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Posted: 15 years ago

#151

Originally posted by: Believe

My interpretation is my thoughts...Am not saying am right...My point is in War nobody is going to be the winner, So what is the point of war? Why Krishna force arjun to do the war? Bcos there is going to be no winner...all are going to be the losers...😊

Believeji, I wonder if you read BG from the begining - Gita starts with the shloka: Dharmakchetre kurukchetre...

It is very important to understand the word Dharma from the get go.. As Mr K mentioned, MB was a war between Dharma and Adharma..albeit represented by humans on both sides.

The war was for the upholding of Dharma. Dharma was placed on a higher pedestel compared to human life.

Life happens again, but what is its use if the Dharma is not upheld

Morality depends on our definitions of right or wrong. Dharma is not concerned about our definitions of right or wrong.. This confuses people hell of a lot.

Arjuna for the first time learned from Krishna that his human belief concerning life and death was not based on the ultimate truth - being that a soul is immortal.

There is nothing wrong in defending yourself as your Dharma is also Atman Raksha - self protection.

Krishna is not asking Arjuna to kill innocent people but to fight for his existence.

The entire embodiment of Gita is captured in the shloka:

Yada yada hi dharmasya glanirbhavati bharata

Abhiyunarth madartheyam sambhavami yuge yuge (4..7)

Whenever there is decline of Dharma, and the rise of Adharma, I embody myself for the upholding of the Dharma.

We need to read and study scriptures in the right context and most importantly understand them well.

This verse is well known from the Upnishads - "Ahimsa Paramo Dharmah" - "Non-Violence is the greatest Dharma." and the next line reads - "Dharma Himsaa Taathaiva Cha." - " So too is all righteuos violence."

Krishna is not asking us to accept everything as gods will and do nothing. He actually asked Arjuna to become a rebel.!

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Posted: 15 years ago

#152

Originally posted by: my_view
ok maybe .. so is this some kind of test then? inquiring minds wanna know. 😲

Matter of fact, I am placing Summer on the line too, after reading Vinu's "vishleshan" of Bhagavad Gita and then reading Summer's defense of that "vishleshan".

Krishna didn't even spare Bhishma because Bhishma defended the Kauravas. You get my drift there.

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Posted: 15 years ago

#153

Originally posted by: Mister.K.

Matter of fact, I am placing Summer on the line too, after reading Vinu's "vishleshan" of Bhagavad Gita and then reading Summer's defense of that "vishleshan".

Krishna didn't even spare Bhishma because Bhishma defended the Kauravas. You get my drift there.

Yes God enacted the Ramayana n Mahabharata with a lesson behind it. But these days God has stopped enacting such dramas due to the fact that there are too many evil persons around but still He does send some good souls to guide mankind. Grandsire Bhisma's mind had been clouded living in the wrong company n he had to pay the price. The story of Eklavya is most inspiring. There were so many great heroes those days.

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Posted: 15 years ago

#154

Originally posted by: my_view
Believeji, I wonder if you read BG from the begining - Gita starts with the shloka: Dharmakchetre kurukchetre...

It is very important to understand the word Dharma from the get go.. As Mr K mentioned, MB was a war between Dharma and Adharma..albeit represented by humans on both sides.
The war was for the upholding of Dharma. Dharma was placed on a higher pedestel compared to human life.

Life happens again, but what is its use if the Dharma is not upheld

Morality depends on our definitions of right or wrong. Dharma is not concerned about our definitions of right or wrong.. This confuses people hell of a lot.

Arjuna for the first time learned from Krishna that his human belief concerning life and death was not based on the ultimate truth - being that a soul is immortal.

There is nothing wrong in defending yourself as your Dharma is also Atman Raksha - self protection.

Krishna is not asking Arjuna to kill innocent people but to fight for his existence.

The entire embodiment of Gita is captured in the shloka:

Yada yada hi dharmasya glanirbhavati bharata
Abhiyunarth madartheyam sambhavami yuge yuge (4..7)

Whenever there is decline of Dharma, and the rise of Adharma, I embody myself for the upholding of the Dharma.

We need to read and study scriptures in the right context and most importantly understand them well. ...each time if you study ...you get different dimensions..and different meaning..if you think same direction u only understand only one meaning...if you start think different ways you get different good meanings..

This verse is well known from the Upnishads - "Ahimsa Paramo Dharmah" - "Non-Violence is the greatest Dharma." and the next line reads - "Dharma Himsaa Taathaiva Cha." - " So too is all righteuos violence."

Krishna is not asking us to accept everything as gods will and do nothing. He actually asked Arjuna to become a rebel.!

Becouse for this differnt thoughts...I feel Krishna is the greatest rebel or multi faceted spelendour at that period, the greatest revolutionary, the world of religion has seen... It is amazing when you read his Gita. He gives new meanings to every word he uses there! I think Krishna was only man who accepted the war in positive sense..give new meaning for Dharma and adharma.....😊

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Summer3

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Posted: 15 years ago

#155

Vinu ji how are you doing . You are on leave today so you must be having a fantastic time.

Yes Sri Krishna was singing during the battle. But the verses of the Gita when sung sounds most lovely. I heard a Swamiji Damodara from RKM sing it when I was young.

Sri Krishna told Arjuna that these people have already been killed by me, but you go ahead and gain the glory.

The Bhagavat Gita is quite close to the Uddhava Gita.

Sri Krishna had a lot of charm and poise and it was very easy to love him when anyone saw him.

Sri Krishna did not object to take up a lowly position of being Arjuna's charioteer and Arjuna hated having to place his foot on Sri Krishna head in order to guide the chariot;; the heavy boots cut Sri Krishna's forehead and it bled. End of each day after the fight, Arjuna used to be very remorseful.

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Posted: 15 years ago

#156

Originally posted by: my_view
The entire embodiment of Gita is captured in the shloka:

Yada yada hi dharmasya glanirbhavati bharata
Abhiyunarth madartheyam sambhavami yuge yuge (4..7)

Whenever there is decline of Dharma, and the rise of Adharma, I embody myself for the upholding of the Dharma.

Originally posted by: Summer3
Yes God enacted the Ramayana n Mahabharata with a lesson behind it. But these days God has stopped enacting such dramas due to the fact that there are too many evil persons aroundbut still He does send some good souls to guide mankind. .

Ref .Highlighted in red- either there is no decline in dharma at present or "God" has already embodied into our world !?

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Posted: 15 years ago

#157

Originally posted by: Believe

.....I think Krishna was only man who accepted the war in positive sense..give new meaning for Dharma and adharma.....😊

What!!! Krishna was the only man in Pandav's camp who tried his level best to avoid this war. He was never in the favor of war to begin with. And he definitely did not give any new meanings to dharma or adharma throughout Mahabharat.

One needs to have a basic knowledge of MB to understand where Krishna is coming from in some of the verses in Gita.

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Posted: 15 years ago

#158

Originally posted by: Summer3
Sri Krishna did not object to take up a lowly position of being Arjuna's charioteer and Arjuna hated having to place his foot on Sri Krishna head in order to guide the chariot;; the heavy boots cut Sri Krishna's forehead and it bled. End of each day after the fight, Arjuna used to be very remorseful

I am flabbergasted!

Edited by Mister.K. - 15 years ago

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return_to_hades

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Posted: 15 years ago

#159

Originally posted by: Summer3

Yes God enacted the Ramayana n Mahabharata with a lesson behind it. But these days God has stopped enacting such dramas due to the fact that there are too many evil persons around but still He does send some good souls to guide mankind. Grandsire Bhisma's mind had been clouded living in the wrong company n he had to pay the price. The story of Eklavya is most inspiring. There were so many great heroes those days.

Yada yada hi dharmasya glanir bhavati Bharata; Abhyutthanam adharmasya tadatmanam srijamyaham. Paritranaya sadhunam vinasaya cha dushkritam; Dharma-samthapanarthaya sambhavami yuge yuge

Whenever, adharma creates imbalance on hearth, the powers that be shall manifest to bring balance back to the force. The Mahabharata and the Ramayana were the occurrences of their times. The world is a stage and the force is always acting towards harmony, and someday our yuga will have its own tale.

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return_to_hades

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Posted: 15 years ago

#160

Originally posted by: angie.4u

Ref .Highlighted in red- either there is no decline in dharma at present or "God" has already embodied into our world !?

Maybe we are indeed hurtling towards 2012. Perhaps 2012 is the end of the world as we know it, and that will be the day either the next avatar or the next anti-Christ reveals itself. According to some it might just be Obama for his uncanny resemblance to Nicolae Carpathia.

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