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.Reshama.

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Posted: 13 years ago

#321

well am glad that there is a question topix where we can bring our question..for answers. thank u.. its needed in this forum ...😳

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varaali

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Posted: 13 years ago

#322

Originally posted by: .Reshama.
[how is it possible they consumate they are both male gods??.s didnt they consumate went by with divya proces without toutching each other? And manikandan is a part of vishnuji and shivji,do u have more info about this god?

The boy Manikandan, came to revered in later times as Lord Ayyapa / Sahstha whose temple is in the Sabarimala Hills (Kerla). The lord is considered to be a brahmachari, in yogic mediatation, hence women (in their youth) are not allowed in the shrine. Young girls or old women are allowed.

Regarding the union of Hari and Hara, Srimad Bhagavatham describes it here

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.Reshama.

@.Reshama.

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Posted: 13 years ago

#323

Originally posted by: varaali

The boy Manikandan, came to revered in later times as Lord Ayyapa / Sahstha whose temple is in the Sabarimala Hills (Kerla). The lord is considered to be a brahmachari, in yogic mediatation, hence women (in their youth) are not allowed in the shrine. Young girls or old women are allowed.

Regarding the union of Hari and Hara, Srimad Bhagavatham describes it here

thanks varaali..

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shanta

@shali

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Posted: 13 years ago

#324

aren't the scripts not contradicting themself...

cause in one Vishnu is explained as the supreme...

shiva is explained beyond everything...

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akhl

@akhl

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Posted: 13 years ago

#325

Originally posted by: shali
aren't the scripts not contradicting themself...
cause in one Vishnu is explained as the supreme...

shiva is explained beyond everything...

Yes, various stories are in contradiction. However, all scriptures agree that Parabrahman is supreme. Vaishnavas equate Vishnu with Parabrahman, Shaivas equate Shiva with Parabrahman.

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.Reshama.

@.Reshama.

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Posted: 13 years ago

#326

Originally posted by: shali
aren't the scripts not contradicting themself...
cause in one Vishnu is explained as the supreme...

shiva is explained beyond everything...

i agree with u, its making me so confused but then there is only one god with his/her manifestations..

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shruti

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Posted: 13 years ago

#327

Although all Hindus essentially worship one God,and have similar beliefs and practises all over..we too have sects within Hinduism

They are Shaivism(followers of Shiva),Vaishnavism(followers of Vishnu),Shaktisim(followers of Shakti/Divine Goddess),and Samarta Sampradya(or those who follow all the Gods within Hinduism).

Vaishnavites,who follow Vaishnism are followers of Vishnu,and belive HE is the supreme God,and also worship all his avatars like Rama,Krishna etc.A Majority within the Hindus are Vaishnavites.Like Raja Daksh.What distinuishes them from Shiavites is this mark,that is vertical in shape,i dont know what it is called elsewhere in India but in Goa Vaishnavites are called Ubhe(with a vertical Tika)(its shown a lot in the show)

Shaivites belive that Shiva is the Supreme God(im one myself),and are mostly recognized by a Thripund(Three Horizontal Lines) on thier forheads or body(like shown with Nandi,Shiva himself and Dadhichi in the show) with Vibhuti/Sacred Ash.In Goa these are known as Adve(Horizontal).

Both the sects belive thier God is supreme,that is why the contradictory texts,but essential the Trinity of Bramha,Vishnu,Mahesh are the Supreme Gods according to Hinduism.

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shanta

@shali

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Posted: 13 years ago

#328

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

shali

Which story?

"Mahishi", story...

(shiv and mohini)...

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Vrish

@Vr15h

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Posted: 13 years ago

#329

Okay, here's the rest...

Originally posted by: .Vrish.
There is a story about why Shiva had a son through Mohini.

The reason was that a boon given to "Mahishi", cousin of Mahishasur, who was slain by Durga.
After his death, his cousin Mahishi in a fit of rage to avenge her cousin's death does a severe penance and asks for the boon of immortality from Brahma but since this wasn't possible Brahma tells her to ask for another boon which was 'near to immortality' Mahishi slyly asks that a son from Vishnu and Shiva's union should slay her; Brahma chuckles and says 'so be it' n vanishes. Mahishi is so thrilled thinking she's almost immortal now because both Vishnu n Shiva both being male, how could they reproduce a son??

As usual she became a tyrant, troubling the three worlds...

All the worried Devtas approach Vishnu & Shiv for help, it is then Vishnu takes the form of Mohini 'enchantress' and consummate with Shiva, thus a son is born to them, who has the powers of Shiva & Vishnu The baby is left in the forest and a King called 'Pandalam' who is childless, adopts the baby calling him Manikandan , because of a gem adorning his neck.

Manikandan is very reared very lovingly by the king & queen, untill the queen has her own son. She starts hating Manikandan and wants him out of the way so that her real son can become the crown prince so she sends Manikandan to the forest pretending to have a stomach ache n that it can be cured only by drinking milk of a tigress. Manikandan sets out to forest & it is here he encounters Mahishi & kills her.

The story continues, but the main reason for Vishnu & Shiva having a son together was to get rid of Mahishi.

When Manikantan returned, Pandalam told him that he had overheard the queen and her minister (who too had aspirations to power) discussing their plot, and told him that he'd punish them. Manikantan then revealed to the king who he was and requested that they be spared, since they had hastened the killing of Mahishi. He also asked the king to accept his queen's son as his successor, and allow him to leave, given his real identity, and the king asked him where to build a shrine to him. Manikantan shot an arrow, and it landed @ the spot where the temple that Varaali mentioned is located.

Months later, that minister was down w/ a rash, and realized that his sins had gotten the better of him. He had a dream where Ayappa appeared before him and asked him to take a bath in some river nearby, and then go to the temple. The minister did so, and was cured after he took the dip, and ran to that temple, and from then on became a bhakt.

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mnx12

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Posted: 13 years ago

#330

Nataraaj Shiva:

http://hinduism.about.com/od/lordshiva/p/nataraj.htm

In a marvelously unified and dynamic composition expressing the rhythm and harmony of life, Nataraj is shown with four hands represent the cardinal directions. He is dancing, with his left foot elegantly raised and the right foot on a prostrate figure ' 'Apasmara Purusha', the personification of illusion and ignorance over whom Shiva triumphs. The upper left hand holds a flame, the lower left hand points down to the dwarf, who is shown holding a cobra. The upper right hand holds an hourglass drum or 'dumroo' that stands for the male-female vital principle, the lower shows the gesture of assertion: "Be without fear."

Snakes that stand for egotism, are seen uncoiling from his arms, legs, and hair, which is braided and bejeweled. His matted locks are whirling as he dances within an arch of flames representing the endless cycle of birth and death. On his head is a skull, which symbolizes his conquest over death. Goddess Ganga, the epitome of the holy river Ganges, also sits on his hairdo. His third eye is symbolic of his omniscience, insight, and enlightenment. The whole idol rests on a lotus pedestal, the symbol of the creative forces of the universe.

The Significance of Shiva's Dance:

This cosmic dance of Shiva is called 'Anandatandava,' meaning the Dance of Bliss, and symbolizes the cosmic cycles of creation and destruction, as well as the daily rhythm of birth and death. The dance is a pictorial allegory of the five principle manifestations of eternal energy ' creation, destruction, preservation, salvation, and illusion. The dance of Shiva also represents his five activities: 'Shrishti' (creation, evolution); 'Sthiti' (preservation, support); 'Samhara' (destruction, evolution); 'Tirobhava' (illusion); and 'Anugraha' (release, emancipation, grace).

Edited by mnx12 - 13 years ago

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