Originally posted by: souro
@Madmadgirl: If I understand correctly then you're saying that mental patients have a right to lead a normal life.
I dont agree with your terminology. What I am talking about are PEOPLE with mental health issues. Your use of the word PATIENT implies someone who has been or needs hospitalization. With respect - you cannot lump everyone with mental health issues into the same boat.
It is like a being on a spectrum and therefore you cant treat people with, say, stress related depression who can lead damn near normal lives to someone who may be a paranoid schizophrenia. People who have OCD (Obsessive Compulsive Disorder) can be considered to have a mental health issue/disorder but I bet there are plenty of colleagues/friends who have no idea because those affected may be able to just about manage in their daily life
You want them to work in offices, the kids to study in normal schools and so on.
Yes, and indeed they do. Maybe attitudes where you are based are simply not ready or progressive enough to embrace this - personally I believe it is mostly due to ignorance and the lack of awareness or training - but in the UK there are many individuals who do both - successfully.
Now, what I'd like to ask you is if you were the employer would you employ a mentally ill person if you were fully aware of his/her condition??
Yes - and of course I would have to be aware! If I had a job that such a person could do with the requisite adjustments that may need to be made - I'd be happy to give that person a chance to earn a livlihood.
Can you blame someone to put his and his firms interests first instead of some person whose sudden change in behaviour might damage the goodwill of his firm?? Can you blame his colleagues if they avoid that person cos they think their personality or thinking doesn't match??
Listen..😆 There are plenty of normal people who could fall into that category!!!!😆
Examples that come to mind are colleagues with hitherto unblemished records becoming alcohol-dependant and that impacting their worklives. People who may have stress related problems or even having suffered a bereavement. They could all act/think differently after the event and require additional support/flexibilty - what would you do - sack them coz they dont think/act the same as they did before??? You may weel do - but not without giving them some slack beforehand. All I'm saying is the same slack can be given to people who have mental health problems.
If we're talking about kids, will you blame the other kids if they don't want to play with a mentally ill child cos s/he can't play properly or can't control their actions or maybe is too violent. In case of a mentally ill child, which will be more painful, studying in a special needs school or the knowledge that everyone avoids me??
I'm really sorry but it is clear to me that our experiences are very different and that may have a lot to do with the fact I'm UK based and youre not.
My experience here of the principle of inclusion in schools is that wherever possible, by including children with special needs (and again, those needs are very diverse including mental and physical disabilties) is that children grow up alongside and are much more accepting of their less able peers as they simply accept them for what they are. Satrategis are always in place by way of additional resources and extra pairs of hands where necessary to ensure the safety of all children is never compromised.
Children with special needs therefore are NOT ignored and if the integration does not work out and more high level input is required in order for these children to pregress - special schools where ther classes are smaller and staff to pupil ratios higher are considered.
I would also point out that plenty of "normal" children display behaviours that could be said to be disruptive, violent, spiteful and antisocial - why pick on the ones with special needs??
When those children refuse to play with him/her will you be there to take care or play with him/her instead.
😕 probably not if it's in school! But I have every faith in the professionals on hand with whom we leave our children that they would ensure no child was made to feel isolated.
Since we're mainly talking about schizophrenia and depression, I don't know if we're allowed to include cerebral palsy here, but how many people do you think will be too interested to have cerebral palsy patients as partners in any kind of activity. Maybe, if the patient is close to them they won't have a choice but otherwise I'll say noone will care. Atleast I won't and it's safe to assume that other's wont too. I don't know about you and what you'll do in such situations, but I think it's easier to write here than actually following them
OK, first of all I have no experience of CP and that is a condition that has not just mental health impact but definite physical impacts - not strictly therefore the same scenario - there are additional considerations where physical disabilities are concerned and I'm not going to go into those here.
Your indifference and apparent lack of interest smacks of some personal disgruntlement - but I'm happy to report that at least where I am there are enough progressive, open minded and keen individuals eager to try and understand mental health issues and those that may have them in order to try and help them in some may to achieving independant meaningful lives or at the very least be tolerant of them in society.
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