Hindi is a little child in diapers says kamal haasan. - Page 11

Originally posted by: 9SakthLaunda4

All the troop is giving their opinion . So, I might as well give my own .

I would like Hindi and respective regional language of the states to be made as a mandatory languages . My brother studied in Kendra vidyalaya, a central school . He only knows Hindi and English and doesn't know how to write in Telugu even though he is a Telugite. Make Hindi mandatory but not at the cost of regional languages.

My parents preference was precisely this only to learn Hindi and English. And to not learn state language for better outreach in pan India. So even i was enrolled in central school. They communicate in their own language with each other but with us, their kids, in Hindi or English.

Originally posted by: Charaiveti

colonization was not by choice though. English became an universal language by default.just like south American countries speak Spanish now due to Spain's colonization. And often it actually helps when a neutral language that doesn't belong to anybody any state exist cz it acts as a neutralizer. The reason biology scientific names n taxonomy were decided to be done in Latin bcz Latin is a dead language, Noone uses it in daily life. If any other language was selected rest of the linguistic groups would've been pissed.

Similarly when u say Hindi should be must,Hindi should be National language, totally determines other Indian languages. Then I as a bengali will say make Bengali must then too,tamilians will say make Tamil must too,gujaratis will say why not Gujarati. Giving one language importance over others just cz no of speakers is high doesn't make sense to me n never will. Forcing stuff on people never works

ah.....thanks for this -^-

Originally posted by: Jaitreya23

Yes you are exhibiting that. Not only contradictions but also anger, intolerance, immaturity, name calling.

Oh not again, you keep denying things which you have actually written right here!!😳 well denying won't change the truth.

Me insulting languages? Now that's clearly confabulation by you.

Kamal Haasan is inconsequential because he is spreading hatred, he has malicious motive. He was inconsequential when he insulted Hindu Sanatan dharma, when he threw out Sarika and his wrong doings are many. His views do not change the parliamentary democracy process. If sensible and mature people ignore him, he gets no attention.

Series of personal attacks by up won't supress other point of views. You are getting agitated, frustrated and passing personal attacks, trying to insult me, but it won't work because the you speak/ write indicates your values and the way I respond/ react indicates my values. I understand you lost logic and reasoning. Calm down, open mind gives better perspective.

Threw out Sarika? That is their personal matter what has sanatana dharma got to do with it?

I made no personal attacks at you. Just pointed out the jingoism and regional fanatism you displayed in the first post of yours I quoted. I am neither agitated nor am frustrated. If anything its you who are getting hyper and agitated because others have a different point of view than yours.

Originally posted by: Zeal17

My parents preference was precisely this only to learn Hindi and English. And to not learn state language for better outreach in pan India. So even i was enrolled in central school. They communicate in their own language with each other but with us, their kids, in Hindi or English.

But aise toh regional languages bolna band hi ho jayega na?

Originally posted by: 9SakthLaunda4

All the troop is giving their opinion . So, I might as well give my own .

I would like Hindi and respective regional language of the states to be made as a mandatory languages . My brother studied in Kendra vidyalaya, a central school . He only knows Hindi and English and doesn't know how to write in Telugu even though he is a Telugite. Make Hindi mandatory but not at the cost of regional languages.

I have seen some of my relatives complain about their kids dont know how to write or read telugu. but the tone says that they are proud of their kids not knowing their mother tongue.

then again its their choice, we cant complain or say anything about it. waise bhi ye competition ki duniya hai, jo bikega wohi seekhna padega na.

but the sad thing is, slowly and steadily one more language is gonna join in 'dying languages' list.

chalo watch this comedy scene on telugu vs english😆

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WifFD8MFVc

watch it from 2:10

Great, we should all exclusively converse in Sanskrit then.

Originally posted by: Charaiveti

colonization was not by choice though. English became an universal language by default.just like south American countries speak Spanish now due to Spain's colonization. And often it actually helps when a neutral language that doesn't belong to anybody any state exist cz it acts as a neutralizer. The reason biology scientific names n taxonomy were decided to be done in Latin bcz Latin is a dead language, Noone uses it in daily life. If any other language was selected rest of the linguistic groups would've been pissed.English imposition is not something any our living generation has seen first hand, thus it doesn't create a kneejerk reaction like Hindi imposition does bcz , it's a recent thing, it's our own people doing this,and India is a free democratic country now with 22 official languages

Similarly when u say Hindi should be must,Hindi should be National language, totally demeans other Indian languages. Then I as a bengali will say make Bengali must then too,tamilians will say make Tamil must too,gujaratis will say why not Gujarati. Giving one language importance over others just cz no of speakers is high doesn't make sense to me n never will. Forcing stuff on people never works

Don't you feel same about English. Giving preference to English over your regional language isnt it demeaning. My state language is different btw. It's not Hindi.

People have no issue giving an outsider language importance but the moment asked to select one language within the family. It is all of a sudden question of demeaning other languages. Doesn't make sense to me and never will either. Who is forcing let's as a family put it on discussion that withing our languaged have to select one.

Originally posted by: Pain-in-ur-Neck

I really don't get it either ... I mean Britishers made us go through hell for decades yet people aren't offended having "English" as one of the official languages ... while all hell breaks loose if one of the Indian languages is proposed to be a "National language" ... 🤔

North Indian states also have various languages ... (-Considering all states besides the 4 in South) Himachal, Kashmir, Rajasthan, Maharashtra, Punjab, Haryana, Gujarat, West Bengal, even UP and Bihar (Bhojpuri) ... all 7 sisters have different languages too ... So to think about it most of the states have their own language and "Hindi" isn't their mother tongue!

I don't mind regardless ... I do feel India can do good having a national language which gets communicated by ALL ... If not Hindi be it anything else ... doesn't matter .... May be how PM is elected, a national language can be elected too!

It is always helpful to take a dispassionate look at it and you make very good points. I am not sure if I will add anything valuable but let me try by stating some speculations. The reason many people are fine with learning English is because it seems they think it gives them an important advantage on international level (like say most powerful international media houses seem to be in English, most popular journals and books seem to be in English, major chunk of popular websites use English as their primary language etc.). Since English seems to be playing a major role in connecting different countries then why not let it do the similar task of connecting different regions within India. It does seem "logical" and may be more "efficient" as well. Another reason (may be controversial) is that it seems that people in India (actually it is not just in India) associate a sort of elitism with English. I speculate that we, Indian people, correlate education with English knowledge more often than not. This correlation (which could even be statistically true) sometimes seems to take the form of causation in popular culture and this means that people conclude intelligence and sophistication from English skills. This interpretation, although technically problematic, does affect our general perception of languages and English could have a lead over there. Also, it could be that people just want a third party language to be the common one over something that favors one regional group.

My guess is all these reasons are a good way to explain why many Indians (both North and South) seem to prefer English as the unifying language.

Your second point is brilliant as well. It is definitely a nice academic exercise to reason why most North Indian states, despite having their own languages, do not seem to oppose vehemently the idea of Hindi being a national language. In my interactions with people from various North Indian states, it seems that none of them actually care much, at least not as much as say Tamilians. Maybe, Hindi is naturally more distant from Telugu, Tamil etc. than from Haryanvi, Gujarati etc., if one could define a distance metric between languages (based on script, word overlaps, geographical distance etc.). This could explain why Hindi may be more alien to Tamilians than say Gujaratis. Maybe people in North Indian states already know decent amount of Hindi so they are not that averse to it. Also, language politics has always been strong in southern parts, which explains more resistance by default to Hindi.

It could be argued that we have to have some common language for free and uninhibited flow of ideas across the country. But it remains unclear which language will and should achieve it.

Originally posted by: Panditaain_ji

But aise toh regional languages bolna band hi ho jayega na?

So a kid who is speaking regional language is by choice or by imposition by birth?

Originally posted by: MercurialMedusa

Threw out Sarika? That is their personal matter what has sanatana dharma got to do with it?

I made no personal attacks at you. Just pointed out the jingoism and regional fanatism you displayed in the first post of yours I quoted. I am neither agitated nor am frustrated. If anything its you who are getting hyper and agitated because others have a different point of view than yours.

It's just stated as an example that Kamal is inconsequential he had long list of wrong doings. Why do you keep making up allegations? I never stated anywhere its connect with dharma. Stop the confabulation. You haven't pointed out, you have categorically called me unsavory remarks like jingoistic and fanatic? Isn't that offensive? Are you proud of yourself for writing like this? If you weren't frustrated you won't be making these concocted allegations and used facts and have tolerance for a hope. It's a hope, understand this, not a referendum.

Actually you are exhibiting jingoism, fanaticism and antagonism towards hindi speakers. You cannot accept or tolerance a hope?

I am not interested in conversing with you who has provisional mindset, is uncouth and intolerant to varying ideas.