Irrelevance of God? - Page 4

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

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A "creator" God is revered because of the power to create. God created the entire universe.

However, if you or I or some machine created an entire universe it would mean one of the few things

- You/Me/It is "God"

- There are multiple Gods

- God is irrelevant

Personally, I don't think God is irrelevant, but certain concepts of God become obsolete. We can always redefine and seek better truths.

Ah, the girls are here.

One reason I want a separate universe is to get away from all of you so I could have some solitude.

Just kidding :)

Vin.WIn., I just realized that if CMB is covering us from peeking outside, then the same should be applicable for any outside entity to peer into our universe, right? Wouldn't that "violate" the outside observer theory, unless this outside observer has some kind of a divya chakshu?

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

Ah, the girls are here.

One reason I want a separate universe is to get away from all of you so I could have some solitude.

Just kidding :)

@Ajnu

I think if anyone created a universe, then within it we would have the same old atheists, theists, agnostic and the multiple flavors of belief. Not everyone would revere him/her/it as God. There will always be those wondering how and why creation occurred. And it would also light up the debate " who created the creator?

I think if an entire universe can be created by someone like you or me; I'm not talking a virtual universe, but a real universe on par with our universe " then it would shake many notions we adhere to.

I think we're sounding too airheaded for Mister. K 😆

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

@Ajnu

I think if anyone created a universe, then within it we would have the same old atheists, theists, agnostic and the multiple flavors of belief. Not everyone would revere him/her/it as God. There will always be those wondering how and why creation occurred. And it would also light up the debate " who created the creator?

I think if an entire universe can be created by someone like you or me; I'm not talking a virtual universe, but a real universe on par with our universe " then it would shake many notions we adhere to.

I think we're sounding too airheaded for Mister. K 😆

Originally posted by: *Woh Ajnabee*

You don't think it would be different if the Creator was physically present and visible to the new population? How and why are legitimate questions, but wouldn't the question of existence and who is God be answered? Would there still be atheists then?

If it exists in nature and can be explained by natural processes, it wouldn't be considered God (supernatural)

If it can't be explained by natural processes, then too it wouldn't be considered miraculous. It would be treated as something that we don't know/understand yet (like say Dark energy) along the lines of "we will cross that bridge when we get there"

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

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Sounds like a plan, man! When do we begin work?I will get the scotch and club soda, you get the ice 😆

This is getting zanier by the minute, let me tell you that.

The only way to go "outside" is by building a Einstein-Rosen bridge (a.k.a. wormhole) and stabilizing it for passage through space-time. For this purpose, I don't think we can employ naturally occuring black holes, they may lead to "different albeit existing universes" so the bridge has to be home-grown in order for us to "plant" our simulated/created universe at the "other end" of the bridge.

OK, at this point, I won't even pretend that I made any sense. But, I guess, the more outlandish the idea, the better it's chances are to work for this type of a problem. Extraordinary problems require extraordinary solutions. So what if we sound like two crackpots?! 😆

Hahaha ...WTH ...😆 ..I can't believe it when you sound so confident that I can afford at least the ice ...But no hell ... ..If I could, I wouldnt be trying to create a Universe where the CREATOR as in me ll have a privilege to get such mundane things for free ...But yeah .. the drinks ll always be on THEE ...😆 as we keep on adding one feather of wacky success after another to our hat of insanity ... 😆

Alright let me get back to the business now ...But wait first tell me this ..don't you think I had ever talked about Einstein-Rosen bridge? ...I bet I did ... like in God's thread # 1 ...where I had talked about how Singularity mighta popped outta an Intra Universal pathway ...Seriously I wasn't floundering there to somehow get outta this Universe like a worm tries to move outta it's hole ..<<< just kidding ..😆

Okay...Let me now fetch your attention to a few things that I had emphasized upon in my post ...All of em marked in red here


A. We can engender a principally slowly expanding system to maintain the homogeneity of such creation ..choosing the particles at the post Inflation ( As in inflationary cosmology )


B. We can engender a principally slowly expanding system to maintain the homogeneity of such creation


C. .in a matrix that ll accelerate at a incremental rate ..But slowly


D. I guess breaching any one dimension should help us get that far ..right ? ..And it might be possible to breach the time dimension

^^^^^ See that ? ..Things that I have marked in bold ? ..They all indicate that I was trying to devise a model that doesn't depend on General relativity ...When I made a mention of ' Inflationary Cosmology' <<< I clearly meant the same ..We ain't going by the Big bang timeline..thus making the planck's time redundant for consideration ..The endeavor there was to prolong the time such a Universe might take to evolve ..To commence a slowed down process at the hydrogen atom fusion stage ...

And why ? Cause we understand that we can't hope to get lucky to hit the White hole pathway as we get sucked into the schwartzshield radius of a black hole ...Can we ? ...The hypothesis in the first place is theoretical and there is no guarantee that we won't be stuck permanently in the black hole's inner matrix ... ...We also know just how quickly such pathways collapse and even if we get lucky nuff to may our way inside one, the chances are it ll be annihilated before we get outta it's other end and turn into singularity ...A horrible state to be ? ..I bet ..😆 ..Then again you can't know which particle there belongs to which outer field ...It to me sounds like a partial collapse of wave functions of two different Universes inside one field giving rise to more ambiguity if anything ...



@ Blue: Right ...If we were to contemplate such means, we had another way to escape the event horizon of black holes with angular momentum ...The Hawking's radiation ? ...Just cling to that and get flung outta the black hole ...That sounds easier than finding the white hole regions ...right ? ..But the point would be lost anyways ..Cause that might land us in another black hole that might suck in such particles along with we as observers...which could be the part of a more massive Universe ?...And this is why I insisted that any such attempt to create a Universe that can breach the outer ridge of the current should be based on a Non Time Bound equation ..instead of trying to escape physical / illusory boundaries of the Universe where the uncertainty is the highest ...


@ Orange: Hahaha ..Why not ? ..😆 ..I'm game for it.. Let's create black holes and make everyone the Guinea pigs for our project ...Yeah ..😆


Vintu...😛

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

Ah, the girls are here.

One reason I want a separate universe is to get away from all of you so I could have some solitude.

Just kidding :)

Vin.WIn., I just realized that if CMB is covering us from peeking outside, then the same should be applicable for any outside entity to peer into our universe, right? Wouldn't that "violate" the outside observer theory, unless this outside observer has some kind of a divya chakshu?

Are you not considering the objects that are moving away from us, the observers @ > than C ? ...Remember the dark energy ? ... again if the Universe is inside a black hole the light that's been trapped inside of it must not escape it's outer rim right ?.. Thus making it impossible for the outside observer to take a sneak peek into it ? Don't you think ? ...😊 ..

Vintu ...😛

Originally posted by: Vintage.Wine

Are you not considering the objects that are moving away from us, the observers @ > than C ? ...Remember the dark energy ? ... again if the Universe is inside a black hole the light that's been trapped inside of it must not escape it's outer rim right ?.. Thus making it impossible for the outside observer to take a sneak peek into it ? Don't you think ?

So, the universal wave function never collapsed / collapses? Hmm...this raises more questions ...

But when did this discussion turn to science again? I was trying hard to keep the focus on technology, you luddite! :))

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

So, the universal wave function never collapsed / collapses? Hmm...this raises more questions ...

But when did this discussion turn to science again? I was trying hard to keep the focus on technology, you luddite! :))

@ Blue: Um ....No K ... I don't think so ...Okay let's Consider two huge black holes (Universes) merging. Now those observers that lie within the area of intersection must become overt...Still leaving massive areas ( And the objects therein ) from both the Universes undetectable, observable for the observers inside that matrix.

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^^^ Here ...Now doesn't that look like the collapse of a wavefunction of the entire system to that region ? ..Tell me ? ...

It should also explain the expansion of the Universe ( Consider helical vector ) and why there is so much ambiguity regarding the scope of the current one. Also the Plasma cover I was on about was the Big Bang's invisible plasma not CMBR ..There can be observers outside that can capture / observe the data prior to the recombination state with the propagated gravity waves which musta traveled much farther than that.. There could be stellar bodies that can get within our observable limit after elapse of certain time and a few might go poof forever ...Right ? ..

We just can't be academic and still hope to untangle the mystery ...Would ya not agree?...😆


Vintu ...😊