Life is an illusion - Page 8

Originally posted by: beingsirius

Acco to Aurobindo Ghosh, we as humans evolving since life started on earth, from a fish up to a highly knowledgeable administrator and war strategist Krishna, the Dashavataras are nothing but life's evolution on earth! From an ignorant living being to supra-human,I think God is nothing but a fully evolved Supra Being. With our 5 Senses, we will be able to understand the worldly things and try to interpret with our inherent knowledge.

Again there is a point to ponder, through senses we have a limited access to understand the universe and its varied ways of evolution!

The human mind struggles to grasp reality, but in practical terms can only generate various concepts and theories that have their limitations. Identifying their boundaries of applicability is essential. If these boundaries and limits are not well defined, concepts and theories may turn into dogmas and one is left with illusions of understanding. Concepts and theories cannot fully describe the ultimate reality due to the inaccessibility to all the elements of emergent reality, and due to the inherent unknowability of all that remains to be discovered and understood. Thus, some disconnect from reality is inevitable and humans are caught between illusion and reality. The fundamental problem of illusions seizing the individual's awareness is the resulting reluctance to see things as they are and to be seen without illusions.

Human beings are caught between illusion and reality, as the mind dwells in the subjective world of ideas and concepts, but physically one exists in the world of objective reality that cannot be directly experienced or fully understood. This is further complicated by the use of reason and logic to guide the mind to truth, as they rely on language that is inadequate for describing reality and often leads to paradoxes. There is no definitive answer to the question of what reality is. In broadest terms, one can define reality as all that exists, irrespective of whether or not it can be observed or understood. One can distinguish between apparent reality and ultimate reality, as well as between physical or human-independent reality and mental or human-constructed reality. Physical reality is defined as extended in space, having physical properties such as mass, and existing independently of the observer. Mental reality has no extension in space and exists only in the minds of individuals, with its existence depending on the observer. It is essential to distinguish between different types of reality, and between the representation of reality in the mind and reality itself. Ultimate reality cannot be defined by concepts or words. It could be thought to be unchangeable. But hardly anything in the universe is truly permanent. There is no assurance that even physical laws and constants will remain the same with cosmic evolution. The ultimate truth may not even exist. Moreover, the ultimate reality is unreachable, as it is uncertain how much of reality is completely unknown or inaccessible to human reason and understanding. Individual human beings emerge in the world in a specific era and place, and they have relatively short lives in the constant presence of uncertainty and death. During this limited existence, the individual has to adapt to the outside world in an endless struggle against the unknown. The limits of existence, cognitive biases, and the boundaries of understanding can result in illusions, which can be perceived as reality. These are the illusions of knowledge and understanding, of faith and certainty, of time and eternity, of freedom and free will, and of the meaning of life. Illusions can also evolve from imagination unsupported by facts. Recognizing the mysterious nature of reality, one struggles to distinguish between illusions and reality. But it is not always clear whether one arrives at a deeper understanding of reality or just moves from one illusion to another. Knowingly or unknowingly, the human tendency is to distort reality to make it more endurable. The human mind is steered towards illusions that are adaptable to one's needs and desires. It is difficult to tell where reality ends and illusions begin, as the transition between them is often unclear and inconsistent.It seems there is no conclusion for all these illusions!😊

Edited by Viswasruti - 7 years ago

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

All great questions.

In your own example, the rabbit has every right to be upset to be forcefully participating in the magic show.

To experience any of the illusion or reality there needs to be a conscious entity. The ability to experience is consciousness. A dominant theory of consciousness says that it is associated with complexity , with a system's ability to act upon its own state and determine its own fate. The theory further states that it could go down to very simple systems. In principle, some purely physical systems that are not biological or organic may also be conscious!

Acco to Aurobindo Ghosh, we as humans evolving since life started on earth, from a fish up to a highly knowledgeable administrator and war strategist Krishna, the Dashavataras are nothing but life's evolution on earth! From an ignorant living being to supra-human,I think God is nothing but a fully evolved Supra Being. With our 5 Senses, we will be able to understand the worldly things and try to interpret with our inherent knowledge.

Again there is a point to ponder, through senses we have a limited access to understand the universe and its varied ways of evolution!

The human mind struggles to grasp reality, but in practical terms can only generate various concepts and theories that have their limitations. Identifying their boundaries of applicability is essential. If these boundaries and limits are not well defined, concepts and theories may turn into dogmas and one is left with illusions of understanding. Concepts and theories cannot fully describe the ultimate reality due to the inaccessibility to all the elements of emergent reality, and due to the inherent unknowability of all that remains to be discovered and understood. Thus, some disconnect from reality is inevitable and humans are caught between illusion and reality. The fundamental problem of illusions seizing the individual's awareness is the resulting reluctance to see things as they are and to be seen without illusions.

Human beings are caught between illusion and reality, as the mind dwells in the subjective world of ideas and concepts, but physically one exists in the world of objective reality that cannot be directly experienced or fully understood. This is further complicated by the use of reason and logic to guide the mind to truth, as they rely on language that is inadequate for describing reality and often leads to paradoxes. There is no definitive answer to the question of what reality is. In broadest terms, one can define reality as all that exists, irrespective of whether or not it can be observed or understood. One can distinguish between apparent reality and ultimate reality, as well as between physical or human-independent reality and mental or human-constructed reality. Physical reality is defined as extended in space, having physical properties such as mass, and existing independently of the observer. Mental reality has no extension in space and exists only in the minds of individuals, with its existence depending on the observer. It is essential to distinguish between different types of reality, and between the representation of reality in the mind and reality itself. Ultimate reality cannot be defined by concepts or words. It could be thought to be unchangeable. But hardly anything in the universe is truly permanent. There is no assurance that even physical laws and constants will remain the same with cosmic evolution. The ultimate truth may not even exist. Moreover, the ultimate reality is unreachable, as it is uncertain how much of reality is completely unknown or inaccessible to human reason and understanding. Individual human beings emerge in the world in a specific era and place, and they have relatively short lives in the constant presence of uncertainty and death. During this limited existence, the individual has to adapt to the outside world in an endless struggle against the unknown. The limits of existence, cognitive biases, and the boundaries of understanding can result in illusions, which can be perceived as reality. These are the illusions of knowledge and understanding, of faith and certainty, of time and eternity, of freedom and free will, and of the meaning of life. Illusions can also evolve from imagination unsupported by facts. Recognizing the mysterious nature of reality, one struggles to distinguish between illusions and reality. But it is not always clear whether one arrives at a deeper understanding of reality or just moves from one illusion to another. Knowingly or unknowingly, the human tendency is to distort reality to make it more endurable. The human mind is steered towards illusions that are adaptable to one's needs and desires. It is difficult to tell where reality ends and illusions begin, as the transition between them is often unclear and inconsistent.It seems there is no conclusion for all these illusions!😊

Originally posted by: Viswasruti

Yes, death is the ultimate destination for all the illusions!

The ultimate reality is -- there is an end to every beginning, but it is beyond our perception that whether there is a beginning after every end ! The space and time between the beginning and the end ,we call it life.

But yes, is there some static, unchangeable aspect to the ultimate reality? Or its ever in a state of flux? Is it even necessary that there ought to be something unchangeable? Like evaporation-condensation, one is always consuming the other but they also both exist and both dont exist. Kind of like Schrodinger's cat. Like the juggler juggling balls-if he stops all the balls fall down.

We're told that there have been many pralayas. Every time there have been a new set of Saptarishis, a new set of Vishnu Avatars. Perhaps we'll never know.

As the best eg, we talked about, The Sun -- it is there , static, but from different angles from the earth for the humans, it is creating light and darkness by being there constantly oozing only brightness/light throughout, the human angle is changing while experiencing the light and darkness, not the Sun, in the same way, the All-powerful God is there to guide, to implement Karma Siddhanta, to extinct, through the presence of the Divine Trinity , we humans are trying to see Him, trying to understand Him, searching for him and at the end praying for pardon for our worldly weaknesses and latent imprints of Vasanas,the past impressions in the mind that influences our behaviour. Maya is the inescapable condition of mortal life. We cannot validate its existence except through the testimony of the scriptures. In the macrocosm, we recognize her as a deity or an aspect or force of Nature and in the beings as a state or condition which is responsible for egoism, delusion and ignorance. The body itself is a creation of Maya, subject to Maya, the field of Maya and personifies the state of Maya. So is the mind. Both act as the prison house of the Self and do not let it go until one is completely freed from it.

Originally posted by: beingsirius

I was going to write that the Sun will die too, maybe in 5 billion years, I dont know.

By that yardstick, the moon and planets are also static at least more so than phenomena on earth. That's why perhaps they're so important in astrology. We dont know the limits of the universe or with the concept of the expanding universe, even if there are any. But we choose these bodies that are closest to the earth for astrological calculations.

How is affects us, is not intuitive at all and yet it does. Even a layman can check and see, how correct the nakshatra descriptions are in describing the character and attributes of a person.

What is this maya, this grand design that governs our life on earth? How much is written in our destiny and how much free will do we have?

Are we really sent to earth with a particular plan, to learn certain lessons? There must be some grand design there because even just looking at the nakshatra, we get different attributes that correspond closely to the person under study.

Is it just another template for the various actors in this play of life-27 moulds and different permutations and combinations for the playwright to enact masterful symphonies with billions of parts available for aspirants.