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People tend to have a problem with the education system in their country, with the Indian education system being particularly run down for the stress, competition and disenchantment with learning that it causes. Perhaps the focus on exams is what causes this.

"This house would abolish written exams in favour of more innovative learning methods such as discussions and practical activities."

What's your view, DMers?

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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: xobile

People tend to have a problem with the education system in their country, with the Indian education system being particularly run down for the stress, competition and disenchantment with learning that it causes. Perhaps the focus on exams is what causes this.

"This house would abolish written exams in favour of more innovative learning methods such as discussions and practical activities."

What's your view, DMers?

written exams train the person from childhood. They determine acquired knowledge on a particular subject based on the capability of person to person. Imagine if you need some one to work for you, you will for surely prefer the best person so how do you test. Now the written and verbal they both becoem vital. Abolish one method will only cripple the system.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Most exams are nothing more then a test of memory.Knowledge that is memorised and never applied or quickly forgotten the next day after the exams.
Unless the student is deeply interested in the subject not much sinks in and stays for good.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: Golden iron

written exams train the person from childhood. They determine acquired knowledge on a particular subject based on the capability of person to person. Imagine if you need some one to work for you, you will for surely prefer the best person so how do you test. Now the written and verbal they both becoem vital. Abolish one method will only cripple the system.




But what about the children's maansik santulan (mental balance) being crippled by the system?

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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: Golden iron

written exams train the person from childhood. They determine acquired knowledge on a particular subject based on the capability of person to person. Imagine if you need some one to work for you, you will for surely prefer the best person so how do you test. Now the written and verbal they both becoem vital. Abolish one method will only cripple the system.


Ok u have to build a house, and all u have learnt is theory on how to build a house. But ur real test is mixing the mortar n putting the bricks in place....How will u do it if u have never seen Cement n Bricks in real life???

Written exams are just a medium of gauging ur understanding of the subject. Written exams are just an easy way bcoz our teachers are just trying out to reduce their own work-load. Good professors who don't mind putting in an extra effort to impart good knowledge to their students always inculcate a huge portion of practical training in their course work.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: Summer3

Most exams are nothing more then a test of memory.Knowledge that is memorised and never applied or quickly forgotten the next day after the exams.

Unless the student is deeply interested in the subject not much sinks in and stays for good.




Maybe exams don't test how much you love, understand or delve into the subject.

They just test how good your revision skills are. 😆
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Good to see you here again Xo.

Personally, I hate exams. I never did well in them. I am a very hands on learner. Cramming a lot of information and spewing it out in one big test is something my tiny brain simply cannot handle. I also have a short attention span that means 15 minutes into studying or writing a test, my brain is darting in all sorts of crazy directions. That is why I wish there were no exams, but more creative hands on testing processes.

However, that being said you actually cannot do away with exams. Actually, the ideal learning model for optimum learning, development and testing is one teacher to every ten-fifteen students so the teacher can cater to various learning styles with maximum efficiency. Unfortunately, that is a pipe dream. Unless it is an elite private school even countries like USA tend to have twenty to thirty students a classroom. Universities have even more. In a densely populated country like India teachers often have a class of 80-120 students. Even in private schools the numbers range from 30-80.

Exams serve as the simplest, most efficient way to test students. It can be standardized and quantified to test each student at a more or less similar level. They are a benchmark to gauge learning and see which students are ahead of the scale and which students are lagging behind. Without these standard exams we would not know where each student stands as teachers have no way of correctly gauging each student.

Yes adaptive teaching and testing models that change based on students style are better – but it is next to impossible if not impossible itself. How do we train teachers on this? How do we quantify and compare students to see where exactly they stand? How do we make it fair and objective, and not subjective based on teacher/learner bias? Most importantly how do we get the time and investment needed to properly do each child justice in such a model.

I was lucky that my parents never let my exam performances effect me or put undue pressure on me. They recognized my strengths and weaknesses and were fair about it. Despite peer pressure and system pressure, they told me it was not a big deal and as long as I did my best it did not matter. I flunked some exams here or there, and yes they chewed me out over the laziness aspect of it. But they always instilled the confidence to go back and do better. Even during my SSC, I was allowed to go visit my cousins in Goa over winter break, I used my "study month" before the test to complete Duke Nukem 3D. They knew I was actually smart and would only get on my case over laziness. They knew what fields I wanted to pursue, what I needed to do for that, and what I was actually doing – they never pressured me to do something I was not simply for the elite factor attributed to it.

I was also very fortunate to have teachers also who never attributed me as 'dumb'. Of course there were a few teachers who did that, because of some atrocious exam scores, as well as those kids who always think they are smarter than everyone. However, a few teachers seemed to see that exams were not my forte; but I had smarts above and beyond the conventional classroom.

Our system does have problems and it is not the most efficient. Exams due put undue stress on students and can have disastrous consequences as exemplified in movies like 3 Idiots. They do not measure interest, aptitude or as Xo mentioned any passion for learning. It does not account for learning disabilities, common youth traits like short attention spans, easy irritability and loss of interest. It does not account that different people learn and express differently. However, exams and standardized tests are still the best way to test and gauge students and decide whether to move then up or down.

The blame cannot be placed 100% on the systems of exams though. For one parents at best have a one to five children on an average. They have plenty of time to recognize and understand their children. We need to reeducate parents to know that the system is not the know all and end all. They to have a role in a child's development. One's own child ought to be more than an exam score, a grade report or a statistical percentile. Parents are responsible to recognize that and be the support that helps them through the system not breaks them.

Secondly teachers as well as students ought to be made aware that exams are just the most efficient test, not the absolute perfect and only test of one's intellect. That at the end of the day no one is superior simply because they could cram and spew, and no one is dumb because they did not get something. Even if people within the system don't have the time or money to teach and test uniquely – every human has the time to treat each other as humans who are more than test scores.

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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: return_to_hades

Secondly teachers as well as students ought to ...



That was not secondly. That was tenthly. I counted.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: Mister.K.



That was not secondly. That was tenthly. I counted.



Originally posted by: return_to_hades

The blame cannot be placed 100% on the systems of exams though:


1 ) For one parents at best have a one to five children on an average. They have plenty of time to recognize and understand their children. We need to reeducate parents to know that the system is not the know all and end all. They to have a role in a child's development. One's own child ought to be more than an exam score, a grade report or a statistical percentile. Parents are responsible to recognize that and be the support that helps them through the system not breaks them.

2) Secondly teachers as well as students ought to be made aware that exams are just the most efficient test, not the absolute perfect and only test of one's intellect. That at the end of the day no one is superior simply because they could cram and spew, and no one is dumb because they did not get something. Even if people within the system don't have the time or money to teach and test uniquely ' every human has the time to treat each other as humans who are more than test scores.


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^^ that was not originally posted, originally posted. that was later posted, originally posted.

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