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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: mermaid_QT



LOL.. i am glad the coupon is of use 😳😳😳 .. enjoy dear! U r a real sweetheart and a sport there 👏

Okay, so I should count the fence sitters now. Did anshu go on fence too ?? I am sure vineet will be steadfast 👍🏼.


Anshu isn't here but I think he's not going to change sides. I was on his side on Page 1 and then I was exploring the other side while he was still there. Both sides make good sense to me. As long as they show some improvement in the game, I don't care how many endorsements they get to make😛
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Posted: 18 years ago
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I'd love to be in a commercial with sachin / rahul / ajay. i will support those endorsements whole heartedly 😃
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: mermaid_QT



ek teer se kitne shikaar bandhu?? 😆😆😆 ..

😃 the puranpoli and gajjar ka halwa seems to have finally showed u the sweet side of me 😳.. delighted to know that .. 😃

qt

🤗 even without puran poli and gajjar halwa....😊

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: mermaid_QT


Okay, so I should count the fence sitters now. Did anshu go on fence too ?? I am sure vineet will be steadfast 👍🏼.

No. Still on for no-ban. Read Sareg's response on page 4 sunday morning and thought battle is won..😉 😊 adding up Souro comment of having adverse impact by implying a restriction or a ban.

6 more pages after that, oh boy! skimmed through them and still hold my ground.

whats up with .5% vote - whose flipping sides here😆. I think we have a majority and verdict or conclusion can be announced before hosts are out of chips and guacamole... BTW drinks are served for folks on board - ofcourse they are sponsored by KingFisher 😆😆

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: qwertyesque

🤗even without puran poli and gajjar halwa....😊

qwerts. thnx. 🤗

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: raj5000

No. Still on for no-ban. Read Sareg's response on page 4 sunday morning and thought battle is won..😉 😊 adding up Souro comment of having adverse impact by implying a restriction or a ban.

6 more pages after that, oh boy! skimmed through them and still hold my ground.

whats up with .5% vote - whose flipping sides here😆. I think we have a majority and verdict or conclusion can be announced before hosts are out of chips and guacamole... BTW drinks are served for folks on board - ofcourse they are sponsored by KingFisher 😆😆



that 0.5 was me, only half human no? 😉
😆😆😆
Cewl @ beer. I never had kingfisher in my life! 😛.. i hated beer in undergrad.
no verdict yet. hopefully, we'll have some empire state buildings here as well 😉.
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Posted: 18 years ago
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My way of looking at this(and before anyone starts quoting, please read the entire content and then comment) , Wasnt arguing just for the sake of it, I had a concept in mind😉. Only when you are convinced can you make an approach😆, or else you come up with broad sweeping statement😉

In my scenario

BCCI has no control over who and how many commercials any players do, the only rule is the preceeding 15 day before a event, there should not be any time spent on commercials, so players are fresh before the cricket event(like training camp or a match)

How does an endorsement work? A player has good track record he is performing well the company is cashing in on his image to market their product, so they are tying the fortune of their product to the player. In the case of WC 2007 there were crores of rupees of losses incurred by companies b'cos they did not get to broadcast their commercials

After WC 2007 debacle, Some players (in good fatih or fearing backlash) told the companies to hold the endorsement, naturally the company will have a clause in place where the player's remuneration is reduced for that

So hopefully the companies have learnt the lesson, now when they contract a player it will be for a year or a season(now a year/season will mean the player will have to perform in that year to get an endorsement next year). Player plays well, he gets endorsements, he does not or get dropped from the team he loses the endorsement for the next year

How does an endorsement time actually work?
now how much time does an endorsement take to shoot, 45 sec spot, say 3-4 versions, maybe a week?

If a player has 8 endorsements, that is 8 weeks in a year, the cricket season spans 30-35 weeks in a year. He still has 15 more weeks of spare time.There is enough time to recuperate, isnt it?

How the BCCI has messed this up

Now BCCI says only 3 endorsements/player. Now say a player has played well for a season, he goes to a company and says well I can only do 3 endorsements, so my rates are higher now(company loses right there) and I want a guaranteed contract for 5 years(normal contracts for Sachin/Sourav/Dravid) are 4-5 years. The company is tied up into a player for no reason for more time due to this stupid decision by BCCI, the only out clause guaranteed by the constitution is social behaviou, say a player is caught having drugs or in a rape charge or similar offense then the company can terminate the conract.

Also now in bargain the company get to ask for more prominent times when they can air their commercials, so those drinks breaks will be larger, so player coming out to bat commercials will be longer, that is how it works in the NBA, NFL and MLB. a hr long football game lasts 4 hrs, a basketball game lasts ( of 4 12 mins quarter goes on for 2-3 hrs) and Baseball game takes atleast 3 hrs

Cricket as it is a day-long event, it will just get worser


Well the player made the same money he has 5 more free weeks, maybe he can open up a restaurant in that time, he still has 15 more weeks of spare time.

More so, now employers can make a clause similar to this in their contractual terms, Stipulating what we can and cannot do in our personal life. If a employer thinks visiting a location like Goa is harmful, it might as well be there and the supporting evidence can be BCCI's policy(That is a semi Govt body)


That clause in BCCI conract is populist measure but has no bearing on how the player plays or his purse gets affected.

In fact it hurts the consumer(that is us, where in we get to see a player doing commercial even if he is dropped) and the company.

And my approach doesnt make end-runs around (the inconvienient)democracy 😉

How the clause came about, There is a team of 7 captains who came up with recommendations and this was always on their list, if you count the number of commercials they did you will know, it is a situation of we couldnt do it in our times, why should these new kids do it, Pretty typical 😉

Edited by sareg - 18 years ago
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: raj5000

No. Still on for no-ban. Read Sareg's response on page 4 sunday morning and thought battle is won..😉 😊 adding up Souro comment of having adverse impact by implying a restriction or a ban.

haha, not so fast. have not seen anything to refute my point and i'll repeat that below in case it was missed😉

6 more pages after that, oh boy! skimmed through them and still hold my ground.

whats up with .5% vote - whose flipping sides here😆. I think we have a majority and verdict or conclusion can be announced before hosts are out of chips and guacamole...

debating by conducting public opinion polls LOL.😆 one might want to read Punjini's siggy to get a handle on what majority being on one side might mean at times.😉

BTW drinks are served for folks on board - ofcourse they are sponsored by KingFisher 😆😆

next we'll be heariing wonderful stories of all the countless people who drive drunk yet not kill people, all the kids who show up stone drunk for exams and still ace those exams. 😆all of that misses the point that those activities, like the focus and distraction on endorsements, increases the likelihood of things going badly. margin between winning and losing is often a small one. keep driving drunk and the odds stack up for something terrible happening. the fact that we get away with it a few times, like we did with the sehwag endorsement saga, should not be exterpolated. that's a recipe for potential disaster😉

also, nothing seen that refutes the point about tailoring proper incentive structure to drive cricketing performance, not acting performance. kisi ka "declare" karne se does not mean much😉😆

Edited by chatbuster - 18 years ago

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