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Posted: 17 years ago

Originally posted by: bunbutt_too

First they lost their daughter. Then they lost their standing in society because of the false accusation and imprisonment. Now they have lost their jobs at Fortis. Soon they will loose all their patients in their private clinic. On top of all this I am sure their legal fees must have fried their nest egg. What next? And for what? And why?

Looks to me a civil case against the UP Police is begining to look like the only viable option. This is just terrible, and I hope no one faces such a total calamity ever.

Do u know how many years civil cases take to settle in india?? 20-25 years. and i can guarantee that nothing happens, parties lose interest after sometime not to mention the amount of money it would take to fight a case for 20 years.

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Posted: 17 years ago

Originally posted by: shefali_123

Do u know how many years civil cases take to settle in india?? 20-25 years. and i can guarantee that nothing happens, parties lose interest after sometime not to mention the amount of money it would take to fight a case for 20 years.

The whole case was a terrible terrible mess.
One can only hope and pray that lessons will be learned......but soemhow I doubt this and the integrity of the investigation as a whole.
For those who may have lied, or covered up or deliberately hampered this case, I hope the last image they see before sleeping is that of Arushi. May Arushi's killer, whilst at large, never sleep in peace.
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Posted: 17 years ago

Originally posted by: shefali_123

Do u know how many years civil cases take to settle in india?? 20-25 years. and i can guarantee that nothing happens, parties lose interest after sometime not to mention the amount of money it would take to fight a case for 20 years.

shefali_123ji I had read somewhere that there are fast track courts in India now. Are those only limited to criminal cases?
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Posted: 17 years ago

Originally posted by: shefali_123

Do u know how many years civil cases take to settle in india?? 20-25 years. and i can guarantee that nothing happens, parties lose interest after sometime not to mention the amount of money it would take to fight a case for 20 years.



That's right Civil case is out of question.. just going to court and stand is a punishment itself..

Time is a healer.. as time pass people wl forget.. for Talwar's people wl always judge them..

I was talking to my sis in law who lives in India about the case.. she was saying almost all people there believe that father did this... she was saying they changed 8 servants in 2 years and father used to lock the girl's bedroom.. and their abnormal behavior.. well My best wishes are with them..
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Posted: 17 years ago

Krishna's brother loses his job

Women colleagues at unit where he worked for 15 years felt uneasy about his ties to Aarushi murder accused


Krishna is an accused in Aarushi murder case

New Delhi: Dentist couple Dr Rajesh Talwar and his wife Nupur were not the only ones to suffer a career setback following the Aarushi-Hemraj twin murders. Mohan, brother of Dr Rajesh Talwar's compounder, Krishna, has also lost his job as a fall out of the murders.

Mohan, who worked as an operator in a photographic film manufacturing unit in Okhla, says he received a terse telephonic message from his boss telling him that he no longer had his job.

And this was a job he had held for 15 long years, without any complaints. So why did Sanjeev Arora dismiss Mohan?

Said Arora, "Mohan had not informed me of anything. It was only a few days back that I came to know about his brother's involvement in the murders.

I have women working in the unit and they said they feel insecure working in his presence. Even my wife had told me that she feels scared of him. Being the owner I had to take this step keeping the feelings of my other workers in mind," remarked Arora.


I am paying for the murders

Mohan and his family are facing a severe financial crisis. An stressed Mohan is worried about how he will support his wife and their six-year-old daughter, not to mention the other expenses of a court battle to fight Krishna's case.

Mohan

Speaking to Mirror a visibly depressed Mohan said, "When my family told me that the police have taken Krishna to help them trace Hemraj on May 16, I had no idea he would be falsely charged and our lives would take this ugly turn," he said.

Mohan does not understand why he has lost his job. "I have never had any issues with either my employers or any of my co-workers," he said.

Asked whether he thought that he was just paying the price of being Krishna's brother, Mohan said, "What do I say? They are rich people, they can do anything."

Mohan now fears that he may not find another job. "Every one knows that my brother is a suspect. No one will want to hire me," added a disheartened Mohan.

Talwar's daughter Aarushi, 14, and domestic help Hemraj were found dead in May in Noida.

The CBI have arrested Talwar's medical assistant Krishna and two domestic helps as suspects in the twin murders.


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Posted: 17 years ago

Breaking noose

Namita Bhandare, Hindustan Times

New Delhi, July 15, 2008

First Published: 22:56 IST(15/7/2008)

Last Updated: 23:50 IST(15/7/2008)

On national networks, TV anchors and editors Deepak Chaurasia and Ashutosh are clear: the media have nothing to apologise about in the Rajesh Talwar case. Now that the doctor, once accused of murdering his daughter, is out on bail for lack of evidence, you'd imagine that he's trying to pick up the pieces of his life and get on with it. No such luck. The murder of Aarushi Talwar continues to make news. On the day of Dr Talwar's release, more than a hundred camera crews waited outside jail, followed his car to the temple where he and his wife went to pray and then set up camp outside his father-in-law's house.

It's been high season for the media for the past two months since 14-year-old Aarushi and the family's servant, Hemraj, were found murdered in Noida. In the days that Dr Talwar was in jail, charges of sexual aberrations, intimate, personal details (much of it baseless), SMSes received and sent, and emails between Aarushi and her parents have flown fast and furious. Nothing has been sacrosanct — though some newspapers and channels did restrain themselves from publishing the more salacious leaks. Others, however, did away with such niceties. If one channel ran an MMS that purported to show Aarushi undressing in the presence of an unknown man (it was not Aarushi), others had anchors painting their hands red as they spoke solemnly about the "khooni baap".

This sort of coverage led to some introspection. One channel removed its OB van from outside the Talwar residence, although temporarily. But it was not enough. Just days before Dr Talwar's release, at least one newspaper and a couple of channels chose to run a story that claimed that the Talwars were at a party in a hotel, where 12 rooms had been booked, on the night Aarushi was murdered. The story was denied the next day by Nupur Talwar and the CBI but the damage had been done.

On Barkha Dutt's We the People, Ashutosh, Managing Editor of IBN 7, clarified that his channel was not guilty of the more lurid reporting. Fair enough. But in the Aarushi-Hemraj murder case one thing is clear: nobody — English or Hindi, tabloid or broadsheet, print or TV — has come out smelling of roses.

Ashutosh and Star News' Chaurasia point out proudly that it was the media that focused attention on the 'Jessica Lall' and 'Nitish Katara' murder cases. And it was media attention in the Aarushi case that resulted in the investigation being moved to the CBI. Point taken. So, what of the thousands of innocent people languishing in jail, who are not People Like Us? Who will tell their story? And, more important, is there a market for it?

Public memory tends to be short. And the media's collective memory is sometimes just as brief. Only two months ago, the media seemed convinced enough of Dr Talwar's guilt to go and get sound bytes from young girls on whether they felt safe in the presence of their fathers. Today, the trio of Krishna, Ram Kumar and Vijay Mandal — the new accused — stand just as guilty.

There is some talk about defamation suits against the police and the media. But it's early days yet. I'm not sure that the Talwars, already traumatised, want to go to the courts for prolonged litigation.

So, what happens now? In the months to come, the Aarushi case will fade from public memory. Till that happens there will be much hand-wringing in the media about its role and responsibility. Politicians will bleat and shed tears about the role of police and media. There will be some talk about setting up self-regulation mechanisms and ombudsmen. But in the end, self-regulation always fails because there will always be rogue channels and papers who'll defy norms.

The Talwars can never get their life or reputation back. But an apology by the media that has wronged them is at least a beginning.

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Posted: 17 years ago
Krishna's brother loses job, Talwars not welcome at Fortis

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New Delhi/NOIDA, July 15 Though the Central Bureau of Investigation has let off dentist Rajesh Talwar following the much-publicised probe into the double murders of his daughter Arushi Talwar and domestic help Hemraj, his employers at the Fortis Hospital in Noida are not ready to take him back.

And — accused Krishna's brother Mohan Kumar has been sacked by his boss because his co-workers now feel "insecure and uncomfortable" working with him.

Both Rajesh and Nupur Talwar were consultants at the Noida hospital, but have no direct "links" with it anymore, a spokesperson of the Fortis Hospital told Newsline. It is learnt the hospital authorities have not contacted the couple ever since Talwar's release from Ghaziabad's Dasna jail last Saturday. Hospital sources said they were not likely to be hired back.

On the other hand, the factory Mohan worked in, removed him without any prior notice. He was employed by an industrial unit in Okhla that manufactures photography equipment. Mohan had worked with the firm for 15 long years.

Mohan has said his employer Sanjeev Arora had no problems with him before — "not a single complaint in the past". But soon after his brother's possible involvement in the murders surfaced, a curt note from the management told him he was "free to go". He no longer had the job. Mohan said, "My co-workers, particularly women, now feel scared and insecure around me. One even hinted that what had happened to Arushi might also happen to them." He said Arora's wife had also confided that his co-workers were reluctant to work with him and had informed the management accordingly. Arora told Newsline that Mohan had lost his job because the company was obligated to "listen" to all its employees.

Mohan is now staring at a serious financial crunch. He was also the only one employed in his family of three — his wife, a six-year-old daughter and himself. On top of that, he is now saddled with the expenses of fighting Krishna's case. "It is getting very difficult for me to find a job. No one is willing to hire me. It has been two months since the murders and everybody knows what has gone on," he added.

Meanwhile, the authorities at the Fortis Hospital have said categorically that the Talwars "do not work with them anymore". They would not elaborate further.

What can I say?? really really sad. Ouch😭
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Posted: 17 years ago

Originally posted by: bunbutt_too

shefali_123ji I had read somewhere that there are fast track courts in India now. Are those only limited to criminal cases?

Unfortunately fast track courts are only for limited number of criminal cases.
civil case is totally out of the question, who will stand in the court for 20 long years, who has the energy, patience and what about the money??
talwar's have already lost their jobs as consultant doctors, slowly they will loose their patients. i tell you still majority of people believe they have done it. nothing u tell them will bring back their reputation or social standing.
krishna's family have lost their jobs, everyone believes his family members might also murder them or something. though the landlords in whose house krishna and his family stayed have not removed them as yet.
rajkumar's brother was crying on tv yesterday, he does not know what to do.
vijay mandal's mother in a remote village in bihar says she cannot even be with her son in these trying times, they dont have the money to fight such long battles.
really really sad.Ouch
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Posted: 17 years ago

Twin-murder accused Mandal sent to 4 days of CBI remand



Ghaziabad, July 15 The CBI court on Tuesday sent Vijay Mandal, co-accused in the Arushi-Hemraj murder case, to four days of CBI custody. The court turned down the investigating agency's request for a 10-day remand for Mandal, arrested on July 11.

Senior public prosecutor R K Saini told the court that CBI needs to perform a few more scientific tests on Mandal. 'The investigating agency needs Mandal's remand to interrogate him further. He said in a confessional statement that he can help the agency find the mobile phones (of Arushi and Hemraj), clothes, and the weapon of offence,' Saini submitted. 'The agency also needs to take him to CFSL-Delhi to perform a few tests on him.' Confused

Defence counsel Sanjay Tyagi told the court that CBI has no evidence against the accused and should, thus, free him. 'The agency took Krishna and Rajkumar (fellow accused) into custody but could not present any evidence against them,' he said. 'The CBI detained Mandal 15 days prior to his arrest, so CBI's application (seeking remand) should be dismissed.' The defence team also submitted that Mandal should be given free legal service, though the court rejected this application stating that the defence counsel is also representing the accused.

Vijay Mandal, employed as a household help in Talwars' neighbourhood in Jalvayu Vihar, Noida Sector-25, would next be produced in court on July 19.

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Posted: 17 years ago
Scientific tests cost CBI in Aarushi case

The Central Bureau of Investigation has finally managed to crack the Noida murder case. Although the CBI has received vital information through the scientific tests conducted on the various suspects, the agency will take some time to put together the evidence and submit it for the trial.

Arun Kumar, joint director of the investigating agency, recently admitted during a media conference that a series of tests had been conducted on Rajkumar, Dr Rajesh Talwar, Krishna and Vijay Mandal at the Forensic Sciences Laboratories in Mumbai and Ahmedabad. All the tests conducted at these laboratories had remained inconclusive, he told the media.

The CBI was hoping for a breakthrough during the tests conducted on Rajkumar. However, the Brain Electronic Oscillation Signature tests conducted on him failed.

Arun Kumar said that the tests at Ahmedabad were unsatisfactory and Rajkumar did not even slip into a trance, which is an essential condition to conduct a narco analysis test.

Rajkumar gave various confusing statements to the police, which added to the prevailing uncertainty in the case. The CBI had no choice but to continue seeking extension of Dr Talwar's remand.

Arun Kumar also said that the tests initially conducted on Krishna at Mumbai did not yield any result and hence they had to take him to Bengaluru for more tests.

The CBI had to cough up a considerable amount of money to conduct the tests. The agency had to pay Rs 40,000 for each test, except the tests in Bengaluru. The FSL in Bengaluru, which used to conduct the tests for a nominal Rs 200, increased the fee to Rs 2,000 recently, following a directive by the Karnataka government.

The FSL at Ahmedabad, which conducts the Brain Electrical Oscillation, has drawn severe criticism from the Union Ministry of Home Affairs. A MHA letter states that the tests carried out at the Ahmedabad FSL shows that there has been a 300 per cent error when the tests were conducted.

According to sources, the Brain Electrical Oscillation test, which was developed by a Bengaluru based scientist, has proven to be erroneous and inconclusive.

A committee appointed by the Union Ministry of Home Affairs visited the laboratory at Ahmedabad recently and found that the test was full of errors.

The report submitted by the MHA also recommends that the test should not be conducted and used for forensic investigations. In spite of the MHA's recommendations, the CBI subjected Rajkumar to this test and the FSL continues to use this method.




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