If you have RAPED someone, do you deserve a second CHANCE?!

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Posted: 11 years ago

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@ Mr Maha2US ---How did 35% mean most of the women ? Shouldnt it mean that 65 % atleast were true cases? Cases not convicted could be due to several reasons such as intimidation, social discrimination, psychological trauma, long duration and expenses of legal battle ----

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Mahadevan Venkitaraman

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Return-to-hades, I have seen the marked difference between how the police in USA behaves with citizens and how police in India behaves with citizens. I do admire the behavior of police in USA. In USA, police tries to understand the person instead of just trying to 'vomit' power on a person which is what happens in India. And in USA, there is a reasonable amount of impartiality also.

Now coming to your questions. you say, 'With the deck still heavily stacked against women and the stigma against rape, I find it amusing that men make a hue and cry about a false case.' The way the deck is heavily stacked against women is not something, a normal law abiding male can control. And males are not machines who could accept false rape accusation. How is a male supposed to feel if a man is really respecting women and never intends any harm to a woman, but all on a sudden some woman for no reason at all, puts a (false) rape case against him? It is possible, he could also be stigmatized by the society. And it is possible his own neighbors could ridicule him. How does it help women who had really been raped? A definite truth is many true rape cases are unreported, but most of the cases reported are false which are being reported by greedy women. if this situation definitely helps empowerment of women, one could accept that. I don't believe, a law which encourages women to file false cases will empower women who are genuinely in need of help.

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Mahadevan Venkitaraman

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Mr:Zorro. Read the article carefully. One point one has to conclude from the article is only around 35-40% of the cases had been investigated by the police and among them most are found to be false. If all the cases are investigated impartially, most of them are going to be found only false.

You are giving all sorts of other reasons why the cases are being dismissed. When things become more and more clear, truths will come. All I hope is let the truths prevail. While the true rapists are to be punished, those who file false cases also are to be severely punished. That is all I look for from the justice system in India.

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charminggenie

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Posted: 11 years ago

#54

Originally posted by: maha2us
Mr:Zorro. Read the article carefully. One point one has to conclude from the article is only around 35-40% of the cases had been investigated by the police and among them most are found to be false. If all the cases are investigated impartially, most of them are going to be found only false.
You are giving all sorts of other reasons why the cases are being dismissed. When things become more and more clear, truths will come. All I hope is let the truths prevail. While the true rapists are to be punished, those who file false cases also are to be severely punished. That is all I look for from the justice system in India.

This is a very one-sided opinion and analysis.

@Bold - reeks of personal interpretations of data.

If we are looking at statistics , According to NCRB's(National Crime Research Bureau) own published data - in 2012, There were 24,915 victims (proven) of rape out of 24,923 reported rape cases in the country during the year 2012.

Again quoting NCRB , in India only 21% of the total molestation cases were reported in year 2013 out of which only 5 % were tried in courts owing to a large percentage withdrawing the case under external influences.

Out of 706 cases of rape reported , only 1 was convicted - according to PTI and NCRB figures, the reason mentioned were shabby policy investigation, prejudices on the part of the judges creep in, especially when the rape victim and the accused are known to each other, or when there is an absence of injuries or in cases of date rapes. Also the dated definition of rape usually tilts the verdict in the favor of the convict.But the biggest reason found is the social causes which makes the victim withdraw the cases fearing the court proceedings and the backlash. Now when the conviction or court trail percentage for crime against women is so low, where do tough laws or punishment get the blame.

In 2013, SC criticized Police and Indian law makers for low conviction percentage in India. Official data shows 11,154 rape cases ended in acquittal or discharge during 2012, while only 3,563 cases resulted in a conviction.

Another 86,032 cases were awaiting trial at the end of last year, according to the data from the NCRB. In it's critique , most of these cases are branded as false convictions when in reality the blame lies with police investigation and the loop-holes in the law itself for letting the convict escape through.

If you are, as you mention gunning for the truth, then let the matters be heard from both sides in Court. A guilty person would be handed over the severest punishment . How does having a tough punishment affect a supposedly innocent person, surely he would be acquitted and looking at the low conviction rate, the case would be dismissed at the FIR stage.

Strangely, the large number of false convictions are in murder and robbery cases, they form the largest under-trial population of India , yet that doesn't mean the punishment for the crimes should be done away with .

Your numbers or what I quoted all indicate that such matters need excellent police investigation and be dealt in a swift manner, the tone of punishment has no bearing here.

I am just too perturbed that you are worried about the tough laws rather than large number of cases awaiting trial, shouldn't that be a priority for everyone. Get them solved quickly and save the lives of the innocent one and perhaps in the due process stop the humiliation of the victim too? If the intent is to be understood here, then fast-track trials, conclusive police investigation is what that is going to aid you the most.

@Blue - The wrongly implicated individuals can file defamation cases , all provided by the Indian Law, this serves for every law being misused out there- including rape, murder, corporate affairs. If your worry is this , then toughening the rape laws won't help this endeavour in any way.

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373577

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Posted: 11 years ago

#55

Originally posted by: maha2us

If all the cases are investigated impartially, most of them are going to be found only false.

How many astrologers do we have on this forum 😲

There were quite a few on that other thread on Modi predicting aabki baar modi sarkaar & now here too!!!

Can anyone predict my grades please 😔

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later ;)

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Posted: 11 years ago

#56

In a country where little girls as young as 3 are not safe and where many rape cases go unreported because of the fear of social neglect,it is a shame that there are people out there who think most of them are fake..What do they think, women earn a reputation by bragging around that they've been raped?Just pure lack of common sense .That's it.

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373577

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Common sense goes for a toss when people see things through prejudiced blinkered glasses 😎

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AliceT

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: King-Anu
Punishment is given to

- give consolation to victim i.e. to make them feel that wrong doer did not escape and got punishment for a bad deed

- to protect people in future

Punishment is given NOT to give consolation to the victim rather to do Justice to the victim, to the women-folk, to the society.

If, a girl is raped and, the rapist gets punished this implies:

1. Our government is functioning properly.
2. Justice prevails
3. Law-breakers will be punished.
4. People are awake and they know how to raise their voice.
5. Fighting for Justice is the proper way - NOT to be silent

Silence perpetuates crime.

If the question is posed to the rapist he'll always say : Yes, he should be given a second chance.
Why?

Lack of conscience. Had he the awareness of Right and Wrong, he would have never committed such a crime.
Lack of thought process. If his brain was able to think properly he would have never committed such an act.
Lack of moral values.
Lack of ethics.
Lack of respect for Law and Govt.
Lack of the ability to control negative emotions (like lust, power dominating nature...)

If the same question is posed to the victim, her answer will always be that the rapist should be brutally punished, he should be hanged.
Why?

Seeing all the above mentioned answers, one can conclude that the rapist does not have lacks the ability to differentiate between wrong and right. So, how can such a person be allowed to move freely in the country? A person who has not an iota of control over himself and who tries to assert his power/control using rape.
Rape is not a small mistake made by someone - It's a CRIME which can NEVER be REDEEMED.
It's a crime which not only shakes the victim and her world but also shakes the women-folk, shakes the society, raises issues about safety in a FREE country.

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Schindler

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Posted: 11 years ago

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No you don't. And this question is borderline offensive - to some us its the same as asking "if you have killed someone do you deserve a second chance" 🤔

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Mahadevan Venkitaraman

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Posted: 11 years ago

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You can read this link and know more on what exactly is rape. Unfortunately this article is in Hindi. But the author has made good points and has provided a sensible point on what could be said as rape .

http://sattujatav.blogspot.in/2014/03/the-new-rape-law.html?m=1

Edited by maha2us - 11 years ago