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Posted: 10 years ago
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Recently there are news items in which it is said after India got independence, Jawaharlal Nehru set spies on the families of Netaji's nephews. Spies are set to watch the movements of the terrorists. But then Netaji was a great freedom fighter. Unfortunately Nehru believed Netaji would be a threat to his position as PM. Also there are reports in which it is said that Nehru and Mountbatten signed on a clause about India's independence in which it is said that Netaji being a war criminal if ever found would be handed over to British.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Well, Netaji was already being held captive in a Soviet gulag. Nehru probably knew about it.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Very interesting topic. I wonder how come Bhagat Singh and Khudiram Bose are considered as freedom fighters when people like Osama and the Pakistani terrorists are considered terrorists? This has no logic. It is for the same reason I feel Netaji's points were not that good where as Gandhi Ji said things which worked. It is not always power which works but there is something called the brain which is the most powerful weapon of man.
For me, I feel the violent freedom fighters are not actually freedom fighters but they are the ones whom I don't support at all. Storming of the Writer's building was not correct. Dandi March was. What good would killing of British officers do? It is not any good they did not the country but only their name would be remembered. Maybe for the wrong reason. If such freedom fighters can be called freedom fighters I don't think the Pakistani terrorists, the people of Darjeeling who want to be recognized as another state called Gorkhaland are no different than them. But since I consider the Pakistanis in Kashmir, Osama BIn terrorists, I would say Bhagat Singh,Khudiram Bose etc, are no different.
People who actually work for the good of the country are the real freedom fighters. People who fight for their country to bring about a change, and get power in their hands by not shooting people for no reason are the real freedom fighters and heroes.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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^^Are you serious? Its not just the methods of operation, but the legitimacy of the aim which matters. Khudiram and Bhagat Singh fought for an independent nation, while the likes of Osama and Kasab aim at creating a world which would decimate all other religions and cultures other than Islam and have Sharia rules to govern it. How can you even compare the two? 😕 Did you think twice before posting?

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Brishti, You can't compare Bhagat Singh and Osama/Kasab. India was being ruled by British who themselves accepted they were foreigners. People from England just came to rule India and then went back to England. They were interested in the welfare of Britain only and India then had foreign policy which favored Britain. That is a situation which calls for fight and protests and the cause for which Bhagat Singh fought was genuine and so Bhagat Singh is respected. How do you feel when you are ruled by foreigners? Indians felt like being treated like slaves when ruled by British and so any types of protests will come up.

On the other hand Kashmir has special status in India. Can those persons who are terrorists explain how Kashmir will become a better place if it becomes free from India? Kashmir has regular elections and the chief minister there is not someone who comes from outside. Kashmir MPs are also there in parliament and they also have the say. They become central ministers also. Did India have these previlege when ruled by British? Kashmir people are not treated as slaves. Kashmir in this state as on today because Kashmir people are confused and are not led in a proper way.

Even the fight Sheikh Mujib fought for freeing Bangladesh from Pak is genuine one because the voice of East Pakistanis was not considered important in Islamabad.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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a freedom fighter does not randomly target innocent civilians; a terrorist does. A freedom fighter has the aim of achieving political freedom for his/ her people and is willing to achieve that objective through peaceful means; a terrorist brings religion, hatred for other people into the mix and his primary means are by terrorizing and killing people.

if you use above criteria, you will find kashmiri separatists/ osama to be dirty terrorists. They went after civilians. The separatists plant bombs in random malls and chowks where civilians can also lose their lives... For osama, it was not even about freeing anyone from anything. It was simply to kick the 'infidels' out of KSA and other places. It was perceived slights primarily grounded on religion...

Another thing- terrorists hide. They do their deeds and crawl back into the medieval caves they came from.

contrast that with Bhagat Singh. His target was a police officer (there was collateral damage but that was unintended). He even gave himself up in order to promote the cause. Ever seen a filthy kashmiri separatist give himself up?
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Well the fine line becomes very evident when we consider the Ideology .. A freedom fighter will always have an ideology that will be timeless

A freedom fighter is fighting for independence of his country or asking for freedom of speech or language .. a terrorist is who is trying to impose their ideas making terror a tool

Yes Bhagat Sing, MastarDa Surya Sen and other revolutionists in India, why only in India, In Africa, China, and in other Asian countries has been tagged as terrorists once .. but it was terrorism against imperialism .. that itself says it's not terrorism but a battle for noble cause

Now what I consider a noble cause may not be a noble cause for you .. but the answer is in history .. after a time terrorism will remain terrorism, a terrorist remains terrorist only but Freedom fighters are recognized as freedom fighters

you said about avenging .. A freedom fighter don't avenge but do Justice .. It's not if you kill my men I will kill yours innocent men but if you kill mine I will kill you .. after Jaliwanabaag incident Hutum Singh went to England not to kill some innocent British people but to kill Dire only .. here is the difference

Killing is sometimes only way of justice .. but whom n why is important .. about Kasmir's terrorism .. it's a complicated matter as we know so less .. if they want Kashmir to be independent n fighting for this cause then it's not terrorism but if they start killing ordinary people for this reason their battle will be nothing but terrorism
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Brishti_Sarkar

Very interesting topic. I wonder how come Bhagat Singh and Khudiram Bose are considered as freedom fighters when people like Osama and the Pakistani terrorists are considered terrorists? This has no logic. It is for the same reason I feel Netaji's points were not that good where as Gandhi Ji said things which worked. It is not always power which works but there is something called the brain which is the most powerful weapon of man.
For me, I feel the violent freedom fighters are not actually freedom fighters but they are the ones whom I don't support at all. Storming of the Writer's building was not correct. Dandi March was. What good would killing of British officers do? It is not any good they did not the country but only their name would be remembered. Maybe for the wrong reason. If such freedom fighters can be called freedom fighters I don't think the Pakistani terrorists, the people of Darjeeling who want to be recognized as another state called Gorkhaland are no different than them. But since I consider the Pakistanis in Kashmir, Osama BIn terrorists, I would say Bhagat Singh,Khudiram Bose etc, are no different.
People who actually work for the good of the country are the real freedom fighters. People who fight for their country to bring about a change, and get power in their hands by not shooting people for no reason are the real freedom fighters and heroes.


Brishti if you have such thought sorry but I am reporting your post as blasphemy .. for me it is .. how the theory of Ahinsha or violence works or fails is another matter but calling Bhagat Singh, Netaji Subhas Bose or Khudiram Bose a terrorist you have not only insulted our heroes but hurt sentiment of many here .. Well I have strong feelings AGAINST gandhi n Neheru but that doesn't allow me to insult them on open forum .. Calling a freedom fighter who gave everything for the country a terrorist shows this country has lost last amount of respect & dignity .. I guess you should consider thinking before posting .. hence REPORTED
Edited by SayaneeH.Lecter - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Brishti_Sarkar

Very interesting topic. I wonder how come Bhagat Singh and Khudiram Bose are considered as freedom fighters when people like Osama and the Pakistani terrorists are considered terrorists? This has no logic. It is for the same reason I feel Netaji's points were not that good where as Gandhi Ji said things which worked. It is not always power which works but there is something called the brain which is the most powerful weapon of man.
For me, I feel the violent freedom fighters are not actually freedom fighters but they are the ones whom I don't support at all. Storming of the Writer's building was not correct. Dandi March was. What good would killing of British officers do? It is not any good they did not the country but only their name would be remembered. Maybe for the wrong reason. If such freedom fighters can be called freedom fighters I don't think the Pakistani terrorists, the people of Darjeeling who want to be recognized as another state called Gorkhaland are no different than them. But since I consider the Pakistanis in Kashmir, Osama BIn terrorists, I would say Bhagat Singh,Khudiram Bose etc, are no different.
People who actually work for the good of the country are the real freedom fighters. People who fight for their country to bring about a change, and get power in their hands by not shooting people for no reason are the real freedom fighters and heroes.

Bhagat Singh, Khudiram Bose and other Indian revolutionaries, didn't target normal civilians - whether Indian or European. They targeted those who were directly responsible for oppressing Indians - the high ranking officials by whose orders oppression used to happen. In any war there are casualties, but we don't say it is terrorism to kill the soldiers of the other side. They were fighting against foreign invaders and killed the soldiers and officers of those foreign invaders. Islamic terrorists killing civilians by entering another nation, how is that even comparable to the actions of the Indian freedom fighters?

As for Gandhiji being more appealing to the masses, it may not be due to righteousness of his actions, but can also be due to the ease and the apparent lack of severe repercussion compared to direct conflict, which made his methods popular. Most people are coward and are afraid of direct conflict even when they know the other side is pure evil, let's not sugar coat that cowardice as some kind of righteousness. Our forefathers were equally afraid to take up arms and engage in direct conflict with the British, which is why the meek passive resistance of Gandhiji appealed to them more. But even though it was popular, it was not very effective in ending the control of the British. If WW2 had not happened and if the Indian soldiers had not revolted because of the INA trials, Gandhiji would still have been sitting on his endless fasts and begging for independence. Gandhiji suspended the Quit India Movement, supported the Allied Forces during WW2 (a time when Britain was at its most vulnerable), so many Indian soldiers died in the war, and what did India gain? Nothing. The British even went back on its promise of granting India independence post completion of WW2 and Gandhiji couldn't do anything.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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freedom fighters seek attention and they do so without hurting innocent people.. they dont define collateral damage by default... Terrorists seek attention by killing innocent people and bringing it to the attention of the civil worlld which has to repond to those innocent deaths!!!!

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