Were Pandavas cheaters? - Page 3

Originally posted by: TallyHo

If I had to question the characters of the Pandavas, I would do it for putting their wife at stake in the game...😡--true😳But i think bheem againt their brothers dicisions, Now and then womens beauty used for commercial purpose.....😳

playing foul in the war that follwed are petty crimes compared to it!😳

War does not determine who is right - only who is left -Bertrand Russell

Gentlemen, you can't fight in here...This is the War Room!-- Peter Sellers

The beauty of Mahabharata is the characterizations of the people. The world is not black and white, but many shades of gray. In the Mahabharata no character is perfectly good or bad. They are all realistic, human and flawed. They face human emotions of jealousy, love, rage, compassion etc.

What the Pandavas did may not be completely straightforward. However, it is not cheating or deceit either. They did what it took for the establishment of Dharma.

It is like should a criminal go free because of a loophole in the law or do you twist the laws to punish a criminal.

Duh! Obviously the Pandavas won by cheating. That is an inescapable truth (at least from the story as it stands today). It was painfully obvious that they were incapable of winning otherwise. 😉

@TallyHo: Agreed. Yudhisthir especially lost all my respect from that point of the story onwards. A despicable act indeed.

Originally posted by: sareg

It is always winners history, whoever wins, writes the history, and the truth is written on their behalf

IMO Pandavas were as much of cheaters as much as Kaurava's

Karna, his brother, Bhismhma, Duryodhana, Jaidratha, Dronacharya and the list goes on and on

Absolutely correct. Moreover, the so-called "Dharma" was ultimately defined by the victors as is usually the case. If the Kauravas had won then today we'd see people debating with great enthusiasm about how the 'great' Kauravas won the war on the side of 'Dharma'. 😆

I see the epic as less about absolute right and wrong and more about politics and military strategies of a bygone era. Plus, this epic appears more realistic when you consider that every character, whether divine or human, had gray shades. 😉 I think it is better to look at the good and bad on both sides of the story and take lessons from there, rather than declaring one side to be 'pure good' and the other 'pure evil'. 😊

Originally posted by: mittijalebi

So i recently finished watching the whole Mahabharat for the second time around........and i LOVED it! I was addicted to it to the point that my husband threatened to divorce me if i continued to watch it. 😆

while watching the battle of kurukshetra unfold one thought kept on coming to my mind over and over again........did the Pandavas win the war by cheating?

all of the great warriors killed by the Pandavas were killed by deceipt......Bhisma, Drona, Duryodhan, Karna etc.

what do you guys think?

Omg what a great question... i thing they tried reasoning with there there family and had to restore to manipulation... to win and having lord Krishna on your side the battle was comepletly won...

See i feel the Pandavas would never have won such a battle... if it was not for lord Krishna.... He kind of manipulated thing for them to win as i i dont thing they stood a chance.... It was a battle of Dharma and nothing else... and in a battle field... them man armed to kill you is the enemy and you will restore to anything to survive....

You can also add another funamental question... did lord Rama not also cheat to kill Ravan as his brother told Rama his weakness...

At the end of the day Good won over evil!

Kat

Originally posted by: Believe

Personaly I like Kauravas.......esply Karna.....when we read about his story its so touchy😳Some time i feel Kunti is soo crual...........😕

yes kunti was cruel to him.......all his life he longed for his identity and his own brothers would insult him every time they met by calling him a charioteer's son.

Originally posted by: lighthouse

In war if you don't kill first , you get killed first.. that is what war means , end of one party. Of course cheating should not be done in day to day life but war is very much different and it is a matter of survival. Pandavas knew they were up against much stronger and bigger opposition from Kauravas and they also knew with Krishna's help they can outsmart them in way not possible by reasoning with them.

very true, but also keep in mind that karn had made a promise to kunti that he wouldnt kill any of the pandavas except arjun. throughout the battle he had varoius chances to kill the others but he kept his word.....he was honest to his word......if he beleived in the philosophy that you need to kill first he would've been the murderer of at least half of the pandavas.

Originally posted by: qwertyesque

Everythings fair in a war against wrong thats it... If you a cheat a conman you dont become a conman... you become smart... I think you should watch it again and understand that there is a basic concept of right and wrong and that draupadi didnt wear hipsters.....😆

yes i did get that concept...........i'm not that slow. thanks. 😕

Originally posted by: Kal El

Absolutely correct. Moreover, the so-called "Dharma" was ultimately defined by the victors as is usually the case. If the Kauravas had won then today we'd see people debating with great enthusiasm about how the 'great' Kauravas won the war on the side of 'Dharma'. 😆

exactly!

@qwerts.........who is to decide whether the war is against wrong? in duryodhan's mind the pandavas were in the wrong.

Originally posted by: mittijalebi

very true, but also keep in mind that karn had made a promise to kunti that he wouldnt kill any of the pandavas except arjun. throughout the battle he had varoius chances to kill the others but he kept his word.....he was honest to his word......if he beleived in the philosophy that you need to kill first he would've been the murderer of at least half of the pandavas.

Kunti was a super cheater .. but she wasn't one of the Pandavas.
Talking Karna into such vow was a very selfish and crooked act that suited her . Kunti is just another example of a lousy and UNFAIR mother to her first son 🤢.
However, Mahabharat stands out for being all shades of grey as mentioned by all. It is not about putting anyone on pedestal and that makes it unique and a GUIDE to way of life as real as it can get!

Originally posted by: TallyHo

If I had to question the characters of the Pandavas, I would do it for putting their wife at stake in the game...😡

playing foul in the war that follwed are petty crimes compared to it!😳

Kissi ney sahi kaha hai...3 causes of all wars - Jadh, Jooru and Jameen😊