do u believe in theory of karma? - Page 5

Originally posted by: angie.4u

Modified assumption #2: A soul is pure and untouched by karma; but there are subtle energy fields called astral body and causal body that survives death of a physical body & carry impressions, grievances, attachments, memories ... developed during its several life times and are responsible for the unfolding of karma, which could be simply a dissipation of these energy field . Once these energy fields are worked off karma is balanced and we have only the pristine soul.

The assumption of 1:1 relationship between soul and human may not be required. The term soul has been used by some to describe individual entities and by others as a common soul or even the Source or life force.

Question arises: Can memory survive physical death and thereby affect future events?

Without memory surviving in some form subconscious or otherwise the whole concept of karma, re incarnation or even a final judgement day makes no sense whatsoever.

Originally posted by: angie.4u

The soul is supposed to be the consciousness or the seer . How does one proove its existence? Can the seer be seen?

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[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd03o2-dCKk&feature=related[/YOUTUBE]

Originally posted by: angie.4u

The soul is supposed to be the consciousness or the seer . How does one proove its existence? Can the seer be seen? Let us see what Mooji has to say has to say to this:

Originally posted by: Summer3

Mooji speaks well. The seer cannot be seen but experienced I guess. Seer is as visible as Love, but we could give the seer a form. We need a cup to drink the Amrit.

Originally posted by: Beyond_the_Veil

Haven't seen the video. But ain't it possible that consciousness is just a by-product of our complex neurological system? A soul's existence will be difficult to either prove or disprove as it doesn't have a physical existence.

Originally posted by: angie.4u

Modified assumption #2: A soul is pure and untouched by karma; but there are subtle energy fields called astral body and causal body that survives death of a physical body & carry impressions, grievances, attachments, memories ... developed during its several life times and are responsible for the unfolding of karma, which could be simply a dissipation of these energy field . Once these energy fields are worked off karma is balanced and we have only the pristine soul.

Originally posted by: K.Consciousness

You will never be able to reconcile the"first" cause in this fashion (as in what might have caused the baby to be born with the birth defects), if you randomly pick a time frame and start viewing things selectively.

Though pretty much what I say falls on deaf ears around here, I will give it a try.

If you think about it, so far, we don't fully understand the cause preceding life either. Neither the cause preceding space-time for that matter.

The "first what" is where you would get stumped any direction you turn to and any issue that you pick up. Was the first one a chicken or an egg? Was the first one a plant or a seed? Was the first one a Nucleic acid or protein? Was the first one a thought or language? Was the first one was a particle or an anti-particle? During your investigation, you would find out that there is no "right" point to pause on the time scale.

Why can't we resolve the "first what"? Because, we look at time as being linear and no matter what Einstein says or what quantum physics says, it's in our psyche to look at time as past, present and future. So, the first second will always have a preceding second for us and the beginning will always have another beginning and thus we will get stuck in an infinite regress.

Your baby-with-the-birth-defects conundrum will be answered if you look at time as a non-linear entity or better yet, if you dispense away with time completely. But if you successfully unravel time, I suppose you would unravel space too and then "kahe ka baby, kahe ka defects!"

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

Thats a good point. In these circumstances a person at least has "proof" of action. In karma it appears arbitrary.

I think the question of karma and any other cosmic justice beliefs stem from the following conundrum. A person is a rapist. Lets make him pure evil, he is a serial rapist. But he is never caught. Lives a nice comfortable life. Dies peacefully in sleep. Is mourned by family and friends. Is that fair or right? Doesn't he deserve punishment? Should a heinous criminal go free and unpunished like this?

One solution to this is karma. A person always accumulates karma and will be punished rewarded in the next life if not this. But the question arises - does that mean that a baby is no longer innocent and carries baggage, deserving of its deformities whatever? What is the purpose of a justice system where there is no consciousness of justice?[/quote]

Maybe the problem with this is caused by our need to have justice. We look at the world and we come up with a system of how things ought to be, and then project our sense of justice/right/wrong onto the universe, but maybe the universe is just a brutal, ruthless, cold-hearted son of a bitch, which has no regard for our moral values and our sense of justice. Maybe those rapists and pedophiles who get away never really do get their comeuppance, and once they die, that's it, this is very hard for us to digest cause it seems completely unfair that such moral monsters should get away their heinous crimes.

Maybe that's just how the universe is, rather than how it ought to be.

Originally posted by: CunningLinguist

i see what you're saying, but isn't it the case that according to traditional karma theory, the life we get is determined by our previous life, so a person born with a defect/disability is explained away as a result of previous bad karma, but why was it him rather than another?... question, if a different sperm had fertalised with an egg, would it result in a different person?