Right or Wrong - who determines that? - Page 8

Originally posted by: qwertyesque

are these the 3 stooges?

Originally posted by: lighthouse

Simply put death is absolute universal truth to all living things and right to life is a moral construct for human beings. Right to life supersedes all other rights in our moral and legal systems... but not always as it is evident in war times, decision to kill fetus when mothers life is threatened or in self defense - so killing to us can be both wrong and right not because of relativism but due to laws of nature..when armed with morals we get confused with the duality when the focus must be from nature's point of view- on feeding not on killing .. this was my point about animals not hunting as a hobby but to feed themselves..Rights and duties are not one and the same. one doesn't necessarily have right to live (as is evident by one's station in food chain) but one has duty/dharma to live as long as they can. This is inherent in our DNA and we don't have to think if and when it is right or wrong.. I feel one will end up doing the right thing if one follows duty then when the action is to fulfill one's own rights or whims..

1. lol. so apparently it's ok for animals or anyone else to hunt down others when they are hungry. what so appaling about that!!!???? it doesnt violate any moral concept... now how about the guy who's being hunted down for food. that ok by him/ her/ it? moral comes into play if there is life.. now do you get that or is it still pooch kar dekha?😛 how if someone's one of the last two people on the island, wld it be "right" to eat the other guy up for lunch in case that's what their DNA required for survival? absolutely.. he can use some salt and pepper as well for relish.. morals dont rise above life in such situation.....if no life then no morals...wld that be their dharma? yes by all means... religions like hinduism talk about sacrifice.. so its upto tht individual to either cook or be cooked.. both are doing dharma with different credits and debits. btw, is that some new religion or what? another one that folks fight over?😆

   point is none of these questions has the kind of clear cut right/ wrong answers that you or qwerty would have us believe. it is.. if you realize... even folks in religious epics found the "right" thing hazy. like what? global morals is one thing.. there are implications to religion, culture and tradition which are not as global...things are never childishly black and white even to the most astute of individuals, so when we pretend they are, we are probably the ones just trying to debate for the heck of it, not others.😉 grey shades is excuse given by individuals who want to have the option to tread more of the black areas

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

now, who can say their decision was "wrong". one gets caught even when they make "right" decisions so just chill and do what u feel is right coz u will get scr**ed nyways.....no matter what u choose 😆

read on 😉

It was the day before my eighteenth birthday. I was living at home, but my parents had gone out for the evening, so I invited my girlfriend over for a romantic night alone. As we lay in bed after making ****, we heard the telephone ringing downstairs. I suggested to my girlfriend that I give her a piggy-back ride to the phone. Since we didn't want to miss the call, we didn't have time to get dressed. When we got to the bottom of the stairs, the lights suddenly came on and a whole crowd of people yelled "SURPRISE!". My entire family, aunts, uncles, grandparents, cousins and all of my friends were standing there ! My girlfriend and I were frozen to the spot in a state of shock and embarrassment ! for what seemed like an eternity. Since then, no-one in my family has planned a surprise party again.

😆😆😆 that was really hilarious.... 😆

Originally posted by: chatbuster

that's not the point, but if that's what u see,

first thing first...lets not truncate what's put up in the original post while going after someone. especially, if it changes the entire meaning of their post!!! this is what i had up there:

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😆😆i knew it was coming😆

i sure can try if u tell me why r u guys debating over what's right for the animals and then connecting it to how humans behave!!!😉

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may be u'd like to rethink now "what exactly i see"😊

then i suppose someone's gotta stick up for the animals. that's why. 😛

be my guest 😊 if this is what u've decided to do then i really don't see any point in explaining why i liked lighty's post.....unless she is interested in knowing that😊

Originally posted by: qwertyesque

grey shades is excuse given by individuals who want to have the option to tread more of the black areas

don't agree with u here qwerty. the stuff about man eating man that u were supporting above also falls under that huge grey area. anything that can't be done under normal circumstances but is okay to do under extreme circumstances falls under that grey area. even animals don't kill and eat their own species. for man to come to that point just to survive, god knows how many wrongs he wld have already commited by the time he reached that stage. killing and eating another human being just to survive wld still be wrong but can be justified under those circumstances. this is what we have been saying since beginning. there r no absolute "rights" or "wrongs".

even if we consider globally accepted morals here..........if they were as balck and white as u r claiming them to be, they wouldn't require any qualifications for deviations under extreme/abnormal situations😊

glad u liked that joke. bahni emailed it to me😆

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

don't agree with u here qwerty. the stuff about man eating man that u were supporting above also falls under that huge grey area. anything that can't be done under normal circumstances but is okay to do under extreme circumstances falls under that grey area. even animals don't kill and eat their own species. for man to come to that point just to survive, god knows how many wrongs he wld have already commited by the time he reached that stage. killing and eating another human being just to survive wld still be wrong but can be justified under those circumstances. this is what we have been saying since beginning. there r no absolute "rights" or "wrongs".

even if we consider globally accepted morals here..........if they were as balck and white as u r claiming them to be, they wouldn't require any qualifications for deviations under extreme/abnormal situations😊

glad u liked that joke. bahni emailed it to me😆

oops i thought you were talking about when I was 18 years old... ... i thought we are so alike...😆😆😆

Originally posted by: qwertyesque

oops i thought you were talking about when I was 18 years old... ... i thought we are so alike...😆😆😆

😆 in that case it wld have been wrong anyways...keeping indian culture in mind😆😆

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

don't agree with u here qwerty. the stuff about man eating man that u were supporting above also falls under that huge grey area. anything that can't be done under normal circumstances but is okay to do under extreme circumstances falls under that grey area. even animals don't kill and eat their own species. for man to come to that point just to survive, god knows how many wrongs he wld have already commited by the time he reached that stage. killing and eating another human being just to survive wld still be wrong but can be justified under those circumstances. this is what we have been saying since beginning. there r no absolute "rights" or "wrongs".

even if we consider globally accepted morals here..........if they were as balck and white as u r claiming them to be, they wouldn't require any qualifications for deviations under extreme/abnormal situations😊

glad u liked that joke. bahni emailed it to me😆

Re cannibalism scenario mentioned for survival- I know I can't do it and I can see you won't do it either but some people may be able to in order to survive when there is nothing , absolutely no other way for survival and after 30-40 days without food and water our thinking is affected , not rational so who knows what would happen to anyone then..Charity and magnanimity does not have a place when one is in the midst of a blood battle or survival of self. Fear of our own death causes us to believe killing under any circumstances is wrong when nature demands survival of the fittest.

I am adressing the bold line above about grey areas - it happens all the time as I mentioned before. A fetus is killed if mothers life is in danger, a mother will not think twice for harming or killing anyone who attempts to hurt her child. To me it is clear as B/W even though killing is not allowed or done under normal circumstances.

Originally posted by: qwertyesque

oops i thought you were talking about when I was 18 years old... ... i thought we are so alike...😆😆😆

I bet you were hoping this one time that some one actually brought clothes as presents for you ..😛