How should India handle Pakistan? - Page 12

Originally posted by: mermaid_QT

All I said is again, attaching religion tag is unnecessary. I never denied that there are Islamic militant grioups, while none by the name of Hindu militants, yet there are terrorist organizations run by Hindu majority. Again, I did not / don't wish to comment on whether INDIAN GOVT supports any of those. India is a secular country (R, i wonder where ur question arose, i never called it a hindu country did i😳 )
I do not wish to take this any further. Let us agree to differ and disagree on this. Thanks.

QT, The point here is a member gave examples of LTTE and ULFA as Hindu terrorist organizations. But in reality both are not religion based outfits but region based. There is a major difference. That outfit had people from all religions. Their motive was demand of separate state which they have reached compromise too.

Aren't we digressing from the main topic and that is about India and affect of recent political overtures in Pakistan on India?

Originally posted by: Maya_M

QT, The point here is a member gave examples of LTTE and ULFA as Hindu terrorist organizations. But in reality both are not religion based outfits but region based. There is a major difference. That outfit had people from all religions. Their motive was demand of separate state which they have reached compromise too.

Aren't we digressing from the main topic and that is about India and affect of recent political overtures in Pakistan on India?

Thanks for that explanation.
The topic had been digressed for several pages already.. 😆

Originally posted by: mermaid_QT

Thanks for that explanation. The topic had been digressed for several pages already.. 😆

Absolutely, I was trying to figure out where LTTE fits into this equation...Last I checked, the poor thing has nothing to do with Pakistan or for that matter even India... 😆

For all you know india might be funding LTTE , like pakistan does to 7860 terrorist outfits.

http://www.newkerala.com/july.php?action=fullnews&id=507 64

Kathmandu, July 31 : A Pakistani national was arrested in Tribhuwan International Airport here with fake Indian currency with a facevalue of Rs 10.2 million.

Abdul Wahab, who was nabbed yesterday, had arrived here by Pakistani International Airlines from Karachi.

Notes of Rs 500 and Rs 1000 denominations were found in his luggage, Senior Superintendent of Police Dhak Bahadur Karki said.

After examining, the experts found the notes to be fake, he said.

The currency notes were found concealed inside soap cartons.

Pakistani nationals were also arrested in the past in connection with the smuggling of fake Indian currency.

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It is well known fact that ISI is pushing fake currency into India in order to destablise our economy. Unless they are made to understand that any gadbadi from their side will be severely dealt with, woh log nahin sudhrenge! Woh bolte hain naa ki laaton ke bhoot baaton ne nahin maante.

My reference to the LTTE was an example of a Hindu Terror Outfit. I have said earlier abd repeat again that their idealogy is a different issue altogether.

But since some of you were insistant about it, here I go.

About the LTTE having people of other faiths in their ranks is all hogwash. The LTTE till recently was targetting the muslims of the area controlled by it so much so that the muslims representatives even requested the Lankan Govt. to protect them from the attacks.

The LTTE was (I use the word was) funded to a large extent by Tamilians mostly Hindus devotees of Lord Murugan based in Malaysia, Thailand, Hong Kong and the UK not counting the US, India and other countries.

The LTTE had a representative office in London but was was forced by the UK govt. to shut down after the US war of Terror began.

There was a door-to-door drive in Tamil Nadu in the early 80's and throughout the 90's to collect funds for the Tamil Ealam by political and social groups and individuals.

When The LTTE killed India's youngest and brightest former PM Rajiv Gandhi a Hindu in 1991 the govt. tightened its screws and the movement went covert in Tamil Nadu and thats how it is today.

India has always refrained from openly declaring its support to the LTTE because of its NAM policy and inorder to proove that point under the then Sri Lankan govt.s request and in the face of protests in Tamil Nadu, India whose PM then was the late Rajiv Gandhi was forced to send the then (IPKF) Indian Peace Keeping Force becasue if not the Lankan Govt. had threatened to get the help of the Pakistan army.

Its another matter that the Indian forces lost heavily because of the LTTE's guerrilla tactics and had to pull out in the face of mounting casualties. The LTTE further hit back by eliminating several Lankan Govt. officials including its then President and as mentioned earlier our own exPm Rajiv Gandhi which forced the Indian govt. to ban the LTTE in India.

The LTTE used to force parents to part with children as young as 12 to be trained as fighters which forced many a parent to migrate or flee to India and other parts of the world. Tamil Nadu has a large number who have taken refuge there.

The ULFA is another example of a Hindu Terror Group whatever the idealogy not necessarily religious propogation.

We Indians love to take the higher moral ground, that we don't have terrorists who are Hindus. Dhiren Barot a British Indian who was a Hindu convert to Islam is one such example.

About India handling Pakistan, the best way for India is to seal and electric fence its borders on a permanent basis since a major chunk of the infiltrators cross the borders thru Kashmir, Nepal and Bangladesh.

Like someone rightly said India is gutless and can only talk. We talk about preemtive strikes, following the terrorists across the border and such things but don't have the guts to go ahead and do it.

About Pakistans support to terror activites against India was initially seen as right to get even with India given India's role and support to the birth of Bangladesh as an independent nation.

Today it has taken a more rabid religious dimension and for the worse as seen with the rising number of recent suicide bombings in India post the Godhra carnage.

On the issue of spread of Islam through terror acts is in my opinion is not the case. On the contrary its doing more harm to the religion.

Islamic Terrrorism to a large extent today is hijacked by the believers and followers of the Wahabi sects amongst the Sunnis. It originates in Saudi Arabia and is funded by them to create a pure and true breed (see as strict) of followers whatever the means, voilence being one of the most potent one.

The Wahabis hate of followers of other faiths. They are also at loggerheads with Shias and Iran which is Shitte is often seen as a challenger and threat to their domination.

Rise in Islamic terrorism today can to a large extent be directed at the US and its policies. Since this is getting a little too long, I'll save that for another day.

In my opinion returning voilence for voilence multiplies voilence as we see today in Iraq, Afganistan etc.

And the best way for India is to go ahead and get its act together, seal up its borders, monitor the running of religious schools, keep a track of the funds received and how its utlised, tighten the screws on their funding etc. It is going to be a huge logistical and financial task but certainly not impossible.

Originally posted by: Kay Kay

My reference to the LTTE was an example of a Hindu Terror Outfit. I have said earlier abd repeat again that their idealogy is a different issue altogether.

But since some of you were insistant about it, here I go.

About the LTTE having people of other faiths in their ranks is all hogwash. The LTTE till recently was targetting the muslims of the area controlled by it so much so that the muslims representatives even requested the Lankan Govt. to protect them from the attacks.

The LTTE was (I use the word was) funded to a large extent by Tamilians mostly Hindus devotees of Lord Murugan based in Malaysia, Thailand, Hong Kong and the UK not counting the US, India and other countries.

The LTTE had a representative office in London but was was forced by the UK govt. to shut down after the US war of Terror began.

There was a door-to-door drive in Tamil Nadu in the early 80's and throughout the 90's to collect funds for the Tamil Ealam by political and social groups and individuals.

When The LTTE killed India's youngest and brightest former PM Rajiv Gandhi a Hindu in 1991 the govt. tightened its screws and the movement went covert in Tamil Nadu and thats how it is today.

India has always refrained from openly declaring its support to the LTTE because of its NAM policy and inorder to proove that point under the then Sri Lankan govt.s request and in the face of protests in Tamil Nadu, India whose PM then was the late Rajiv Gandhi was forced to send the then (IPKF) Indian Peace Keeping Force becasue if not the Lankan Govt. had threatened to get the help of the Pakistan army.

Its another matter that the Indian forces lost heavily because of the LTTE's guerrilla tactics and had to pull out in the face of mounting casualties. The LTTE further hit back by eliminating several Lankan Govt. officials including its then President and as mentioned earlier our own exPm Rajiv Gandhi which forced the Indian govt. to ban the LTTE in India.

The LTTE used to force parents to part with children as young as 12 to be trained as fighters which forced many a parent to migrate or flee to India and other parts of the world. Tamil Nadu has a large number who have taken refuge there.

The ULFA is another example of a Hindu Terror Group whatever the idealogy not necessarily religious propogation.

We Indians love to take the higher moral ground, that we don't have terrorists who are Hindus. Dhiren Barot a British Indian who was a Hindu convert to Islam is one such example.

About India handling Pakistan, the best way for India is to seal and electric fence its borders on a permanent basis since a major chunk of the infiltrators cross the borders thru Kashmir, Nepal and Bangladesh.

Like someone rightly said India is gutless and can only talk. We talk about preemtive strikes, following the terrorists across the border and such things but don't have the guts to go ahead and do it.

About Pakistans support to terror activites against India was initially seen as right to get even with India given India's role and support to the birth of Bangladesh as an independent nation.

Today it has taken a more rabid religious dimension and for the worse as seen with the rising number of recent suicide bombings in India post the Godhra carnage.

On the issue of spread of Islam through terror acts is in my opinion is not the case. On the contrary its doing more harm to the religion.

Islamic Terrrorism to a large extent today is hijacked by the believers and followers of the Wahabi sects amongst the Sunnis. It originates in Saudi Arabia and is funded by them to create a pure and true breed (see as strict) of followers whatever the means, voilence being one of the most potent one.

The Wahabis hate of followers of other faiths. They are also at loggerheads with Shias and Iran which is Shitte is often seen as a challenger and threat to their domination.

Rise in Islamic terrorism today can to a large extent be directed at the US and its policies. Since this is getting a little too long, I'll save that for another day.

In my opinion returning voilence for voilence multiplies voilence as we see today in Iraq, Afganistan etc.

And the best way for India is to go ahead and get its act together, seal up its borders, monitor the running of religious schools, keep a track of the funds received and how its utlised, tighten the screws on their funding etc. It is going to be a huge logistical and financial task but certainly not impossible.

nice.😛 hindus attacking hindus and they get labelled a hindu terror group. getting your terminology all mixed up, arent you? you say you dont want to look at ideology. boss, what else would one look at if not mission statements and ideology? visa or mastercard membership?😛

also, on one hand, you gratuituously say that "india is gutless", yet later point out that violence only begets further violence. oh yes, you did say "tighten financial screws". so that's your idea of showing guts, of escaping your "india is a gutless nation" tag? boss, dont you think there's just a lil bit of confusion with certain words? or maybe imprecision if you prefer?😆

Originally posted by: chatbuster

nice.😛 hindus attacking hindus and they get labelled a hindu terror group. getting your terminology all mixed up, arent you? you say you dont want to look at ideology. boss, what else would one look at if not mission statements and ideology? visa or mastercard membership?😛

also, on one hand, you gratuituously say that "india is gutless", yet later point out that violence only begets further violence. oh yes, you did say "tighten financial screws". so that's your idea of showing guts, of escaping your "india is a gutless nation" tag? boss, dont you think there's just a lil bit of confusion with certain words? or maybe imprecision if you prefer?😆

Hindus massacaring muslims, Sinhalese and Hindus as well. Hows that. When faced with a reality check we tend to find justification in our acts don't we.

I've clearly said idealogy is altogether different issue and I've pretty much maintained that.

One can clearly see whos got what mixed and how. Since this is clearly a personal attack, I can now clearly see the depths of your hollowness haven't gripped up at all.

Originally posted by: Kay Kay

Hindus massacaring muslims, Sinhalese and Hindus as well. Hows that. When faced with a reality check we tend to find justification in our acts don't we.

I've clearly said idealogy is altogether different issue and I've pretty much maintained that.

One can clearly see whos got what mixed and how. Since this is clearly a personal attack, I can now clearly see the depths of your hollowness haven't gripped up at all.

lol. dont know who is attacking whom. it's important here to make rudimentary distinctions between someone who is asking whether you are confusing terminologies and calling someone hollow. i gave you an opportunity to clarify by asking. you are going flat out with your assertions. dont know who is hollow😆

let's try this again. you keep insisting that you dont want to get into ideology. well, it does matter even if you choose to gloss over it. that's the basic reason people the world over attach certain tags. cant use incorrect terminology that dont mean much except to yourself. not a very helpful way to convey ideas. when someone says "hindu terror group", the implication is that the objective is to spread terror and impose hinduism. contrary to what you might be implying, the LTTE spreading hinduism in a hindu country might make sense only in your mind.

incidentally, you were given several other examples to make points that refute your categorization (example of not calling southerners christian terrorists, not calling india a hindu nation), all of which you choose to miss out on with your postings. finally, you have also very conveniently chosen to ignore the inconsistencies and imprecision in what you have posted regarding india being gutless. clear them up first before calling other folks hollow.😆