People who commit suicide - are they considered weak/cowards? - Page 3

Originally posted by: ShantiAshtangi

People who commit suicide - are they considered weak/cowards?

Originally posted by: Angel-likeDevil

^Thanks Angie..for the encouraging words :) I'm recovering..will be a long journey.

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

"Are they considered weak" depends on who is considering them. It is subjective.

"Should they be considered weak" depends on what kind of a suicide we are talking about here.

If it is a murder-suicide where the person goes on a killing spree (Columbine high school massacre, Virginia Tech massacre, Sandy Hook elementary school shooting etc.), then it is an act of cowardice, in my opinion. If you have the "courage" to gun down innocent people, you should also have the courage to face judgment instead of killing yourself in a cowardly way.

If it is a suicide attack, then the act tends to fall in a grey area in that the motives of those killing themselves in these attacks are open to interpretation. Some of these suicide attackers do believe that they are advancing a cause. So those committing suicide in this fashion are either extremists/terrorists/cowards or martyrs/heroes/soldiers depending on whom you ask. It's all subjective.

If it is a suicide where no one but the person killing himself/herself is directly harmed, then we need to evaluate that act on a case-by-case basis.

Stereotypically, there is a "masculinity" factor associated with pain tolerance. The perception is that the more pain you can tolerate, the more masculine/strong you are. So, by committing suicide, you are announcing to the world that you are not strong enough to tolerate whatever pain is ailing you, ergo you are not strong, and ergo you are weak. Problem with this logic (other than the stereotyping of course) is, no one can quantify pain. Sure, a razor cut while shaving is not the same as getting shot in the kneecap in magnitude; a pain in the neck is not "equal" to a cluster headache. Still, there is no easy way to assess the severity and "quality" of pain a person is undergoing. Some of the pain could be emotional. Some of it could be physical. Some of it could be both. So how do we "advice" the person going through the pain to "grin and bear" it?

My "guidance" on this matter depends on answers to two questions -

- are you shirking your responsibilities by "taking the plunge"? If so, my advice would be "don't do it!". Sometimes we have to live for the others who are dependent on us and fulfil our responsibilities. That's just how it is. That's the respectable, honorable way of going about our life. So, accept the challenge; don't run away from it.

- have you paid your dues? Whether you realize it or not, people have emotionally / monetarily invested in you so did you make sure that you are not in "debt"? Here I am not talking about the loan shark kind of debt; I am referring to the investments your loved ones (if any) have made in you.

If you are truly unencumbered (understand what this really means, not just the dictionary definition) and you honestly feel that life is pointless after analyzing your situation, go for it. But do know that there are no take backs, no backsies (assuming the suicide does not result a failed attempt)

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

"Are they considered weak" depends on who is considering them. It is subjective.

"Should they be considered weak" depends on what kind of a suicide we are talking about here.

If it is a murder-suicide where the person goes on a killing spree (Columbine high school massacre, Virginia Tech massacre, Sandy Hook elementary school shooting etc.), then it is an act of cowardice, in my opinion. If you have the "courage" to gun down innocent people, you should also have the courage to face judgment instead of killing yourself in a cowardly way.

If it is a suicide attack, then the act tends to fall in a grey area in that the motives of those killing themselves in these attacks are open to interpretation. Some of these suicide attackers do believe that they are advancing a cause. So those committing suicide in this fashion are either extremists/terrorists/cowards or martyrs/heroes/soldiers depending on whom you ask. It's all subjective.

If it is a suicide where no one but the person killing himself/herself is directly harmed, then we need to evaluate that act on a case-by-case basis.

Stereotypically, there is a "masculinity" factor associated with pain tolerance. The perception is that the more pain you can tolerate, the more masculine/strong you are. So, by committing suicide, you are announcing to the world that you are not strong enough to tolerate whatever pain is ailing you, ergo you are not strong, and ergo you are weak. Problem with this logic (other than the stereotyping of course) is, no one can quantify pain. Sure, a razor cut while shaving is not the same as getting shot in the kneecap in magnitude; a pain in the neck is not "equal" to a cluster headache. Still, there is no easy way to assess the severity and "quality" of pain a person is undergoing. Some of the pain could be emotional. Some of it could be physical. Some of it could be both. So how do we "advice" the person going through the pain to "grin and bear" it?

My "guidance" on this matter depends on answers to two questions -

- are you shirking your responsibilities by "taking the plunge"? If so, my advice would be "don't do it!". Sometimes we have to live for the others who are dependent on us and fulfil our responsibilities. That's just how it is. That's the respectable, honorable way of going about our life. So, accept the challenge; don't run away from it.

- have you paid your dues? Whether you realize it or not, people have emotionally / monetarily invested in you so did you make sure that you are not in "debt"? Here I am not talking about the loan shark kind of debt; I am referring to the investments your loved ones (if any) have made in you.

If you are truly unencumbered (understand what this really means, not just the dictionary definition) and you honestly feel that life is pointless after analyzing your situation, go for it. But do know that there are no take backs, no backsies (assuming the suicide does not result a failed attempt)

Originally posted by: Angel-likeDevil

I used to be against suicide...but in the past couple of months, owing to the mental, physical, emotional torture inflicted by my failing health, I was so close to committing suicide umpteen number of times, i still dont know why I haven't done so or what stopped me. It was always there, the opportunity to commit suicide. Guess it was my parents' love. I now don't know what to say about suicide. I can now feel the agony that makes one feel suicidal.

Are they weak or coward? Cant say. The suicidal feeling IMO just cannot be struck down as 'an act of cowardice'.

Originally posted by: Rhino2close2car

They are too lazy to live 😆😆😆