no like about my post

Regards
Krishna

i havent watched this show from starting till 3 days back...but on saturday afternoon i was bored and i came across its repeat...and i loved it to the core...and i went marathon after that i mean i became so mad to catch all the episodes that i went to yt and in just 2 days i saw all the past episodes...and i just loved it...the show has something enchanting and lovely feel to it..i just love all the actors in show...from actors playing shiv to all others ...i was a devotee of show ipkknd but today for first time i watching this show instead of it...and m looking forward to this show more now..it has a certain pull when one starts watching it...

Originally posted by: -Srushti-

Wah Wah...Minaxi at her best!!! Karaara Jawab!!!!!!!👏👏👏👏👏👏

Apart from all the points that you have made so exceedingly...believe me nobody could have put it better...I am just saying that for me the most divine thing in this show is that they have showed the Gods with a human touch...Mahadev as a man who has his doubts and reasons...needs and longings...and yet chooses to rise above all that...and puts his duty, Dharma above it...rises above the prejudices and politics...and inspite of being branded as the man who defies all rituals..is the one who follows everyone of them with all his heart!!! For me that is the most divine aspect of this show!!!

Srushti, jawab to dena hi hay it is Shivji's agya.😊

Originally posted by: -DavneetKaur-

i havent watched this show from starting till 3 days back...but on saturday afternoon i was bored and i came across its repeat...and i loved it to the core...and i went marathon after that i mean i became so mad to catch all the episodes that i went to yt and in just 2 days i saw all the past episodes...and i just loved it...the show has something enchanting and lovely feel to it..i just love all the actors in show...from actors playing shiv to all others ...i was a devotee of show ipkknd but today for first time i watching this show instead of it...and m looking forward to this show more now..it has a certain pull when one starts watching it...

Hi, so even you could feel the pull same as all of us, it's an amazing show. Hope to see you active here😊

Originally posted by: Vicky_sonikudi

The Rudraksh in the varmala that Mahadev placed around Sati made the Swayamvar EVEN MORE Divine! 😊

The Rudraksh gave it an exculsive Shivji's touch, no one in the entire world would have had such a mala, it was simple & so divine.😊

10000000000000% There isdivinity in the show...once u swtich on the TV at 8 u can remove ur eyes...each n every point makes u feel divine...