Biggest Crime and it's punishment - Page 12

Originally posted by: -JONAKI-

I think abortion should not be legal unless pregnancy is harmful for a woman's health.

Originally posted by: PhoeniXof_Hades

Making it illegal isn't going to solve anything in the long run. People will still go for it, except that now it will become even more dangerous given that people will go for illegal abortions, which can cost them their lives along with their unborn child[ren]. Many may even take suicide as an easy way out, if they happen to be single mothers, especially in places like India. Oh damn it, this wasn't supposed to be a debate on abortion.

Originally posted by: qwertyesque

Everybody has a perspective of what is more heinous.. whoch makes me thnk they are not really more or less heinous.. its just what perspective you align to...

The debate is about which is the worst crime not the worst trauma.. so your last para is kind of irrelevant.. though quite meaningful. but the Krazy troll is going to turn you over to FBI for criminal tendencies.. for not criticizing a crime like rape all the way..😆

Originally posted by: Mister.K.

This is the form which I am going to use to file my complaint: http://www.ic3.gov/complaint/default.aspx. This should be the form that other posters on these forums could use, if they were ever harassed by you (two) and/or possess messages that are soliciting in nature and/or witnessed you (two) promoting/abetting criminal activities.

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

I'm trying to be good and not steer this into the typical abortion debate. I know POH.

You have most certainly failed in your attempts at being good. 😆 It has been quite a while since we had our last abortion debate. As we have so many new member around, I don't think it will be a bad idea to have another one, in a new thread (though I can already sense most members rolling their eyes out 😆). Besides, there are a few things that we haven't touched upon before, like gender-based abortion.

This is a crime & punishment thread, so lets talk crime and punishment. If abortion should not be legal then abortion is then illegal. That means abortion is a crime. If someone commits a crime, there is a punishment.

I think having an abortion is more than enough punishment for most mothers (though I know many would disagree here). Though, if it is a crime, then there ought to be a legal punishment attached to it. What about countries where abortion is illegal? What happens when these incidences are exposed to the public (like with celebs)? I have never seen anyone being punished through a legal sentence - so why really make it a crime on the first place? Either punish the criminals or legalize the act. This seems like those show-off laws.

So when women get illegal abortions what should the charge and punishment be?
I am assuming murder, since that is the basis on which people say abortion should not be legal. So the punishment also should be like that of murder. Usually murder is charged based on degree. So I am guessing the degrees should be set by trimester of abortion. So would I be wrong in saying late term abortion means life sentence?

I don't think it is fair to label abortion as 'murder'. By definition, murder means ending a life of a person. Whether fetuses could be termed as living beings equivalent to us human beings or not is still debatable. As such, we cannot say it with conviction that abortion is murder.

Also who is the murderer and who is the accomplice? The woman or the doctor? What about spouses or family involved?

What about women who attempt to self abort and put their own lives in danger? Will they be held culpable for murder/suicide?

Its an interesting thought. I think many of us have an opinion on abortion being a crime or not, but not many have thought of what should be done if it was illegal and a crime. Most people also tend to focus on the doctor, ignoring that it is the mother choosing the abortion not a doctor forcing abortion.

If it is a crime, then all parties should be punished. I don't know what that punishment should be though. It's an extremely weird scenario where we have to punish a mother, father, family members for what they have done to their unborn child. 😕

And in most cases, we leave the father out, as if he is completely out of the picture.

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD97OVJ4PNw[/YOUTUBE]

Interesting! Did he (the reporter) intentionally choose people who don't support abortion? Either way, most seem to have no opinions in this issue and gave a black look when asked the question.

Originally posted by: -JONAKI-

Some has voted for "nothing".Are they human?They don't consider rape,murde,abortion as crime?

Originally posted by: PhoeniXof_Hades

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

Take it from a philosophical perspective. The biggest crime we do in our lives is nothing. That is when we see all sorts of wrong around us but choose to be mute spectators. When we could have done right, when we could have fixed things - but did nothing.